Jobs Outsourced to China

[Rebound]

Apparently, the Republicans are promising to return jobs to the US that were outsourced to China. So… who do they think outsourced those jobs in the first place?  One factory owner after another moved their manufacturing to China. It sure wasn’t the workers. 
 

Are they going to repatriate jobs that pay $1 per day for 12 hours a day? 

[herbie]

I thought Trump already brought all the jobs back?

Like in the auto industry where every single new model was built in Mexico...

[Michael Hardner]

11 hours ago, Rebound said:

Apparently, the Republicans are promising to return jobs to the US that were outsourced to China. So… who do they think outsourced those jobs in the first place?  One factory owner after another moved their manufacturing to China. It sure wasn’t the workers. 
 

Are they going to repatriate jobs that pay $1 per day for 12 hours a day? 

Unemployment is low, which is why I'm confused by promising to bring jobs back.

There are already jobs, and those factory jobs won't pay what they did. They can't. Would you rather work in a call center, or a Costco or make the same money in a factory?

Factory jobs paid well because they were unionized.  

Edited November 8, 2022 by Michael Hardner

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Unemployment is low, which is why I'm confused by promising to bring jobs back.

There are already jobs, and those factory jobs won't pay what they did. They can't. Would you rather work in a call center, or a Costco or make the same money in a factory?

Factory jobs paid well because they were unionized.  

EXACTLY!

They can bring those jobs back to America as soon as American workers accept pay of $1 a day. 

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, Rebound said:

EXACTLY!

They can bring those jobs back to America as soon as American workers accept pay of $1 a day. 

To be clear, quoting wages in US$ only shows you why we can't compete for this kind of work it doesn't mean that they have to live on the equivalent buying power that that gives you here.  Chinese can work at those companies and save money, believe it or not.

But, yeah, rather than bringing factory jobs back just pay Dominoes employees better or something... 

[Rebound]

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

To be clear, quoting wages in US$ only shows you why we can't compete for this kind of work it doesn't mean that they have to live on the equivalent buying power that that gives you here.  Chinese can work at those companies and save money, believe it or not.

But, yeah, rather than bringing factory jobs back just pay Dominoes employees better or something... 

I’ve been to China. In Shenzhen, where the bulk of factories are located, the locals will not work in factories. The factories recruit young men from impoverished rural villages. They house them in cots in dormitories and they feed them rice and little else.  They save the money for two years, then return home to sustenance farming. 
 

American factory jobs used to be like this: It was the only alternative to starvation. 

Edited November 8, 2022 by Rebound

[reason10]

13 hours ago, Rebound said:

Apparently, the Republicans are promising to return jobs to the US that were outsourced to China. So… who do they think outsourced those jobs in the first place?  One factory owner after another moved their manufacturing to China. It sure wasn’t the workers. 
 

Are they going to repatriate jobs that pay $1 per day for 12 hours a day? 

Actually, it was DEMOCRATS (with high taxes and business-killing regulations) and thug unions that sent those jobs to the far east. It was LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT TRUMP who slashed those useless regulations and cut taxes and brought those jobs BACK here.

As I've said many times, (and proved it with reliable sources) Democrats are bad for the American economy. They have NEVER EVER expanded the economy.

[reason10]

26 minutes ago, Rebound said:

EXACTLY!

They can bring those jobs back to America as soon as American workers accept pay of $1 a day. 

Actually, LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT TRUMP brought back high paying manufacturing jobs. It just took a little Reagan action. (Lowering taxes and slashing regulations.) Companies are able to figure out the rest.

[reason10]

21 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

To be clear, quoting wages in US$ only shows you why we can't compete for this kind of work it doesn't mean that they have to live on the equivalent buying power that that gives you here.  Chinese can work at those companies and save money, believe it or not.

But, yeah, rather than bringing factory jobs back just pay Dominoes employees better or something... 

Actually, most inhabitants of China are illiterate (kinda like Democrats) and starving to death. (Same situation in India.) The few who make it to the cities to work cheap jobs have had to compete over a few billion for that privilege. That's why Chinese and Indian immigrants who make it to America are generally better educated that the people who were born here. They have had to compete.

Conservatives WANT these brilliant immigrants. We welcome these well educated, hard working individuals, a lot more than those animals from Central America, who come here having babies all over the place and expect us to pay for them.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

I’ve been to China. In Shenzhen, where the bulk of factories are located, the locals will not work in factories. The factories recruit young men from impoverished rural villages. They house them in cots in dormitories and they feed them rice and little else.  They save the money for two years, then return home to sustenance farming. 
 

American factory jobs used to be like this: It was the only alternative to starvation. 

Yes of course.  The locals won't take the jobs - just like here.  And they don't return home necessarily, they find other work.

When people are raised out of poverty, they aren't raised very far. There IS a market for labour in China and conventional economics is moving these people up, very slowly.  

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

American factory jobs used to be like this: It was the only alternative to starvation. 

Also true.   You can say labour isn't getting its fair share at the same time as saying people are better off.  It's not a contradiction.  You can still make win win with more win for workers too.

Edited November 8, 2022 by Michael Hardner

[herbie]

Pinhead says unions bad. Pinhead says want to work, Boss is God. Pinhead says will fight to death for right for someone else to get rich and pay him shit for doing the work.

Uggh! Pinhead go vote like Boss told him now.

Edited November 8, 2022 by herbie

[Michael Hardner]

28 minutes ago, herbie said:

Pinhead says unions bad. Pinhead says want to work, Boss is God. Pinhead says will fight to death for right for someone else to get rich and pay him shit for doing the work.

Uggh! Pinhead go vote like Boss told him now.

I like the cut of this Pinhead's jib.  Who does he tell me to vote for ??

[herbie]

Pinhead do what he told. Pinhead not sheeple.

(My Mom confessed after my Dad passed that she always nodded her head and told him she voted Tory just like he said.Told me excitedly how she even got to vote for Tommy Douglas once in  a byelection...)

[suds]

If you want free trade, then do it with countries that are similar to your own in terms of living standards, politics, and environmental concerns, plus the remote possibility of ever going to war with. We should have all learned a lesson about being too dependent on the big Russian bear. Sooner or later the free world will have to deal with China. We should be getting our act together now and not falling into the same trap as our European allies. Maybe then, our manufacturing sectors could make a comeback. Things would cost more, but that's the price you pay.

[Michael Hardner]

48 minutes ago, suds said:

  Maybe then, our manufacturing sectors could make a comeback. Things would cost more, but that's the price you pay.

And the workers won't make what people imagine factory works to make.  Think factories in 1915 not 1955.  You'd be much better off as a massage therapist or an Arby's shift manager.

This was Trump's delusion and even his own trade experts couldn't talk him out of it.  He wanted to turn back the clock to a time when Europe and Japan were emerging from WW2 and the USA was supplying the world.  

By the time those jobs come back they will be automated and so will driving.  At some point people will have to take a wider view of work and not just wonder where the "jobs" are.

 

[Hodad]

On 11/8/2022 at 8:11 AM, reason10 said:

Actually, most inhabitants of China are illiterate (kinda like Democrats) and starving to death. (Same situation in India.) The few who make it to the cities to work cheap jobs have had to compete over a few billion for that privilege. That's why Chinese and Indian immigrants who make it to America are generally better educated that the people who were born here. They have had to compete.

Conservatives WANT these brilliant immigrants. We welcome these well educated, hard working individuals, a lot more than those animals from Central America, who come here having babies all over the place and expect us to pay for them.

Lol, you're at it again. China is closing in on 100% literacy. They are WAY ahead of the US. It's one of the greatest marvels of the last century. Hunger is also relatively low, but it's not a modern marvel.

If you laud the power of reading, you should try putting it to work.

[reason10]

9 hours ago, Hodad said:

Lol, you're at it again. China is closing in on 100% literacy. They are WAY ahead of the US. It's one of the greatest marvels of the last century. Hunger is also relatively low, but it's not a modern marvel.

If you laud the power of reading, you should try putting it to work.

My source is a group of businessmen who have dealings in China and India. They see what THE VIEW, and PMSNBC only tries to make up.

I agree that Chinese people are the most literate people in the world, but ONLY those Chinese who have successfully emigrated to America. They have had to compete over BILLIONS to get to that point. Asians in general are more literate than the average American, which is why affirmative action discriminates against Asians in college admissions.

As far as the nether regions of China, as far as trusting an oppressive Communist government of China (one that has no problems with turning tanks on street protestors) if you want to be stupid, it's your choice.

Most of us know the truth.

[reason10]

14 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

And the workers won't make what people imagine factory works to make.  Think factories in 1915 not 1955.  You'd be much better off as a massage therapist or an Arby's shift manager.

This was Trump's delusion and even his own trade experts couldn't talk him out of it.  He wanted to turn back the clock to a time when Europe and Japan were emerging from WW2 and the USA was supplying the world.  

By the time those jobs come back they will be automated and so will driving.  At some point people will have to take a wider view of work and not just wonder where the "jobs" are.
 

That is a LIE. The jobs that the Trump tax cuts brought back to America were high paying, (before Brandon shut them down with his incompetence.)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/trumps-tax-cuts-jolt-manufacturing-jobs

Trump's tax cuts jolt manufacturing jobs

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Since President Trump signed the tax cuts, manufacturing has been booming. At least 100 manufacturers have built new facilities, purchased new equipment, hired new employees, and invested in current employees through bonuses and benefit increases. Each has cited tax cuts as the reason for their actions.

Manufacturers are taking advantage of two key pro-business and pro-growth provisions in the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act: a reduced corporate tax rate and full business expensing. The new corporate tax rate is 21 percent, down from the developed-world high of 35 percent. Full business expensing allows manufacturers who purchase new equipment to deduct the full cost from their taxable income in the same year. Previously, deductions occurred over multiyear periods involving complex depreciation schedules.

Baker Boy, a family-owned baked goods manufacturer in North Dakota, wasted no time in taking advantage of full business expensing. Earlier this year, they purchased new equipment needed to manufacture Magic Ring Donuts, a specialty doughnut that has never before been available in North America. The new equipment allows Baker Boy to inject jelly or cream filling in to the ring of a doughnut and still have a hole in its center.

The company is reinvesting its tax savings back into the business, which will allow it to more than quadruple its doughnut production.

 

Oh, and the WORKER is doing better as well.

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Businesses who are benefiting from tax cuts aren’t hoarding the perks, as some liberals claim. In addition to hiring new employees, they are passing benefits along to their current employees. Great Southern Wood Preserving Inc., which manufactures lumber products, has used tax savings to lower employee healthcare costs, increase employee paid time off, and even develop scholarship funds for dependents of employees.

You have lost this argument.

[reason10]

15 hours ago, suds said:

If you want free trade, then do it with countries that are similar to your own in terms of living standards, politics, and environmental concerns, plus the remote possibility of ever going to war with. We should have all learned a lesson about being too dependent on the big Russian bear. Sooner or later the free world will have to deal with China. We should be getting our act together now and not falling into the same trap as our European allies. Maybe then, our manufacturing sectors could make a comeback. Things would cost more, but that's the price you pay.

Exactly. In America, we are free to trade with one another to mutual benefit. That is what our economy is based upon. But there are laws against fraud here, just like there are international laws against fraud. LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT TRUMP was in the process of holding Chine accountable for violating a bunch of international laws.

[reason10]

On 11/8/2022 at 3:04 PM, Michael Hardner said:

I like the cut of this Pinhead's jib.  Who does he tell me to vote for ??

No reasonable person has a problem with employees VOLUNTARILY forming unions for purposes of improving conditions and salaries. The problem is when the state mandates closed shops, so a worker has no choice but to join a union. That's when unions become their own Mafia.

That's why Florida has a better economy than any blue state. Florida HAS unions, but this is a right to work state.

That means unions have to actually offer something of value to attract dues  paying members. In illiterate blue states, unions have a captive audience.

[Rebound]

On 11/8/2022 at 8:07 AM, reason10 said:

Actually, it was DEMOCRATS (with high taxes and business-killing regulations) and thug unions that sent those jobs to the far east. It was LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT TRUMP who slashed those useless regulations and cut taxes and brought those jobs BACK here.

As I've said many times, (and proved it with reliable sources) Democrats are bad for the American economy. They have NEVER EVER expanded the economy.

What a load of nonsense.  You just made that up. 
 

Name one of these regulations. You can’t. 
List the number of re-hired employees. You can’t.
Name the factories that re-opened.  You can’t. 

Name one piece of clothing that Trump manufactured in the United States. He even made his MAGA hats in China. What a joke! He even imported his wives.

Let me teach you something: When I manufactured electronics, I could choose identical factories in Mexico and in China. Same factory owner. Mexicans are paid nearly nothing. I could take my product, put it on a truck and drive it from Guadalajara to Texas or California for almost nothing.  No import duties.  Despite the container shipping costs, it was still considerably cheaper to manufacture in China. 

Edited November 10, 2022 by Rebound

[reason10]

2 minutes ago, Rebound said:

What a load of nonsense.  
 

Name one of these regulations. 
List the number of re-hired employees. Name the factories that re-opened.  
 

Let me teach you something: When I manufactured electronics, I could choose identical factories in Mexico and in China. Same factory owner. Mexicans are paid nearly nothing. I could take my product, put it on a truck and drive it from Guadalajara to Texas or California for almost nothing.  No import duties.  Despite the container shipping costs, it was still considerably cheaper to manufacture in China. 

You aren't qualified to teach anything.

 I provided a reliable link (making me one of the very FEW here to do that.)

Job killing regulations?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trump-slashes-16-4-billion-of-regulations-70-percent-of-agencies-cut

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While new administrations typically expand regulations to fit their agenda, the Trump agenda has been focused on deregulation and some 70 percent of federal agencies complied, said the report from AAF’s policy experts Dan Bosch and Dan Goldbeck.

 

How did our economy fare from these regulation cuts and tax cuts?

https://www.newsmax.com/finance/georgementz/trump-economy-best-50/2019/06/05/id/919096/

10 Reasons Trump Economy Is Best in 50 Years

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   1. Employment: PBS News Hour confirmed that this is the best labor market since 1969 with low unemployment, more jobs and rising wages.
   2. GDP: Trump is the first president to have GDP consistently higher than 3%, President Barack Obama was only the president to fail to achieve one year of 3% GDP growth.
   3. Wages: The Washington Post even surrenders to the fact that Trump is the first president to improve wages in a generation where income is at an all-time high.   
   4. Stock Market: CNN says the stock market has roared more than 40% since Trump’s election.
   5. Gas and Fuel Prices: Gas prices are low in most U.S. states that don't over-tax fuel with local and state taxes. Many states have $2.15 per gallon gasoline right now. Gas prices may fall this summer according to the latest news.
   6. Ethnic Employment Success: The employment success for all ethnicities is at record high. Obama had difficulty creating jobs and many people gave up looking for work.
   7. Manufacturing Jobs: Manufacturing jobs are back in the U.S. for the first time in a generation. Trump created 284,000 manufacturing jobs in 2018. Forbes implied that millions of manufacturing jobs were lost during Obama’s first 2 years in office. Some 1 in 6 were lost between January 2008 and March 2010 and Obama never got those jobs back.
   8. Taxes and Regulatory: Corporate taxes were cut from 35% to 21%. America moved from worst tax system up to one of the most competitive in the world under Trump’s first 2 years in office. Lower tax rates allow U.S. companies to spend more money, buy more assets, pay more employee benefits, buy stock back to put money on Main Street and into state coffers, and even help pay better dividends to seniors who live paycheck to paycheck.
   9. Nasdaq: The Nasdaq stock market value finally exceeded the 1999 prices under Trump. This implies that companies were stagnant for 18 years until Trump took office.
   10. Level the Playing Field: With a mixed bag of tax-code improvements, removal of red tape, new trade agreements, and competitive tariffs, the U.S. economy is more insulated from failure. Even the Federal Reserve is willing to lower rates if other countries harm the U.S. trading environment.

    

    

Find someone with an education to explain all this to you.

[Rebound]

6 minutes ago, reason10 said:

You aren't qualified to teach anything.

 I provided a reliable link (making me one of the very FEW here to do that.)

Job killing regulations?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trump-slashes-16-4-billion-of-regulations-70-percent-of-agencies-cut

How did our economy fare from these regulation cuts and tax cuts?

https://www.newsmax.com/finance/georgementz/trump-economy-best-50/2019/06/05/id/919096/

10 Reasons Trump Economy Is Best in 50 Years

1.  

Find someone with an education to explain all this to you.

Did you manage to get a high school diploma?

That article did not list one single regulation. Don’t you see that you go to websites which are fake? The Washington Examiner is not an actual newspaper. There’s no actual fact being reported. They’re just cheerleading for Trump. 
 

And, even if all that were true, it still does not answer any of my questions: Which factory reopened? Who got a factory job from a factory that closed in China? You can’t answer those questions because those things didn’t happen. 

Edited November 10, 2022 by Rebound

[Michael Hardner]

If the unions sent jobs offshore, why didn't they return after the union movement collapsed?

And again why do we even want these jobs if they don't pay well?