85.7% of Covid Deaths in Canada Were Among the Multi-Vaxed from Aug to Sept of 2022. Jabbing 85% of the Population Didn't Reduce Deaths

WestCanMan · May 21, 2024

35 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I'll give you that, to a point.

I mean, I read the CBC articles and stuff, but I'm the type of person who already knew the MSM was biased, so I looked up names, credentials, etc.

I would have never gotten out of the religious cult I was in if I hadn't been brave enough to read source materials that the cult didn't want us to read. So as soon as MSM was like, "Don't read this, dont' listen to that person or this person, only read and believe what we tell you, there's only one truth, you'll die if you don't listen only to us...." Red flags were flying for me. It was all very reminiscent of being in a CULT.

The Ivermectin thing and the denial of natural immunity was just....eye-popping..... to me. I KNEW both were outright lies.

The most blatant lie, that literally every human on earth should have see through, was:

the vaccines will keep you safe - you don't have to fear covid if you're vaxed - but the unvaxed can give you covid that will kill you...

It's bizarre that people felt like they were safe because they were jabbed, yet they still advocated for the unvaxed to be shut away and have their livelihoods stripped away.

Venandi · May 22, 2024

11 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It's bizarre that people felt like they were safe because they were jabbed, yet they still advocated for the unvaxed to be shut away and have their livelihoods stripped away

I sometimes wonder if everything we saw could have been accomplished without the efforts of a compliant media. At a minimum, the motivation to gleefully hammer neighbours into the dirt, and then applaud and defend the doing of it would have been a much tougher sell and far less socially acceptable than it seems to be now.

The unholy trinity requires government, media and national security forces to be in lockstep. When they are, much can be accomplished. Take even one of them out of the equation though and the task becomes much more difficult.

Although gravely disappointed in how most Canadians conducted themselves, I have to say I was impressed with what the government was able to accomplish, largely by controlling the message and limiting (essentially banning) contrary opinion

Take a moment and Imagine if Covid had never happened, or consider the opinions that would have existed 20 years ago... then imagine if someone right here (on this forum) started a "what if" thread about a world wide pandemic.

Suppose they described exactly what actually happened during covid and suggested that the actions taken by government, media, and law enforcement were right, proper and perfectly understandable under the circumstances.

I'd wager that virtually no one here would actually believe that it could ever happen, most would say "no, I would never do that and I would never support any government who would."

If you were to then summarize some of the the hateful comments (in this thread alone) and apply them to the hypothetical thread above, most of the authors of those comments would assert that they "would never say such a thing." Such is the power and effect of information management on scared populations.

Basic leadership suggests that if you take a group of people who are scared and/ or angry, give them a leader who says "I have the solution, follow me," most (about 70%) will follow. Some out of fear, some out of desperation and some because they sincerely believe in the course of action with a zeal that rivals religion. Then there are those who will have a coffee, calmly smoke a cigarette and compare the compass to the sun, the map to the mountain and say "weight a minute guys, lets just think about this for a second.

But sadly, by the time they butt that cigarette out, they're only talking to about 30% of the initial group. Everyone else is already headed to the swamp in eager anticipation of the spaceship coming to rescue them.

Edited May 22, 2024 by Venandi

Michael Hardner · May 22, 2024

2 hours ago, Venandi said:

1. Such is the power and effect of information management on scared populations.

2. Basic leadership suggests that if you take a group of people who are scared and/ or angry, give them a leader who says "I have the solution, follow me," most (about 70%) will follow.

1. How about the effect of hyperbolic adverbs? Listen - information management by a central authority is central to order, period. This is why hyperbolic disinformation is sponsored by foreign nations. The opposition to science was not only permitted, but it flourished and it still does.

2. Which describes every fake science YouTube channel cited on here to inflame the ignorant about the threat of:

-the UN

-the WEF

-Climategate

-Transgender people

-15 minute cities

-Critical Race Theory

-Woke

-the education system

-Bill Gates

....

Ideas can just be discussed on their merits. Experts are helpful to give validity to ideas, and experts who differ on subjects that are actually contentious are especially helpful.

Edited May 22, 2024 by Michael Hardner

Venandi · May 22, 2024

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

How about the effect of hyperbolic adverbs?

Like this?

- Once again, you've pooped your pants and proven how much of a clueless bullshitter you are;

Or this maybe:

- They get in the jello wresting pool and jerk each other off and around. 1.3K posts to admire each others 1diocy.

BTW, using a 1 instead of an I in order to post words that fall outside the forum rules doesn't help the argument being put forward.

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Listen - information management by a central authority is central to order, period.

Unless they're lying and deliberately suppressing the very information and "meritorious discussion" you now seem to favour.

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ideas can just be discussed on their merits. Experts are helpful to give validity to ideas, and experts who differ on subjects that are actually contentious are especially helpful.

Ya... I tend to agree. Where was that? Seems to me it's only happening now and most of the people who cheered when their neighbours got fired have gone strangely quiet in the face of information they previously never bothered to search for... or even question.

I could readily forgive that were it not for the pervasive ridicule of those unable to even discuss the issues at a high school biology level.

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The opposition to science was not only permitted, but it flourished and it still does.

I must have missed that whilst searching for the banned opinions of Phd level immunologists. Getting answers to my questions was what my grandfather used to call "thirsty work."

Maybe it was because so many of them were, de-platformed, fired and publicly ridiculed.

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Which describes every fake science YouTube channel cited on here to inflame the ignorant

Literally one hours worth of honest research would have been sufficient for the Ivermectin "are you a horse?" crowd to ask sensible questions rather than spewing those "hyperbolic adverbs" you refer to.

It's still going on BTW, take the inquiry into the Emergencies Act. If 87% of the source documents remain deliberately classified and thus unavailable for distribution, analysis and reflection, you might as well save the money spent on the inquiry and simply give Canadians the middle finger they voted for.

Edited May 22, 2024 by Venandi

WestCanMan · May 22, 2024

5 hours ago, Venandi said:

I sometimes wonder if everything we saw could have been accomplished without the efforts of a compliant media.

Not just local media, an international media conglomerate. And it's not even secret, it's right on CBC's own website: https://cbc.radio-canada.ca/en/media-centre/trusted-news-charter-fight-disinformation

CBC/Radio-Canada believes that trusted sources of news and information for Canadians are vital to democracy. To support that goal on a global scale, CBC/Radio-Canada has joined the Trusted News Charter, a BBC-led initiative to strengthen measures to protect audiences from disinformation. The Charter is the result of the June 2019 Trusted News Summit and includes a commitment to collaborate on source authentication, civic information, media education, and other responses to disinformation. Read the BBC announcement here. Other partners just announced include Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Twitter, AFP, Reuters, Financial Times, Wall Street Journal, and the European Broadcasting Union.

Theoretically Trusted News Initiative members joined up to protect us from disinformation, but all that they did was regurgitate covid lies and false narratives in unison, shut dow vax-detractors, and protect Joe Biden.

TNI is the enemy of democracy, but none of the peons want to take notice.

Michael Hardner · May 22, 2024

1 hour ago, Venandi said:

1. Like this?

2. Unless they're lying and deliberately suppressing the very information and "meritorious discussion" you now seem to favour.

3. I could readily forgive that were it not for the pervasive ridicule of those unable to even discuss the issues at a high school biology level.

1. I didn't see any adverbs in those excerpts.

2. No, not unless. Rather.... "Especially if"

3. There's ridicule all around. No need to look down at those who don't have PhDs. Those with PhDs agreed with the crowd. I asked a Chemistry Prof about the vaccines, and got my (not horse medicine 💊 🐎) dose right from the source.

WestCanMan · May 22, 2024

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. How about the effect of hyperbolic adverbs? Listen - information management by a central authority is central to order, period. This is why hyperbolic disinformation is sponsored by foreign nations. The opposition to science was not only permitted, but it flourished and it still does.

Are you joking right now? The main opposition to science came from our own government. Drs and scientists were squashed and our gov't played a huge role in that. The CBC was also as heavily invested in covid disinformation as any other MSM outlet.

Do you think there was ever any "science" saying that kids and young, healthy adults needed the jab?

Did "science" ever determine that there was a pandemic of the unjabbed?

"Science" was used as a tool to push the jabs, and our gov't was as guilty of that as anyone.

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2. Which describes every fake science YouTube channel cited on here to inflame the ignorant about the threat of:

-the UN

-the WEF

-Climategate

-Transgender people

-15 minute cities

-Critical Race Theory

-Woke

-the education system

-Bill Gates

The UN is a joke and it always has been.

The WEF is a bunch of climate hypocrites with mega yachts, supercars and private jets pontificating about the dangers of your Toyota Corolla.

Global warming is the latest in a series climate alarmism narratives that would make Henny Penny blush, which have all fallen by the wayside. It came to you from the exact same people that lied to you about gentle giants, mostly peaceful protests, the Freedom Convoy is a bunch of racists that are destroying Ottawa, the bat-pangolin-human story, the "coronavirus isn't transmissible between humans" story, the story about children needing a jab to protect them from covid, Russian collusion, Trudeau's scandals are no big deal, Trump referred to immigrants as animals, the laptop is Russian disinformation, 50-pedestrian car crash, Jan 6th is comparable to Pearl Harbour and 9/11, etc, etc.

If CNN and CBC said that the sun will rise tomorrow I'd have good reason to suddenly doubt it.

All your little stories that you mentioned there are examples of things that leftists just get wrong all the time.

FYI "woke" actually is synonymous with "stupid cultist" nowadays. It never gets old seeing gay people support Hamas, or seeing women's rights groups praise the strength of women who wear the hijab over here.

Goddess · May 22, 2024

On 5/19/2024 at 9:28 AM, Nationalist said:

Sorry to butt in here gents but I learned some things.

1. Man should not be fcking with gain of fuction research.

2. Anthony Fauci fcked up and lied to cover his ass.

3. Masks are at least as harmful/dangerous to the person as being unmasked.

4. If one is not sick during a pandemic, outside is where you want to be.

5. Forcing the population to agree to untested vaccines, produces much less than optimal results.

6. Panic only makes a bad situation...much worse.

Here's the things I learned:

At least 75% of the population has very strong authoritarian tendencies.
Too large a % of people thoroughly enjoy being subjugated.
When sufficiently frightened, most people will not only accept authoritarianism, they will demand it.
Humans can be trained and conditioned relatively quickly and easily to significantly alter their behaviours, for better or for worse.

'The Science' has evolved into a secular pseudo-religion for millions of people in the West. This religion has little to do with science itself.
Most people care more about looking like they are doing the right thing, rather than actually doing the right thing.
It is difficult to get people "back to normal".

Fear of social disapproval is stronger than fear of death.
Propaganda is just as effective in the modern age as it was 100 years ago.
Anything and everything can be politicized by the media, the government and those who blindly follow them.
Many politicians and large corporations will gladly sacrifice human lives if it is conducive to their financial aspirations.
Most people believe the government always acts in citizen's best interests.
Once they've made up their mind, most people would rather to commit to being wrong, than admit they were wrong.
People who are dismissed as 'conspiracy theorists' are often well researched and simply ahead of the mainstream narrative.
Most people value safety and security more than freedom and liberty, even if said 'safety' is merely an illusion.
Politics, the media, science, and the healthcare industries are all corrupt, to varying degrees. Scientists and doctors can be bought as easily as politicians.
If you make people comfortable enough, they will not revolt. You can keep millions docile as you strip their rights, by giving them money, food, and entertainment.
Modern people are overly complacent and lack vigilance when it comes to defending their own freedoms from government overreach.
Most people are fairly compassionate and have good intentions (this is good). As a result, most people deeply struggle to understand that some people, including our 'leaders', can have malicious or perverse intentions (this is bad).

Edited May 22, 2024 by Goddess

WestCanMan · May 22, 2024

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Here's the things I learned:

At least 75% of the population has very strong authoritarian tendencies.

Too large a % of people thoroughly enjoy being subjugated.

When sufficiently frightened, most people will not only accept authoritarianism, they will demand it.

Humans can be trained and conditioned relatively quickly and easily to significantly alter their behaviours, for better or for worse.

'The Science' has evolved into a secular pseudo-religion for millions of people in the West. This religion has little to do with science itself.

Most people care more about looking like they are doing the right thing, rather than actually doing the right thing.

It is difficult to get people "back to normal".

Fear of social disapproval is stronger than fear of death.

Propaganda is just as effective in the modern age as it was 100 years ago.

Anything and everything can be politicized by the media, the government and those who blindly follow them.

Many politicians and large corporations will gladly sacrifice human lives if it is conducive to their financial aspirations.

Most people believe the government always acts in citizen's best interests.

Once they've made up their mind, most people would rather to commit to being wrong, than admit they were wrong.

People who are dismissed as 'conspiracy theorists' are often well researched and simply ahead of the mainstream narrative.

Most people value safety and security more than freedom and liberty, even if said 'safety' is merely an illusion.

Politics, the media, science, and the healthcare industries are all corrupt, to varying degrees. Scientists and doctors can be bought as easily as politicians.

If you make people comfortable enough, they will not revolt. You can keep millions docile as you strip their rights, by giving them money, food, and entertainment.

Modern people are overly complacent and lack vigilance when it comes to defending their own freedoms from government overreach.

Most people are fairly compassionate and have good intentions (this is good). As a result, most people deeply struggle to understand that some people, including our 'leaders', can have malicious or perverse intentions (this is bad).

Where did you get that list? It's very comprehensive and unfortunately accurate.

eyeball · May 22, 2024

8 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

How about the effect of hyperbolic adverbs? Listen - information management by a central authority is central to order, period. This is why hyperbolic disinformation is sponsored by foreign nations. The opposition to science was not only permitted, but it flourished and it still does.

The beauty about centralizing management information should be that we know where it is so can keep a better eye on it and the reasons why the people/institutions are collecting, using, generating, disseminating it etc. Unfortunately there's this resistance to doing that based on some notion that it's impossible or that it's none of the public's business

So...we get information that can't be trusted and the blanks get filled in with speculation, most of it hooey aka misinformation.

Michael Hardner · May 22, 2024

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

So...we get information that can't be trusted and the blanks get filled in with speculation, most of it hooey aka misinformation.

My favourite favourite flavour is when something appalling happens in plain view, and people don't care.

Goddess · May 22, 2024

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The beauty about centralizing management information should be that we know where it is so can keep a better eye on it

Keep a better eye on it?

You were too lazy to google Ivermectin.

🙄

eyeball · May 22, 2024

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

My favourite favourite flavour is when something appalling happens in plain view, and people don't care.

Misinformation is like micro-plastic in the food chain. It resembles food but it isn't nutritious in the least, it only accumulates and becomes more toxic over time. Plugs up a bullshit filter like nothing else.

You need to rinse them out on a regular basis - it's like the sea strainers I need to clean out every morning before I fire the engines up on the boat, if I don't they plug up the engines overheat and who the fu ck needs that?

Transparency requires ongoing maintenance too.

eyeball · May 22, 2024

15 minutes ago, Goddess said:

You were too lazy to google Ivermectin.

I certainly read a few reviews.

Goddess · May 22, 2024

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I certainly read a few reviews.

That doesn't help if you are unable to comprehend them or understand the implications of the lie, even after it's been explained to you MULTIPLE times.

eyeball · May 22, 2024

8 minutes ago, Goddess said:

That doesn't help if you are unable to comprehend them or understand the implications of the lie, even after it's been explained to you MULTIPLE times.

I'm quite capable of comprehending them. The explanations for lies never add up and there's never a smoking gun pointing at the alleged liars. Just more hooey and more hooey that explains why the hooey never sticks.

You wouldn't believe how much hooey I pull out of an engines cooling system some days. It's relentless how it just keeps coming.

Edited May 22, 2024 by eyeball

Goddess · May 22, 2024

Here's the problem, @eyeball (and also with MH)

You claim 2 things:

1. You claim you are FOR accountability in government and governmental departments.

2. You claim it is virtuous to blindly obey and believe anything the government or its departments tell you.

You do not see the contradiction in those 2 claims.

Which tells me neither of you are capable of "keeping a better eye on" anything. Frankly I'm surprised you're able to keep an eye on when to change your underwear.

Goddess · May 22, 2024

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm quite capable of comprehending them. The explanations for lies never add up and there's never a smoking gun pointing at the alleged liars. Just more hooey and more hooey that explains why the hooey never sticks.

I rest my case.

Why do YOU think the CDC, FDA, governments, public health agencies outright lied about Ivermectin and suppressed its use? Just for sh!ts & giggles? You think they really DIDN'T know what it was?

You reject the explanations given - so why do YOU think they all lied about it?

Goddess · May 22, 2024

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

nd there's never a smoking gun pointing at the alleged liars.

Erm, where you been? The FDA and CDC just got slammed in a lawsuit for lying about Ivermectin and were forced to take down all their "smoking gun" tweets and sections on their websites.

This is how stoopid you are.

Goddess · May 22, 2024

Explosive emails show top NIH adviser deleted records, used 'secret' back channels to help Fauci evade COVID transparency (nypost.com)

Edited May 22, 2024 by Goddess

Goddess · May 22, 2024

Climategate emails coming out now, too

Venandi · May 23, 2024

On 5/22/2024 at 7:38 AM, Michael Hardner said:

How about the effect of hyperbolic adverbs?

21 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I didn't see any adverbs in those excerpts.

On 5/22/2024 at 7:38 AM, Michael Hardner said:

The opposition to science was not only permitted, but it flourished and it still does.

Since you've chosen to be silly I'll leave you to it... our conversation is over.

Because experimental vaccines seem to resonate with you I suspect you'll be glad to hear that a new one is under development for the food industry. Bill Gates is supporting startups who are developing vaccines to prevent cow farts and thus save the planet from global warming.

Eventually this may get so silly and so dangerous that you notice. Perhaps we can talk rationally then.

Michael Hardner · May 23, 2024

1 hour ago, Venandi said:

1. Since you've chosen to be silly I'll leave you to it... our conversation is over.

2. Because experimental vaccines seem to resonate with you I suspect you'll be glad to hear that a new one is under development for the food industry. Bill Gates is supporting startups who are developing vaccines to prevent cow farts and thus save the planet from global warming.

3. Eventually this may get so silly and so dangerous that you notice. Perhaps we can talk rationally then.

1. Strange, because you responded to those 3 things in your last post. And I responded to your response too. You seem to be tamping down the incendiary language, so let's call that an agreement. Maybe that's why the conversation is over.

2. Do you see Bill Gates as some kind of supervillain ? I fail to understand why he is frequently brought up in these conversations. Maybe you think methane is funny or something, I don't know. But you earlier made reference to non-experts failing to understand a complex topic. I would submit Climate Change is another example.

3. Just cite your science and I'll read it. I'm definitely open to it, and if you don't believe me ask me about my concerns about Climate Change exaggeration ...

WestCanMan · May 23, 2024

20 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

My favourite favourite flavour is when something appalling happens in plain view, and people don't care.

Like when the PM calls the unjabbed racists and misogynists?

Like when a peaceful protester in Canada surrenders on his hands and knees and a bunch of cops beat him up?

Like when young adults are forced to take a jab that they don't need, and it ends up killing some of them, and causing permanent damage to the hearts of others?

Yeah, we know you love that kind of stuff, MH.

Michael Hardner · May 23, 2024

20 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1. Like when the PM calls the unjabbed racists and misogynists?

2. Like when a peaceful protester in Canada surrenders on his hands and knees and a bunch of cops beat him up?

Like when young adults are forced to take a jab that they don't need, and it ends up killing some of them, and causing permanent damage to the hearts of others?

Yeah, we know you love that kind of stuff, MH.

1. Remember he did that in French only, and for a reason. And although I didn't agree, you had evidence of wingnuts at the leadership level of the Convoy such as demanding the GG take over parliament (or something), racist diatribes, and Wexit talk...

2. Nope. You're just wrong on that. Any anyway, I hear about that stuff on this forum all the time. There's stuff that happens that isn't even covered on forums. I'm talking about things a little more serious than Pat King sitting in jail for awhile...