There is no White privilege. Prove otherwise

[Hodad]

49 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I would say 'we' have a tenuous connection to 'our' past, however the story of Canada needs to be something that all of us own, good or bad.  Our current circumstances doubtlessly inherit from past events and we need to address that - the good with the bad.

 

Right. Same thing in the US. It's like people cannot bear to dispense with the fairy tales about our history and accept the past as fact. There is a legacy of cruelty and brutality wrapped up in this whole experiment. A long history of failures to live up to even basic decency, let alone the lofty ideals enshrined in the declaration of independence. 

Rather than learning from the past and vowing to do better, there's a big chunk of the population that simply wants to pretend that it didn't happen and that even if it did happen, everything today is magically hunky dory. Water under the bridge! 

[reason10]

16 hours ago, Rebound said:

There are many Asians living in poverty in the United States.  But you’re certainly right, the reason why successful Asians are successful is not institutional racism.  
 

But I’ve never been arrested by a cop for picking up trash in front of my house.

For those rolling their eyes at such a ridiculous claim, I have to admit that it to me seemed really far fetched. But it actually happened, in California, the most RACIST state in America.

https://people.com/crime/video-shows-lapd-arrest-black-man-racial-profiling-lawyer/

There was another incident, in the racist blue state of Colorado.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/officer-quits-after-confronting-black-man-picking-up-trash

 

Yes, blacks were arrested for picking up trash. I agree, that's racist. And it happens in racist BLUE STATES.

[Hodad]

3 minutes ago, reason10 said:

The thread asks what LAW on the books specifically gives more rights to whites than blacks. I cited the US Code, (which the federal version of the Statutes. That's an easy question. So far, the real trolls here (the brain dead WOKE crowd) have done nothing but try to change the subject.

Yes, because it's another stupid thread started by a person who has no idea what white privilege is. 

[reason10]

16 hours ago, ironstone said:

Nobody on the left has an answer as to why Asians do better than everyone else in many respects. Just silence and a blank stare.

So I'll ask again, why are Asians doing better than whites economically? Hint, it's not institutional racism.

Asians have a more cohesive family structure. Poor white trash and 70 percent of all black children born today are in single parent homes. I don't blame the race. I blame the policies that broke up the families.

And those were (and still are) DEMOCRAT policies.

[Rebound]

6 minutes ago, reason10 said:

The thread asks what LAW on the books specifically gives more rights to whites than blacks. I cited the US Code, (which the federal version of the Statutes. That's an easy question. So far, the real trolls here (the brain dead WOKE crowd) have done nothing but try to change the subject.

If laws do not protect minorities, then their abuse is permitted.  

[reason10]

1 minute ago, Hodad said:

Yes, because it's another stupid thread started by a person who has no idea what white privilege is. 

Actually, most of educated American agrees that there is no such thing as white privilege. I merely ASKED what law on the books existed, which would institutionalize white privilege. So far, the nose picking droolers have attempted to change the subject, and no one has been able to answer that question. It's either (a) there are NO discriminatory laws on the books of the US Code, or (b) you're too stupid and lazy to look them up.)

Basically,  my whiteness had NOTHING to do with anyone else's misery, whether that  person is black, white or Asian. Thinking otherwise is just really ignorant.

[Rebound]

5 minutes ago, reason10 said:

For those rolling their eyes at such a ridiculous claim, I have to admit that it to me seemed really far fetched. But it actually happened, in California, the most RACIST state in America.

https://people.com/crime/video-shows-lapd-arrest-black-man-racial-profiling-lawyer/

There was another incident, in the racist blue state of Colorado.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/officer-quits-after-confronting-black-man-picking-up-trash

 

Yes, blacks were arrested for picking up trash. I agree, that's racist. And it happens in racist BLUE STATES.

If you weren’t such a ldiit, you’d know that “red” states aren’t 100% red and blue states aren’t 100% blue. 

[reason10]

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

If laws do not protect minorities, then their abuse is permitted.  

In other words, you're trying to change the subject. And apparently you never read the Constitution.

The thread is not asking about laws protecting minorities. The thread asks if there is ANY law that gives whites an advantage over blacks. So far, no one has answered that, probably because no such law exists.

Yes, there used to be such laws on the books, and racist Democrats wrote them. The laws were the Jim Crow laws.

Jim Crow was overturned in the Sixties.

[reason10]

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

If you weren’t such a ldiit, you’d know that “red” states aren’t 100% red and blue states aren’t 100% blue. 

Is it possible that you are mentally incapable of focusing on a single subject at a time?

I cited TWO instances where black people were arrested for picking up and dumping trash. Those were BLUE states.

Try to keep up with the class, son. The other kids are starting to  look at you funny.

[Rebound]

12 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Actually, most of educated American agrees that there is no such thing as white privilege. I merely ASKED what law on the books existed, which would institutionalize white privilege. So far, the nose picking droolers have attempted to change the subject, and no one has been able to answer that question. It's either (a) there are NO discriminatory laws on the books of the US Code, or (b) you're too stupid and lazy to look them up.)

Basically,  my whiteness had NOTHING to do with anyone else's misery, whether that  person is black, white or Asian. Thinking otherwise is just really ignorant.

Prove that California is the most racist state in America. 

[ironstone]

9 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Yes, because it's another stupid thread started by a person who has no idea what white privilege is. 

So are you admitting there is not a single law in the US that gives whites any kind of advantage over blacks?

Are you going to stick with the "institutional racism" schtick?  What jobs are available to whites but not blacks?

I will concede that giving one race preference over another when it comes to hiring is racist. Are you aware of just how many levels of government are in fact giving preferential treatment to non-whites instead of simply hiring the best available candidate? It would be wrong if a white person gets hired only because he or she is white, but that should apply to all races.

[ironstone]

3 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Prove that California is the most racist state in America. 

California, like every other place on the planet, is not perfect and has its own skeletons in the closet.

Don't be too smug, California: The state has its own shameful history of racism and bigotry - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

I wouldn't call California the most racist state in America but how about the most woke state? Woke ideology is quite racist in its own right.

[reason10]

7 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Prove that California is the most racist state in America. 

The most incompetent governor of all was facing a recall election. The ONLY reason he is still in office is because his recall opponent was black.

Elder was a MILLION TIMES more competent than Newsome, but Californians only saw race.

California is the ONLY state where school boards consider certain kinds of math to be racist.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jun/6/is-mathematics-racist-california-could-blaze-pathw/

[reason10]

Boys and girls, IRONSTONE said it best:

 

WHAT JOBS ARE AVAILABLE TO WHITES BUT NOT BLACKS, BASED ON COLOR?

Name the job, the institution and the state it originates from.

 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

I think it's totally misguided to place blame for slavery and Jim Crow on white people, particularly when the vast majority of said people were not alive during the Jim Crow era and bear no responsibility for it. White people today are also not responsible for slavery. I should also point out to you that on the flip side, most blacks have not experienced Jim Crow firsthand and none have experienced slavery.

You want to hold todays white population responsible for slavery that occurred many generations ago, but if you follow that kind of logic should you not be pointing the finger at the Democrat party?

If you watch the link above, you will learn that blacks were not the only people that were enslaved. Not by a long shot.

Read what I wrote again. The US government SANCTIONED slavery and Jim Crow; the SAME US government which still exists TODAY. Of course the US government WAS dominated and controlled by white men, but those white people are dead. Aside from Native Americans whose land was STOLEN, no other population suffered the level and length of injustice in America as the black slaves. 

[robosmith]

50 minutes ago, reason10 said:

So you are being a racist saying that Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas didn't earn his position? He is the smartest member of that court today. It wasn't affirmative action that put him there. He wasn't nominated because of his color and only a racist would say otherwise.

Just because YOU BELIEVE the bolded, does not make it true.

[robosmith]

47 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Probably the fact that AFTER the Democrat Party lost the Civil War, freed blacks began forming families. That family unit was intact until the racist Johnson Administration destroyed it.

The Confederate South which started the Civil War, was not JUST "the Democrat Party." Stop lying.

[robosmith]

42 minutes ago, reason10 said:

For those rolling their eyes at such a ridiculous claim, I have to admit that it to me seemed really far fetched. But it actually happened, in California, the most RACIST state in America.

https://people.com/crime/video-shows-lapd-arrest-black-man-racial-profiling-lawyer/

There was another incident, in the racist blue state of Colorado.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/officer-quits-after-confronting-black-man-picking-up-trash

 

Yes, blacks were arrested for picking up trash. I agree, that's racist. And it happens in racist BLUE STATES.

You're delusional if you believe that those TWO INSTANCES characterize their ENTIRE STATE.

[ironstone]

4 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Read what I wrote again. The US government SANCTIONED slavery and Jim Crow; the SAME US government which still exists TODAY. Of course the US government WAS dominated and controlled by white men, but those white people are dead. Aside from Native Americans whose land was STOLEN, no other population suffered the level and length of injustice in America as the black slaves. 

To be more accurate, it should be pointed out that the government that did sanction slavery back then was made up of Democrats. The Republican party fought against it.

Jim Crow? Wasn't that primarily from Democrats?

Democrats & Jim Crow: A Century of Racist History the Democratic Party Prefers You'd Forget | The Libertarian Institute

Human history is filled with countless examples of mans inhumanity against his fellow man but we can't change the past. I feel no personal guilt about slavery or genocides that have occurred. Shocked by it? Yes of course, but I'm not responsible for any of it.

Native Americans were treated badly by the white man but it wasn't exactly all peace and harmony among those tribes before the arrival of the white people. Natives often were slaughtering among themselves, just like other societies throughout the world.

 

 

[robosmith]

6 minutes ago, ironstone said:

To be more accurate, it should be pointed out that the government that did sanction slavery back then was made up of Democrats. The Republican party fought against it.

Jim Crow? Wasn't that primarily from Democrats?

Democrats & Jim Crow: A Century of Racist History the Democratic Party Prefers You'd Forget | The Libertarian Institute

Human history is filled with countless examples of mans inhumanity against his fellow man but we can't change the past. I feel no personal guilt about slavery or genocides that have occurred. Shocked by it? Yes of course, but I'm not responsible for any of it.

Native Americans were treated badly by the white man but it wasn't exactly all peace and harmony among those tribes before the arrival of the white people. Natives often were slaughtering among themselves, just like other societies throughout the world.

 

 

Political Parties do not exercise official government power, that is only done by elected OFFICERS of the government.

[Rebound]

16 minutes ago, ironstone said:

To be more accurate, it should be pointed out that the government that did sanction slavery back then was made up of Democrats. The Republican party fought against it.

Jim Crow? Wasn't that primarily from Democrats?

Democrats & Jim Crow: A Century of Racist History the Democratic Party Prefers You'd Forget | The Libertarian Institute

Human history is filled with countless examples of mans inhumanity against his fellow man but we can't change the past. I feel no personal guilt about slavery or genocides that have occurred. Shocked by it? Yes of course, but I'm not responsible for any of it.

Native Americans were treated badly by the white man but it wasn't exactly all peace and harmony among those tribes before the arrival of the white people. Natives often were slaughtering among themselves, just like other societies throughout the world.

 

 

The political parties have realigned substantially since 1860, particularly following passage of the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts. The South went from solid Democrat to Solid Republican. It most definitely was not because Southerners suddenly became enamored with Civil Rights laws. 

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

So are you admitting there is not a single law in the US that gives whites any kind of advantage over blacks?

Are you going to stick with the "institutional racism" schtick?  What jobs are available to whites but not blacks?

I will concede that giving one race preference over another when it comes to hiring is racist. Are you aware of just how many levels of government are in fact giving preferential treatment to non-whites instead of simply hiring the best available candidate? It would be wrong if a white person gets hired only because he or she is white, but that should apply to all races.

There is nothing to "admit." The laws have nothing to do with the concept of white privilege, which is a social construct rather than a legal one. This thread is just as silly as someone claiming that racism ended with the equal rights act. OP clearly has no idea what white privilege is, and it's become clear that you don't either. There's another thread already so I don't feel compelled to retread that definition again.

And yes, systemic racism has shaped our entire society from the ground up. There are people all across the country today living in houses deeded with racial covenants. (Most famous as a topic in A Raisin in the Sun.) And even after they were not legally enforceable they were enforced socially. Imagine that your parents-or you if you're old enough, were deliberately and systematically excluded from good jobs, good neighborhoods and good schools. No problem? You're in the exact same position today? Like someone waved a wand in 1968 and suddenly your playing field was untilted? Nonsense.

20 years ago, a resume with a distinctively Black name was 50% less likely to land an interview than the EXACT SAME resume with a conventionally white name at the top. Today it's down to 10% less likely. Good for us, I guess? But sure, systemic racism doesn't exist. Or Blacks being more likely to be arrested, more likely to be convicted and more likely to be given longer sentences than their counterparts. Sure, nothing to see there. And on and on. You have to have your head buried DEEP in the sand (or elsewhere) to be oblivious to the mountains of well-documented evidence confirming systemic racism. Like, it's not even a question. I can't believe this is a conversation.

 

[ironstone]

23 hours ago, Rebound said:

Institutionalized racism exists when laws don’t protect people against racism. 
 

 

 

You posted a lot of videos of black/ police interactions so you're implying that this happens primarily with black people. On YouTube there are lots of auditing style channels which show interactions with people( many of whom happen to be white) and law enforcement. Often in these videos the cops overstep their authority and sometimes they act entirely appropriately. I wouldn't characterize these inappropriate interactions as institutional racism, more like some cops (not all) being on an ego trip.

[ironstone]

6 minutes ago, Hodad said:

There is nothing to "admit." The laws have nothing to do with the concept of white privilege, which is a social construct rather than a legal one. This thread is just as silly as someone claiming that racism ended with the equal rights act. OP clearly has no idea what white privilege is, and it's become clear that you don't either. There's another thread already so I don't feel compelled to retread that definition again.

And yes, systemic racism has shaped our entire society from the ground up. There are people all across the country today living in houses deeded with racial covenants. (Most famous as a topic in A Raisin in the Sun.) And even after they were not legally enforceable they were enforced socially. Imagine that your parents-or you if you're old enough, were deliberately and systematically excluded from good jobs, good neighborhoods and good schools. No problem? You're in the exact same position today? Like someone waved a wand in 1968 and suddenly your playing field was untilted? Nonsense.

20 years ago, a resume with a distinctively Black name was 50% less likely to land an interview than the EXACT SAME resume with a conventionally white name at the top. Today it's down to 10% less likely. Good for us, I guess? But sure, systemic racism doesn't exist. Or Blacks being more likely to be arrested, more likely to be convicted and more likely to be given longer sentences than their counterparts. Sure, nothing to see there. And on and on. You have to have your head buried DEEP in the sand (or elsewhere) to be oblivious to the mountains of well-documented evidence confirming systemic racism. Like, it's not even a question. I can't believe this is a conversation.

 

To your last paragraph, about blacks more likely to be arrested. Blacks do commit a disproportionate amount of crime so that's why they tend to have more interactions with police. I bet whites commit more crimes proportionately than Asians too.

Black vs. White Crime Statistics Updated December 2022 - Why White Privilege Isn't The Problem (whiteprivilegeisntreal.org)

Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008 (ojp.gov)

And to top things off, even if systemic racism were real, you offer no sensible solution. Giving preference to one race over others does not help in any way to foster any kind of racial harmony. The process for hiring or for loans should be entirely colour blind and only based on merit.

[Rebound]

3 hours ago, reason10 said:

Actually, most of educated American agrees that there is no such thing as white privilege. I merely ASKED what law on the books existed, which would institutionalize white privilege. So far, the nose picking droolers have attempted to change the subject, and no one has been able to answer that question. It's either (a) there are NO discriminatory laws on the books of the US Code, or (b) you're too stupid and lazy to look them up.)

Basically,  my whiteness had NOTHING to do with anyone else's misery, whether that  person is black, white or Asian. Thinking otherwise is just really ignorant.

What is the basis of your claim? Did you personally survey these people? Or is your definition of an “educated” person “somebody who doesn’t think white privilege exists”?