There is no White privilege. Prove otherwise

[Hodad]

5 minutes ago, ironstone said:

To your last paragraph, about blacks more likely to be arrested. Blacks do commit a disproportionate amount of crime so that's why they tend to have more interactions with police. I bet whites commit more crimes proportionately than Asians too.

Black vs. White Crime Statistics Updated December 2022 - Why White Privilege Isn't The Problem (whiteprivilegeisntreal.org)

That's some powerfully circular logic, lol.  Also, you can't be serious with that source.

Should go without saying, but all of that arrest, conviction and sentencing is disproportionate even when controlling for variables. This is not new or controversial. Common knowledge, dozens-- maybe hundreds-- of studies over the last 50 years.

But just to streamline it for you, look at sentencing alone. An analysis found black men’s sentences are 19.1 percent longer than white men’s, even after controlling for criminal history and other factors.

Again, there are TONS of studies on this subject and they all find the exact same thing: justice is not blind. Hell, some of the discrimination is plainly built in, with higher mandatory minimums for crack cocaine than powdered cocaine. 

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Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008 (ojp.gov)

And to top things off, even if systemic racism were real, you offer no sensible solution. Giving preference to one race over others does not help in any way to foster any kind of racial harmony. The process for hiring or for loans should be entirely colour blind and only based on merit.A

Well, the solution is pretty obvious, no? If discrimination retarded the progress of generations by deliberately excluding people from good jobs, neighborhoods and schools we can reverse some of the disparity by deliberately including those affected in good jobs, neighborhoods and schools. 

Forever and ever, including through today, whites have had the advantage of the benefit of the doubt--to the detriment of others. That's something we can change.

[reason10]

24 minutes ago, Rebound said:

What is the basis of your claim? Did you personally survey these people? Or is your definition of an “educated” person “somebody who doesn’t think white privilege exists”?

Even with the illegally elected president and the left wing Congress, there has be ZERO attempts or even discussions of slave reparations in any legislation. I don't look at individual polling so much as a barometer of public opinion because most polls only call Democrats. You wanna find what a country REALLY thinks is important, watch what makes its way through Congress and is signed into law.

(Is it just my imagination, or are you goose steppers REALLY ignorant of this concept of laws and legislation. I originally asked for a LAW and you rodents have acted like there is no such thing.)

And we can't say that the idea of legislative reparations are totally out of the question because the racist left wing state of California is about to pass them.

https://nypost.com/2022/12/02/california-panel-estimates-569-billion-in-reparations-is-owed-to-black-residents/

 

[reason10]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

Read what I wrote again. The US government SANCTIONED slavery and Jim Crow; the SAME US government which still exists TODAY. Of course the US government WAS dominated and controlled by white men, but those white people are dead. Aside from Native Americans whose land was STOLEN, no other population suffered the level and length of injustice in America as the black slaves. 

Excuse me, but the very government that created and legislated the Jim Crow laws HAS BEEN DEAD FOR OVER A CENTURY.

Earth to child:

EVERY SLAVE IS DEAD.

EVERY SLAVE TRADER IS DEAD.

The victims and the perpetrators are both DEAD.

NOBODY alive today bears any responsibility for what happened back then.

And all you have to do to prove otherwise is FIND THE LAW IN THE U.S. CODE that gives white people an advantage over black people.

Find the law or admit you are wrong and do not know what you are talking about.

[I am Groot]

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

Some people who are the beneficiaries of an unfair situation simply lack the empathy and integrity to acknowledge the unfairness, let alone the courage to mitigate unfairness in service of justice.

You have failed to demonstrate any unfairness. Certainly, you've failed to demonstrate that this 'unfairness' is responsible for poor black economic performance as compared to superior asian economic performance. The reason for that is that Asians get married, their kids are raised in two-parent families, and those parents place heavy emphasis on their children's' schooling. Black kids are mostly raised in single parent families with absentee fathers. 

You'll no-doubt say that's the fault of white society but as per Thomas Sowell discussed earlier the Black family unit was intact through to the civil rights era, and violence and crime was low in the black community. What happened then? You can't blame slavery. 

Societies differ in every way based on their cultures, behaviour and characteristics. You cannot expect them to perform similarly in every category. Ascribing lower performance to some kind of unfairness without even being able to point at it is a pointless (pardon the pun) exercise. 

Lastly, pretending you're somehow more courageous or have more empathy, that those you disagree with lack integrity for disagreeing with a baseless theory is just so bloody typical of the progressive left. Every discussion with you guys ultimately revolves around how noble you are and how nasty those who disagree with you are. It's tiresome and stupid.

[I am Groot]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Of course there is.  We put Asian people in camps in the 20th century.  The logic seems to be "if people do well financially then racism doesn't exist"

No one has made that argument. No one has even suggested it. You are simply making it up.

Edited December 15, 2022 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

4 hours ago, reason10 said:

So you are being a racist saying that Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas didn't earn his position? He is the smartest member of that court today

That's a pretty low bar to surpass.

[Rebound]

13 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Excuse me, but the very government that created and legislated the Jim Crow laws HAS BEEN DEAD FOR OVER A CENTURY.

Earth to child:

EVERY SLAVE IS DEAD.

EVERY SLAVE TRADER IS DEAD.

The victims and the perpetrators are both DEAD.

NOBODY alive today bears any responsibility for what happened back then.

And all you have to do to prove otherwise is FIND THE LAW IN THE U.S. CODE that gives white people an advantage over black people.

Find the law or admit you are wrong and do not know what you are talking about.

Jim Crow laws did not end 100 years ago. They were in force into the 1960’s. 

[reason10]

Just now, reason10 said:

Excuse me, but the very government that created and legislated the Jim Crow laws HAS BEEN DEAD FOR OVER A CENTURY.

Earth to child:

EVERY SLAVE IS DEAD.

EVERY SLAVE TRADER IS DEAD.

The victims and the perpetrators are both DEAD.

NOBODY alive today bears any responsibility for what happened back then.

And all you have to do to prove otherwise is FIND THE LAW IN THE U.S. CODE that gives white people an advantage over black people.

Find the law or admit you are wrong and do not know what you are talking about.

Oh, and since you want to FURTHER change the subject and go after how the American government treated INDIANS,

"I'm white and I don't any apology to anyone for something I did not do. I had nothing to do with the exploitation of Native Americans. It was wrong. It was wrong when Andrew Jackson did it. Abe Lincoln was no hero either. But I'm an individual. I'm not going to apologize on behalf of a skin group. As for how to empower indigenous people, Native American tribes, the American government has done everything wrong. Native American communities are the worst examples of socialist failed experiments in my opinion. High government dependency, widespread corruption, abuse by elders. If you want to look up where the government has messed up terribly, it's on Native American reservations. And so I'm not going to apologize for something I didn't do, but will recognize that there has been a thirty to forty year mistreatment, mostly designed by big government liberals by the way, coming in with a lot of promises to these reservations. And unfortunately the statistics show that most Native American reservations are the most alcohol addicted, drug addicted, suicidal and hopeless square miles in America."

If you need a cite for THIS example of poor American government, the Bureau Of Indian Affairs is actually older than the United States, having first been created in 1775, and first headed by Benjamin Franklin. It was given statutory authority in 1832. It was moved to the Department Of the Interior in 1849. And AGAIN, everyone who has had anything to do with its beginning has been DEAD for over a century.

And yet this says NOTHING about the thread title.

Boys and girls, I'm still waiting for the LAW that gives whites advantages over blacks.

LOok up the law or admit it does  not exist.

[reason10]

6 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

That's a pretty low bar to surpass.

Perhaps when the Kenyan Village Idjit appoints a justice.

[I am Groot]

16 hours ago, robosmith said:

The only whites who need feel guilty are those who don't acknowledge and seek to rectify the unjust burden placed on the black race by the long legacy of racism sanctioned by their government, esp slavery and Jim Crow, etc. 

How many decades do white people have to work to rectify this supposed burden? How many hundreds of billions of dollars have already been spent trying to do so through various affirmative action, social welfare, grants, loans and spending programs since the 1960s? The UK spent 5% of its GDP per year compensating freed negros and working at freeing others and what credit do they get for it today? None whatsoever.

This is, as John McWhorter says, a religious crusade which tries to affix original sin to everyone who has a white skin. And the only way to temporarily ease the guilt is through continuous prayer and good works - or in this case constantly chanting about your white privilege and racism. But there is, of course, no way to permanently remove it.

Despite the fact every people on Earth engaged in slavery throughout all the history of time, including Africans well before Europeans showed up, and including the indigenous people in North and South America. All over the world there are societies which had slavery for centuries, sometimes eons. None feels any particular guilt over it except a few anglosphere countries influenced by the shallow thinking of the progressive American academic and media communities.

[reason10]

6 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Jim Crow laws did not end 100 years ago. They were in force into the 1960’s. 

Excuse me, THIRD GRADE DROPOUT. Get someone with an education to READ the statement and explain it to you. I DID NOT say Jim Crow laws ended 100 years ago. That is a lie and you are a LIAR.

I said the racist Democrats who voted Jim Crow laws into existence have been dead for over a century. I gave the time line.

I KNOW about the Jim Crow laws in the early sixties. I've SEE the segregated lunch counters. I've had to feel the sheer tension of the racism back then. Perhaps you had been born before the turn of the century, you might have been educated by a competent school system.

[I am Groot]

47 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Well, the solution is pretty obvious, no? If discrimination retarded the progress of generations by deliberately excluding people from good jobs,

Did it? I keep coming up against the fact that Black economic progress was moving steadily closer to that of whites until the civil rights era opened up those jobs you speak of and the black family unit collapsed.

[Michael Hardner]

19 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

No one has made that argument. No one has even suggested it. You are simply making it up.

"Nobody on the left has an answer as to why Asians do better than everyone else in many respects. Just silence and a blank stare." from Page 1 of this very thread ?

That seems to be arguing exactly that.  Suggesting it at the very least.

[ironstone]

10 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

"Nobody on the left has an answer as to why Asians do better than everyone else in many respects. Just silence and a blank stare." from Page 1 of this very thread ?

That seems to be arguing exactly that.  Suggesting it at the very least.

I made that statement and I am not suggesting that racism does not exist, only that it's not systemic. I also would suggest that the fact that Asians tend to do very well has more to do with cultural differences compared to other groups. 

Hell, I'm probably going to be called racist for saying Asians have a great work ethic.

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, ironstone said:

1. I also would suggest that the fact that Asians tend to do very well has more to do with cultural differences compared to other groups. 

1.Ah, ok.  "Asians make good money therefore there is no SYSTEM racism" - is that it ?

It's still not a supportable argument.  There are so many factors at play here, the only reason to simplify things to this level would be to excuse the 'system', which means the government and agencies of Canada, and especially a PM who has engaged in grossly racist behaviour.

Enjoy your day, and enjoy your Justin.

[Hodad]

53 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

You have failed to demonstrate any unfairness. Certainly, you've failed to demonstrate that this 'unfairness' is responsible for poor black economic performance as compared to superior asian economic performance. The reason for that is that Asians get married, their kids are raised in two-parent families, and those parents place heavy emphasis on their children's' schooling. Black kids are mostly raised in single parent families with absentee fathers. 

You'll no-doubt say that's the fault of white society but as per Thomas Sowell discussed earlier the Black family unit was intact through to the civil rights era, and violence and crime was low in the black community. What happened then? You can't blame slavery. 

Societies differ in every way based on their cultures, behaviour and characteristics. You cannot expect them to perform similarly in every category. Ascribing lower performance to some kind of unfairness without even being able to point at it is a pointless (pardon the pun) exercise. 

Lastly, pretending you're somehow more courageous or have more empathy, that those you disagree with lack integrity for disagreeing with a baseless theory is just so bloody typical of the progressive left. Every discussion with you guys ultimately revolves around how noble you are and how nasty those who disagree with you are. It's tiresome and stupid.

Seriously? I have to "prove" that Black Americans have been and continue to be treated unfairly? That's really an open question for you? 

I've linked to multiple studies in this thread- among hundreds on the subject -but those will be hand-waved away, I'm sure. Because honestly, if people aren't already aware of the unfair treatment it's not because of a lack of research. That's not the barrier. Perhaps obliviousness? Naivete? Willful ignorance? At any rate, it rather neatly proves my point about empathy. It's downright sociopathic to stand in the midst of a throng crying- and crying out -about mistreatment and not take that shared experience even a little to heart.

I'd place a bet that you could name literally any aspect of society, from access to jobs, housing, food, education, justice--whatever--and it'll take about 30 seconds to find the studies identifying the systemic racism at work. Wanna play that game? Try a few for yourself.

Take a look at the data and tell me that if you were to be reborn tomorrow, with no control over your circumstance save the choice of "race," that you would choose to be reborn as anything other than white. It's not even a close contest. The social advantages are built into the skin color, bestowed by accident of birth.  

 

[reason10]

19 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Seriously? I have to "prove" that Black Americans have been and continue to be treated unfairly? That's really an open question for you? 

I've linked to multiple studies in this thread- among hundreds on the subject -but those will be hand-waved away, I'm sure. Because honestly, if people aren't already aware of the unfair treatment it's not because of a lack of research. That's not the barrier. Perhaps obliviousness? Naivete? Willful ignorance? At any rate, it rather neatly proves my point about empathy. It's downright sociopathic to stand in the midst of a throng crying- and crying out -about mistreatment and not take that shared experience even a little to heart.

I'd place a bet that you could name literally any aspect of society, from access to jobs, housing, food, education, justice--whatever--and it'll take about 30 seconds to find the studies identifying the systemic racism at work. Wanna play that game? Try a few for yourself.

Take a look at the data and tell me that if you were to be reborn tomorrow, with no control over your circumstance save the choice of "race," that you would choose to be reborn as anything other than white. It's not even a close contest. The social advantages are built into the skin color, bestowed by accident of birth.  

 

Seriously? I have to "prove" that Black Americans have been and continue to be treated unfairly? That's really an open question for you? 

Actually, the thread only asks you to cite the exact LAW that gives whites advantages over blacks. So far, none of you Wokesteppers have done that.

I've linked to multiple studies in this thread- among hundreds on the subject -but those will be hand-waved away, I'm sure. Because honestly, if people aren't already aware of the unfair treatment it's not because of a lack of research. That's not the barrier. Perhaps obliviousness? Naivete? Willful ignorance? At any rate, it rather neatly proves my point about empathy. It's downright sociopathic to stand in the midst of a throng crying- and crying out -about mistreatment and not take that shared experience even a little to heart.

Stupid left wing OPINIONS do not answer the question. What LAW is on the books TODAY that gives whites an advantage over blacks.

I'd place a bet that you could name literally any aspect of society, from access to jobs, housing, food, education, justice--whatever--and it'll take about 30 seconds to find the studies identifying the systemic racism at work. Wanna play that game? Try a few for yourself.

Housing? (Realtors are forbidden to do business with anyone who requests a certain race neighborhood. The practice is called "steering" and it can cause a Realtor to lose his/her license.)

Food? Tell us what LAW designates certain foods for people based on race.

Education? You get what you pay for. Poorer black communities generally do not have the real estate tax resources to fund pristine, state of the art public schools. Poor white communities have the same problem. Poverty is not based on race. It's based on CHOICES.

Justice? Regardless of your race, if you commit a crime you deserve to go to prison. Statistically, blacks commit more violent crimes than whites.

https://whiteprivilegeisntreal.org/black-vs-white-crime-statistics/

And blacks most of the time commit those crimes on other blacks, so you can also agree that blacks are the largest group of VICTIMS of crimes.

If you want to look at the systematic racism that destroyed the black family unit, look no further than THIS racist redneck, whose GREAT SOCIETY caused it all.

 

 

Edited December 15, 2022 by reason10

[ironstone]

40 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1.Ah, ok.  "Asians make good money therefore there is no SYSTEM racism" - is that it ?

It's still not a supportable argument.  There are so many factors at play here, the only reason to simplify things to this level would be to excuse the 'system', which means the government and agencies of Canada, and especially a PM who has engaged in grossly racist behaviour.

Enjoy your day, and enjoy your Justin.

Where exactly do I find this white privilege? I am white, so where and how do I or any other white person go out and enrich ourselves right now? Is it everywhere? Does it only exist in certain places or circumstances? In government? Most or all of the private sector?

 

 

[Hodad]

18 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Seriously? I have to "prove" that Black Americans have been and continue to be treated unfairly? That's really an open question for you? 

Actually, the thread only asks you to cite the exact LAW that gives whites advantages over blacks. So far, none of you Wokesteppers have done that.

I've linked to multiple studies in this thread- among hundreds on the subject -but those will be hand-waved away, I'm sure. Because honestly, if people aren't already aware of the unfair treatment it's not because of a lack of research. That's not the barrier. Perhaps obliviousness? Naivete? Willful ignorance? At any rate, it rather neatly proves my point about empathy. It's downright sociopathic to stand in the midst of a throng crying- and crying out -about mistreatment and not take that shared experience even a little to heart.

Stupid left wing OPINIONS do not answer the question. What LAW is on the books TODAY that gives whites an advantage over blacks.

I'd place a bet that you could name literally any aspect of society, from access to jobs, housing, food, education, justice--whatever--and it'll take about 30 seconds to find the studies identifying the systemic racism at work. Wanna play that game? Try a few for yourself.

Housing? (Realtors are forbidden to do business with anyone who requests a certain race neighborhood. The practice is called "steering" and it can cause a Realtor to lose his/her license.)

Food? Tell us what LAW designates certain foods for people based on race.

Education? You get what you pay for. Poorer black communities generally do not have the real estate tax resources to fund pristine, state of the art public schools. Poor white communities have the same problem. Poverty is not based on race. It's based on CHOICES.

Justice? Regardless of your race, if you commit a crime you deserve to go to prison. Statistically, blacks commit more violent crimes than whites.

https://whiteprivilegeisntreal.org/black-vs-white-crime-statistics/

And blacks most of the time commit those crimes on other blacks, so you can also agree that blacks are the largest group of VICTIMS of crimes.

If you want to look at the systematic racism that destroyed the black family unit, look no further than THIS racist redneck, whose GREAT SOCIETY caused it all.

 

 

Look, I know you're not very bright, but is there some fixed number of times that someone needs to repeat the point that white privilege has nothing to do with the law before you stop conflating the two? I've done it several times already, but if there is some number you have in mind- 7, 12, whatever -I can just get them all out of the way now.

Once more for good measure, white privilege has nothing to do with the law. It is a social construct. Like overt racism and systemic racism, it exists entirely independent of the law.

[Hodad]

17 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Where exactly do I find this white privilege? I am white, so where and how do I or any other white person go out and enrich ourselves right now? Is it everywhere? Does it only exist in certain places or circumstances? In government? Most or all of the private sector?

 

 

Yes, indeed, it is everywhere and everywhen. 

 

[reason10]

8 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Look, I know you're not very bright, but is there some fixed number of times that someone needs to repeat the point that white privilege has nothing to do with the law before you stop conflating the two? I've done it several times already, but if there is some number you have in mind- 7, 12, whatever -I can just get them all out of the way now.

Once more for good measure, white privilege has nothing to do with the law. It is a social construct. Like overt racism and systemic racism, it exists entirely independent of the law.

1. I'm brighter than you and all the left wing Woke goose steppers here. A typical Florida third grader and up would seem like a GENIUS compared to you retards, so enough with the little insults.

2. You left wingers have LOST the argument that whites today are responsible for black slavery. You have LOST the argument that poor blacks today are poor ONLY because of slavery.

3. The ONLY way white privilege can be shown as an institution is if there are laws OR EVEN ONE GODDAM LAW on the books. So far, you goose steppers have shown that you can't find any.

4. Asians are richer than Caucasians.  Why aren't you shouting ASIAN PRIVILEGE/

5. Jews are richer than Caucasians. (I mention this because SOME of you Wokesteppers think Jews are a different race from Caucasians.) Where is the JEW PRIVILEGE.

 

The terim "white privilege" is a bullschitt, racist LIE, created and promoted by small mind racists who have nothing better to do with their lives and want to blame everyone else for the results of their stupid decisions.

[reason10]

Just now, Hodad said:

Yes, indeed, it is everywhere and everywhen. 

 

Oh, so you find a COMEDIAN'S routine on being white and somehow THAT is white privilege?

Again, your brain is inferior to Florida school children, third grade and up.

[Hodad]

1 minute ago, reason10 said:

1. I'm brighter than you and all the left wing Woke goose steppers here. A typical Florida third grader and up would seem like a GENIUS compared to you retards, so enough with the little insults.

2. You left wingers have LOST the argument that whites today are responsible for black slavery. You have LOST the argument that poor blacks today are poor ONLY because of slavery.

3. The ONLY way white privilege can be shown as an institution is if there are laws OR EVEN ONE GODDAM LAW on the books. So far, you goose steppers have shown that you can't find any.

4. Asians are richer than Caucasians.  Why aren't you shouting ASIAN PRIVILEGE/

5. Jews are richer than Caucasians. (I mention this because SOME of you Wokesteppers think Jews are a different race from Caucasians.) Where is the JEW PRIVILEGE.

 

The terim "white privilege" is a bullschitt, racist LIE, created and promoted by small mind racists who have nothing better to do with their lives and want to blame everyone else for the results of their stupid decisions.

It's not a little insult. Nor is it subtle. I just honestly believe you are a profoundly stupid person. ^^Look at that post. Despite multiple explanations over multiple threads, you still have no idea what white privilege is. It's like the information just bounces off of you.

For sake of illustration, it would be equally stupid if you said that racism wasn't real, just point to a single law that proves racism. Which is to say, very, very stupid.

  

[CrakHoBarbie]

47 minutes ago, reason10 said:

 

What LAW is on the books TODAY that gives whites an advantage over blacks.

 

Why do you assume that white privilege depends on laws that specifically give whites advantages over blacks? 

[CrakHoBarbie]

12 minutes ago, Hodad said:

It's not a little insult. Nor is it subtle. I just honestly believe you are a profoundly stupid person. ^^Look at that post. Despite multiple explanations over multiple threads, you still have no idea what white privilege is. It's like the information just bounces off of you.

For sake of illustration, it would be equally stupid if you said that racism wasn't real, just point to a single law that proves racism. Which is to say, very, very stupid.

  

Well said.