85.7% of Covid Deaths in Canada Were Among the Multi-Vaxed from Aug to Sept of 2022. Jabbing 85% of the Population Didn't Reduce Deaths

[Moonlight Graham]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Can you answer a couple of easy questions MG? 

1. Do you think that covid deaths decreased after 2021? 
2. What % of covid deaths in Canada do you think occurred among the multi-vaccinated? 

I'm not asking you for an exact answer, just a rough idea of what you believe to be true.

Neither of these stats are relevant.   What is relevant is the health outcomes of people infected with covid with vs without the vaccine.

[Venandi]

On 7/9/2024 at 12:49 AM, eyeball said:

I'm also under the eye and thumb of medical examiner's who certify my medical fitness as a matter of public safety.

Yup, maintaining a class 1 medical standard for an ATPL requires a medical every 6 months for all pilots over the age of 40. So including the RCAF "space shuttle" medical with full cyclo exam every year that's 3 full blown individual medicals every year for most of my career.

I'm not sure how that's relevant to the issue at hand though. When I read stuff 

like this  the trust you speak of begins to fray.

On the plus side, I'm very grateful that Doctors aren't flying passengers (or my grandkids) from A to B and applying the magnificent threat assessment capabilities (on full display above) to the safety and effectiveness of a flight in bad weather.

I'd rather walk, or swim or crawl... your mileage may vary of course and individual threat assessments based on individual risk factors qualifies as a different animal than imposing mandated actions across the board and then justifying those mandates with known falsehoods.

That's a polite way of saying lying about it...

 

  

 

Edited July 10, 2024 by Venandi

[Goddess]

11 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 What is relevant is the health outcomes of people infected with covid with vs without the vaccine.

I agree.

That's why the Cochrane study with a cohort of 50,000 was so important.

 

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Neither of these stats are relevant.   What is relevant is the health outcomes of people infected with covid with vs without the vaccine.

Of course they're relevant. 

We shut down our economy because of the "high number of deaths and hospitalizations" in 2020. It was all the media talked about for 2 years. Then when deaths went up dramatically and hospitalizations tripled everything was open and the news didn't talk about covid at all. 

Shouldn't they have been even more freaked out when we got a "successful vaccine" and it wasn't working?

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What is relevant is the health outcomes of people infected with covid with vs without the vaccine

The number of vaccinated deaths in 2022 was higher than the total number of covid deaths in either of the previous covid years. 

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, Venandi said:

I'm not sure how that's relevant to the issue at hand though.

It's relevant to the conspiracy hooey that all the world's doctors and examiners and experts and such have been bamboozled or worse are in on the evil plot to kill millions so Fauci and big pharma can swindle billions in profits.

It's interesting that these people still can't seem to agree on how many people were or are active participants in the plot. Some think it only took a handful of people apparently working in plain sight to fool the entire world and others seem to realize it must have taken thousands upon thousands of participants and institutions behind the scenes around the world to pull it off.

For me one of the biggest reasons to not suspend my disbelief is imagining the sort of competence it would take for governments to coordinate it all - we're talking about people who can barely make buses run on time.

Edited July 10, 2024 by eyeball

[Goddess]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

to fool the entire world

Well, they sure fooled you 🤣

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Well, they sure fooled you 🤣

Along with all the world's doctors and experts according to you and without a shred of evidence. 

You're in the same league as people who talk about Jewish space lasers and 9/11 truthers.  You're all insane.

[Goddess]

In the covid era, public health and the media made it a virtue to create panic about being infected. This was gross malpractice on the part of the media and public health, distorting people's demand for lockdowns that harmed children, the poor, and the working class.

In April 2020, a USC Understanding America Study found that respondents thought one in four people - 25% - who got covid would die from infection. These numbers were two orders of magnitude greater than the true infection fatality risk. No wonder people panicked.

A 25% death rate is in the range of some Ebola outbreaks. The average American thought Covid was on the order of airborne Ebola! The spike in perception of risk happened immediately after lockdowns--which at least partly Michael Sanger's suggestion that lockdowns caused fear rather than resulted from it. But the 25% figure was a massive media and public health communications failure if the goal was to be truthful and keep the public informed. It was a catastrophic failure.

Even by the end of June 2021, the perceived infection fatality risk had only dropped to one in eight, still orders of magnitude too high, and this is after most elderly Americans had been vaccinated and a large fraction of the country had immunity gained from covid recovery.

Public health's primary job was to keep the public informed with accurate information during the covid era. In this, it failed.

The panic ended up closing the minds of the public health establishment also, which caused them to push bad science and further panic as their non evidence based policies failed.

@eyeball was one who openly mocked The Great Barrington Declaration, which has as its primary plank (one of two), the focused protection of vulnerable people. (The second plank was lifting lockdowns and opening schools, letting younger people live life as normally as possible). The document itself and accompanying material have a score of suggestions for specific policies to implement to do that. It called for local public health to be more creative in solutions to protect older people living in local communities in ways that protect their human rights.

@eyeball rejected the scientific fact of herd immunity.

The simple fact is that we did not then and do not now possess a technology to stop the virus from spreading. Interventions needed to be targeted and not cause more harm than good.

And I highly suspect that these elevated estimates percolated up to the higher levels of policymaking too and affected the elite pandemic risk perception. This, in my opinion, is the main reason that paternalistic misinformation is the wrong approach for public health to take. It assumes that elites know better and are immune to the hysteria that they are generating. But soon enough one starts believing one's own lies. And during Covid, the establishment came to believe its own lies. This made it impossible for the establishment to engage in rational decisionmaking. What was originally instrumentalist misinformation spiraled out of control and became public policy. Authentic scientific controversy--without regard for the "consequences" of the truth--must take place out in the open and be encouraged and promoted; it must not be the private monopoly of elites. Society just won't function properly otherwise.

@eyeball's chicken little panic is a good part of what caused Public Health to "do something". @eyeball did not care what the outcomes of just "doing something, anything, AAAAAGHHHH!!!!! Panic! Panic! Panic!" would be.  He didn't care that children were at NO risk - he wanted them all jabbed multiple times with an experimental injection that was ALL risk and NO benefit to them, but it helped @eyeball with his "feels".

@eyeball openly mocked the vaccine injured, called them all liars, insisted there were NO jab deaths or injuries, in spite of being shown the date over and over and over and over and over......

@eyeball rejected that myocarditis was a serious adverse event of the jabs he insisted children bear....for his own selfish self.

What the public needed most was reassurance, plus directed care to vulnerable groups. What they actually got was something quite different. By accident or by design?

By accident or by design?

@eyeball says it was all accidental.

But, @eyeball has been wrong.  Repeatedly.  On everything.

He is a panicker - a frenzied panicker who demands others sacrifice themselves for his fake, based on lies panic.  And he takes no responsibility for it because he was "just following orders."

@eyeball is part of the problem.

We need to stop listening to these FOOLS.

[Goddess]

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You're all insane.

Maybe.

But I've been right about everything and you've been wrong about everything.

[Goddess]

"Without it things would have been a lot worse".

Hmmm.

It looks to me that the gradient of the "COVID deaths" graph INCREASED after vaccines were introduced.

This being the hallmark of no successful vaccine.  Ever.

[Goddess]

Science thrives on open and honest debates. Power and control demands censorship.

👆👆  There's your  motive. 👆👆

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

to not suspend my disbelief is imagining the sort of competence it would take for governments to coordinate it all

It was incompetence. 

And desire for money, power and control.  Some went along with it for money.  Some for power.  Some for control.  Some for all three.

Why is the idea of incompetent government, desire for money and power so foreign to you that you dismiss it out of hand?  You really that naive?

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It was incompetence. 

And desire for money, power and control.  Some went along with it for money.  Some for power.  Some for control.  Some for all three.

Why is the idea of incompetent government, desire for money and power so foreign to you that you dismiss it out of hand?  You really that naive?

Actually he rails about it for virtually every other thing. 

Lobbyists -  "THE GOV"T CAN"T BE TRUSTED!!! THEY"RE EVIL!! WE NEED 24 HOUR SURVIELANCE TO MAKE SURE THEY"RE NOT DOING WRONG!!! "

covid related -  "why can't you guys just trust the gov't? They're doing their very best and only have our interest at heart!"

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Along with all the world's doctors and experts according to you and without a shred of evidence. 

You're in the same league as people who talk about Jewish space lasers and 9/11 truthers.  You're all insane.

Who said "all the world's doctors"? CNN? 🤣

A lot of doctors spoke out against covid/vax BS and it cost them dearly. 

This whole scenario played out like an acceptance filter for pro-vax BS and and a rejection filter for scientific/medical info and data that went against the vaxes-uber-alles propaganda. That was right from the top of the CDC and the major medical publications, right through the medical community and MSM.

We've shown you nothing but proof that Fauci et al were LYING. All of their vax promises were back-pedalled down to 'placebo'-level efficacy. Then we were told that Pfizer et al never made any claims at all about preventing infection or transmission. 

Surely with the benefit of hindsight you see how different the late 2020 vax promises were from the 2022 results and admissions. 

Edited July 10, 2024 by WestCanMan

[Goddess]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Surely with the benefit of hindsight you see how different the late 2020 vax promises were from the 2022 results and admissions. 

I believe he is scientifically illiterate.

He doesn't understand it, so he relies on authorities to make his decisions.  And he tells himself that gov'ts and authorities are always altruistic.

It's the source of his gullibility.

[WestCanMan]

18 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I believe he is scientifically illiterate.

He doesn't understand it, so he relies on authorities to make his decisions.  And he tells himself that gov'ts and authorities are always altruistic.

It's the source of his gullibility.

He keeps pimping the same appeal to authority fallacy as the gold standard here, long after his cited 'authorities' have completely abandoned those dishonest claims. 

He probably still has some thalidomide stashed away for his granddaughters, in case they feel a bit of morning sickness when they get pregnant. 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

Maybe.

But I've been right about everything and you've been wrong about everything.

That's your insanity speaking. 

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

Why is the idea of incompetent government, desire for money and power so foreign to you that you dismiss it out of hand?  You really that naive?

You misunderstand. Its the idea that governments were competent enough to pull off the conspiracy you've described that's so naive.

All with one senior White House advisor and a handful of psy-op guys according to you.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Who said "all the world's doctors"? CNN? 🤣

Goddess certainly implies that with her bingo comment.  Sure you might have a few doctors willing to go out on a limb for t he sake of being controversial but you people have set up an enormous hurdle of credibility with your notions the virus was created for the purposes of making a handful of people fabulously wealthy and powerful.

That's just straight up fu cking crazy. 

[Goddess]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That's your insanity speaking. 

Bwaahahhahahaaa!  Seriously, dude.  You've been wrong about everything and I've been right about everything.

I'm not even debating this - it's a fact. There's literally hundreds of studies and datasets posted here that prove I've been right and you've been wrong.

YOU still want children to die or experience life-altering health changes because you think it saves you!!!  🤣  Bwahahahaha!

You're not just naive and scientifically illiterate - you're stoopid, too! 🤣

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

credibility with your notions the virus was created for the purposes of making a handful of people fabulously wealthy and powerful.

That's just straight up fu cking crazy. 

So crazy the US Congress & Senate subcommittees are deep-diving investigations into that very possibility.

You should really watch the committees.  You wouldn't sound so stoopid then.

Poor @eyeball you've been the last to catch onto everything and you're the last to catch onto this too. 

You really need to get your nose out of the MSM's arse.  Isn't the 💩 smell starting to get to you???

Edited July 10, 2024 by Goddess

[Goddess]

14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Its the idea that governments were competent enough to pull off the conspiracy you've described that's so naive.

Nothing to do with competency. They have the power to do it, dumbass.

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Seriously, dude.  You've been wrong about everything and I've been right about everything.

If the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with limited competence in a particular domain overestimate their abilities, what do you call it when people with limited competence overestimate the competency and abilities of others?

4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

So crazy the US Congress & Senate subcommittees are deep-diving investigations into that very possibility.

You should really watch the committees.  You wouldn't sound so stoopid then.

I saw Marjorie Taylor-Green in action or is that you perchance?

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Nothing to do with competency. They have the power to do it, dumbass.

With just one old guy and a handful of pys op dudes?

That's some amazing power and competence on display.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

If the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with limited competence in a particular domain overestimate their abilities, what do you call it when people with limited competence overestimate the competency and abilities of others?

 

In your case? wishful thinking. 

 

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, Goddess said:

You really need to get your nose out of the MSM's arse.  Isn't the 💩 smell starting to get to you???

What did the MSM have to do with anything?  You said it was just a handful of people involved in all this but now you're changing your tune and bringing more into the fold.  Why and how?

Maybe Fauci's psy op dudes trained Jewish mind control lasers on the MSM or something.