How Long After the 2020 Election Did We Learn About The FBI's Role in Creating the Plot to Kidnap Gretchen Whitmer?

[WestCanMan]

The kidnapping of Gretchen Whitmer, which is known to have been planned by the FBI:

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the FBI told Chappel that in exchange for all of that money, he needed to start assembling a group of right-wing extremists for the FBI to prosecute. They made the whole thing up, and he did that with the FBI's help. Within a few weeks, the FBI created a new Facebook group called "Patriot Three Percenters." 

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Fox also said, "In our hearts and minds, we are not domestic terrorists." Oh, sounds very dangerous. So, based on those text messages, the FBI gave Chappel more instructions. They provided Chappel with several $5,000 limit credit cards, and they told him to give those credit cards to Fox and tell them to spend it on guns and ammunition. So, Fox, despite the fact he had no money at all, had used the men's room in a Mexican restaurant to brush his teeth, refused. On five separate occasions, he refused to take the credit cards to buy guns and ammunition. Then (what a terrorist) then in July of 2020, Chappel suggested that Fox and others fire rounds into the governor's mansion, as well as at her cottage, but the alleged plotters, including Adam Fox, again refused. They didn't want to hurt the governor. 

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Ultimately, in August of 2020, the group started to splinter. Chappel and other informants were instructed to keep the group together. "No, keep it together. Keep the threat real." So, they introduced another undercover agent, [who] pretended to be an explosives expert. He showed the group a video of a bomb that blew up a vehicle to prove he knew what he was doing. Where did that video come from? 

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Then the bureau recruited a convicted felon and a long time FBI informant called Stephen Robeson to introduce a new idea to Fox as well as to Barry Croft. This time the idea was to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer. 

So, as I said, The FBI's PLAN. 

The KGB planned this kidnapping to occur before the election, and no one in America even had a clue that the whole thing was an FBI operation until long after the election.

The FBI timed that kidnaping to almost the exact same time as this kidnapping was executed.

How long before we find out that a KGB agent got this guy stoned and pointed out the way to the Pelosi's home? What are the chances? 50/50?

 

I created this duplicate thread because people were confused by the title of the old one. Somehow they didn't know it was about Whitmer's case. 

[BeaverFever]

Meanwhile in the sane reality world, justice is served on yet another right wing terrorist 

 

Judge orders longest prison term so far in Gov. Whitmer plot

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (AP) — A Delaware trucker described as an architect of the conspiracy to kidnap Michigan’s governor was sentenced Wednesday to more than 19 years in prison — the longest term yet given to anyone convicted in the plot.

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Croft and Adam Fox were convicted in August of conspiracy charges in Grand Rapids. Croft also was found guilty of possessing an unregistered explosive.

Fox, 39, was sentenced Tuesday to 16 years behind bars. The government also sought a life sentence for him.

 

 

 

 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Meanwhile in the sane reality world, justice is served on yet another right wing terrorist 

 

Judge orders longest prison term so far in Gov. Whitmer plot

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (AP) — A Delaware trucker described as an architect of the conspiracy to kidnap Michigan’s governor was sentenced Wednesday to more than 19 years in prison — the longest term yet given to anyone convicted in the plot.

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Croft and Adam Fox were convicted in August of conspiracy charges in Grand Rapids. Croft also was found guilty of possessing an unregistered explosive.

Fox, 39, was sentenced Tuesday to 16 years behind bars. The government also sought a life sentence for him.

 

 

 

 

So the judge (unlike WCM) was not persuaded by an entrapment defense. And once again WCM believes he knows American law better than a sitting JUDGE. LMAO

He just doesn't understand how that (like other things) destroys his credibility.

[Rebound]

The entrapment defense did not succeed because defense failed to prove that client was not predisposed to commit the crime and that the defendant only committed the crime because of inducement.  
 

If a cop offers to buy drugs and you agree, it is not entrapment.  If a cop offers to sell you drugs and you buy them, it is not entrapment. These men willingly agreed to participate in a plot to kidnap the governor. Hence, no entrapment. 

[BeaverFever]

“No fair! I got caught, that’s entrapment!”

[Michael Hardner]

I'm going to reserve judgement here, pending more information on the entrapment defense.

Note that the prosecution withheld some of the communication between the FBI and the kidnappers.  The defense said that they were big talking braggarts who were lured into a trap 

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm going to reserve judgement here, pending more information on the entrapment defense.

Note that the prosecution withheld some of the communication between the FBI and the kidnappers.  The defense said that they were big talking braggarts who were lured into a trap 

If a rat steals cheese from your trap and gets caught, are you going to turn it loose?

"big talking braggarts" usually means they were predisposed to the acts. And stupid.

[West]

On 11/1/2022 at 11:53 AM, WestCanMan said:

The kidnapping of Gretchen Whitmer, which is known to have been planned by the FBI:

So, as I said, The FBI's PLAN. 

The KGB planned this kidnapping to occur before the election, and no one in America even had a clue that the whole thing was an FBI operation until long after the election.

The FBI timed that kidnaping to almost the exact same time as this kidnapping was executed.

How long before we find out that a KGB agent got this guy stoned and pointed out the way to the Pelosi's home? What are the chances? 50/50?

 

I created this duplicate thread because people were confused by the title of the old one. Somehow they didn't know it was about Whitmer's case. 

Most people still don't have a clue because they are low info who get their news from DNC paid propaganda outlets

[robosmith]

19 minutes ago, West said:

Most people still don't have a clue because they are low info who get their news from DNC paid propaganda outlets

Some posters here believe they know more about American law than sitting judges. They're WRONG.

[Michael Hardner]

46 minutes ago, robosmith said:

If a rat steals cheese from your trap and gets caught, are you going to turn it loose?

"big talking braggarts" usually means they were predisposed to the acts. And stupid.

I get it, but without the key information as to what was said in total I can't be sure that these simps weren't talked into it.

[West]

47 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Some posters here believe they know more about American law than sitting judges. They're WRONG.

Judges are just political arms in the US.. no reason to trust them

[robosmith]

10 minutes ago, West said:

Judges are just political arms in the US.. no reason to trust them

Far less reason to trust random interwebz dudes who believe they know the law better than a judge.

Esp those who are OBVIOUSLY "political arms." LMAO

[West]

19 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Far less reason to trust random interwebz dudes who believe they know the law better than a judge.

Esp those who are OBVIOUSLY "political arms." LMAO

Says the guy who's side went and threatened judges outside their home over the overturning of Roe...

[robosmith]

39 minutes ago, West said:

Says the guy who's side went and threatened judges outside their home over the overturning of Roe...

You mean one guy who informed ON HIMSELF? LMAO

㊙️ That's NOT my "side." Duh.

[West]

15 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You mean one guy who informed ON HIMSELF? LMAO

㊙️ That's NOT my "side." Duh.

There was a whole group of unhinged lefties.. kinda like when you nut bars tried to say that Coney Barrett wasn't qualified because she's catholic lol

[Rebound]

3 hours ago, West said:

Most people still don't have a clue because they are low info who get their news from DNC paid propaganda outlets

Many stupid right-wingers think theres still a KGB, even though they were disbanded in 1991.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, West said:

There was a whole group of unhinged lefties.. kinda like when you nut bars tried to say that Coney Barrett wasn't qualified because she's catholic lol

IDK what you're talking about and apparently you don't either cause all you have is lame OPINIONS like ^this.

Just so you know, your record of posting your delusions here, means that EVERYTHING you say without evidence means jack.

It seems you're completely clueless about how to post anything but bullshit.

[West]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

IDK what you're talking about and apparently you don't either cause all you have is lame OPINIONS like ^this.

Just so you know, your record of posting your delusions here, means that EVERYTHING you say without evidence means jack.

It seems you're completely clueless about how to post anything but bullshit.

You are clearly cooked. Act like you don't know that the lefties were acting like a bunch of apes outside of a SC justices home.. very pathetic 

[Rebound]

On 12/29/2022 at 1:39 PM, West said:

Judges are just political arms in the US.. no reason to trust them

So who do we trust more?

A) The results of a public trial, all evidence public, defense able to publicly cross examine all witnesses and question all evidence, resulting in 12 men and women all agreeing that a crime occurred, which a judge concurred with… or…

B ) A random anonymous dude on the Internet who says he has secret evidence he can’t show us?  

[robosmith]

On 12/29/2022 at 2:20 PM, West said:

You are clearly cooked. Act like you don't know that the lefties were acting like a bunch of apes outside of a SC justices home.. very pathetic 

Never heard anything like ^this account, and since you've posted NO EVIDENCE, you apparently HAVE NONE.

[WestCanMan]

On 12/29/2022 at 2:20 PM, West said:

You are clearly cooked. Act like you don't know that the lefties were acting like a bunch of apes outside of a SC justices home.. very pathetic 

Robo doesn't even pretend to have a relationship with the truth or reality. He's pretty certain that the number of raindrops that may or may not have fallen during Trump's inauguration speech is the biggest lie in US political history.

This thread is about the fact that the FBI cooked up a plot to kidnap a US governor, then just conveniently "foiled the plot" (their own plot) a month before a federal election, Robo wants to act like this is a much smaller deal than raindropgate.

The FBI also lied to the American electorate about the Hunter laptop at the exact same time, saying that it was Russian disinformation when they knew it was legitimate. 

The FBI also committed crimes to get warrants to spy on members of Trump's campaign, leaked info about members they were spying on, all in an effort to bolster a public smear campaign disguised as a criminal investigation.

How many actual crimes were proven to have been committed in the Russian collusion saga? Just those of the FBI members. 

The FBI stinks and these alt-left weasels are just here to muddy the waters. Ignore them. 

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Robo doesn't even pretend to have a relationship with the truth or reality. He's pretty certain that the number of raindrops that may or may not have fallen during Trump's inauguration speech is the biggest lie in US political history.

This thread is about the fact that the FBI cooked up a plot to kidnap a US governor, then just conveniently "foiled the plot" (their own plot) a month before a federal election, Robo wants to act like this is a much smaller deal than raindropgate.

The FBI also lied to the American electorate about the Hunter laptop at the exact same time, saying that it was Russian disinformation when they knew it was legitimate. 

The FBI also committed crimes to get warrants to spy on members of Trump's campaign, leaked info about members they were spying on, all in an effort to bolster a public smear campaign disguised as a criminal investigation.

How many actual crimes were proven to have been committed in the Russian collusion saga? Just those of the FBI members. 

The FBI stinks and these alt-left weasels are just here to muddy the waters. Ignore them. 

Wasn’t it FBI head James Comey who swung the election to Trump with his very-very last minute announcement about more Hillary Clinton emails… which later turned out to be copies of emails already turned over to the government?

[WestCanMan]

42 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Wasn’t it FBI head James Comey who swung the election to Trump with his very-very last minute announcement about more Hillary Clinton emails… which later turned out to be copies of emails already turned over to the government?

That's not even a parallel. 

1) There actually was a Clinton email scandal - it wasn't something that the FBI made up. She even destroyed evidence as late as 2 weeks after it was subpoenaed. There were also scandals within that scandal, like Bill Clinton meeting up with the AG on the weekend before the FBI was to announce whether or not she was going to be charged criminally. (Clinton and Lynch theoretically talked about their grandchildren, a farcical lie because Bill's grandkids are still inside of Chelsea's ovaries)

2) Everyone in America already knew about the email scandal, it wasn't breaking news.

3) The FBI didn't commit crimes, lie to the American people, or use entrapment to further their agenda in the making of the 2016 announcement. The FBI were actually suffering from a loss of credibility due to their inaction over Hillary's crimes at the time, and that probably factored into the announcement. In addition to her original crimes she also lied to the FBI to avoid prosecution - again. In case you forgot, she also had a perfectly timed bout of "temporary amnesia" when she was under oath testifying about whitewater. 

Geez, can we all just get temporary amnesia when we need it? 

"Uh, sorry, I can't answer that, I've got Hillamnesia right now. It will go away after the trial."

Edited January 3, 2023 by WestCanMan

[Rebound]

20 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's not even a parallel. 

1) There actually was a Clinton email scandal - it wasn't something that the FBI made up. She even destroyed evidence as late as 2 weeks after it was subpoenaed. There were also scandals within that scandal, like Bill Clinton meeting up with the AG on the weekend before the FBI was to announce whether or not she was going to be charged criminally. (Clinton and Lynch theoretically talked about their grandchildren, a farcical lie because Bill's grandkids are still inside of Chelsea's ovaries)

2) Everyone in America already knew about the email scandal, it wasn't breaking news.

3) The FBI didn't commit crimes, lie to the American people, or use entrapment to further their agenda in the making of the 2016 announcement. The FBI were actually suffering from a loss of credibility due to their inaction over Hillary's crimes at the time, and that probably factored into the announcement. In addition to her original crimes she also lied to the FBI to avoid prosecution - again. In case you forgot, she also had a perfectly timed bout of "temporary amnesia" when she was under oath testifying about whitewater. 

Geez, can we all just get temporary amnesia when we need it? 

"Uh, sorry, I can't answer that, I've got Hillamnesia right now. It will go away after the trial."

If any of this alleged criminal activity was true, why couldn’t Trump get a single criminal charge filed for any of it? Why wasn’t he able to fulfill his campaign promise to lock her up?

Edited January 3, 2023 by Rebound

[WestCanMan]

Thanks to this thread, I just found out that another unlucky chap died of Hillarcide, er, suicide....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9681551/Journalist-broke-Bill-Clinton-Loretta-Lynch-tarmac-story-dies-suicide.html

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The 45-year-old television news man who was the first to report of a secret meeting between former President Bill Clinton and then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch that was held on her private jet in 2016 has died of an apparent suicide.

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News of Sign's death, which is being investigated by police as a suicide, was reported by AL.com. 

In 2016, Sign reported that former President Clinton had met with Lynch on her private jet at Phoenix Airport. 

It was alleged that their conversation centered around an ongoing investigation into whether Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server while Secretary of State was illegal.

Bill Clinton and Lynch would go on to portray it as an impromptu friendly chat.  

Days later, the FBI chose not to bring criminal charges against Hillary, who was in the midst of her presidential campaign. 

Musta jumped down an elevator shaft onto some bullets.