Is the GOP still a legitimate political party?

[BeaverFever]

A lot has been written about the Republican descent into madness over the past few years   Spoiler alert:  party members have few common ideals and are beholden to billionaires puppet masters 

 

 

Is the GOP still a legitimate political party? The answer should be self-evident

Republicans' only unifying agenda is hate, fear and groveling to billionaires. They want to rule, but not govern
 

…

Neoliberalism was their uniting philosophy in 1980 and Reagan cemented that system into place with his presidency: It still controls most of the American political and economic system and dictates most modern Supreme Court decisions as well.

But while most people don't generally recognize the word "neoliberalism," that system which includes offshoring jobs, massive tax cuts for the rich ("trickle-down"), privatization of government functions and gutting the social safety net has fallen out of favor among most voters. (See "The Hidden History of Neoliberalism: How Reaganism Gutted America.")
 

This has left the GOP rudderless. Their persistent shout-outs to racists and homophobes — including efforts to ban books and the teaching of American history — have helped Republican politicians win primary elections, but have hurt Republicans electorally with their better-educated and higher income voters.

Similarly, their embrace of Catholic anti-abortion doctrine has pushed away many formerly Republican female voters while failing to further energize or increase the numbers of the fringe that holds this issue with fanatic zeal.

As a result, other than Sen. Rick Scott's proposals for ending Social Security and Medicare within five years and more calls for tax cuts, Republican politicians in state and federal office have been reduced to simply opposing everything Democrats do or want to do.

…,

This lack of a clear ideological foundation across the GOP has opened the door to:

• Predatory grifters (Mehmet Oz, Matt Gaetz, Rick Scott),
• Wannabe stars and fame-seekers (Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Ted Cruz) and
• Putin-style autocrats (Blake Masters, Doug Mastriano, Ron DeSantis).

Donald Trump, filling all three categories simultaneously, predictably became the "King of the Thieves" in the GOP.

…..

 

https://www.salon.com/2022/10/21/is-the-still-a-legitimate-political-party-the-answer-should-be-self-evident_partner/

Edited October 22, 2022 by BeaverFever

[TreeBeard]

I think a better question would be:  “is the USA a legitimate democracy”?

The erosion of democracy is what has led to a political party like the GOP.  

[Colin Norris]

4 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

I think a better question would be:  “is the USA a legitimate democracy”?

The erosion of democracy is what has led to a political party like the GOP.  

The question of democracy has only got oxygen since Trump was democratically defeated.  There was no mention of voter fraud when he won. Then he loses and all the trouble started.  

How coincidental.

 

The GOP have morphed into a party who are  paranoid about maintaining their control over everything. 

The latest switch from accepting they supported a fascist takeover by Trump to labelling democrats fascists is ever they have reached the bottom. In fact, that happened in 2016 when they elected the idiot Trump. 360 million, half of them republicans and that's the best they've got. God help them. 

 

[reason10]

13 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

A lot has been written about the Republican descent into madness over the past few years   Spoiler alert:  party members have few common ideals and are beholden to billionaires puppet masters 

 

 

Is the GOP still a legitimate political party? The answer should be self-evident

Republicans' only unifying agenda is hate, fear and groveling to billionaires. They want to rule, but not govern
 

…

Neoliberalism was their uniting philosophy in 1980 and Reagan cemented that system into place with his presidency: It still controls most of the American political and economic system and dictates most modern Supreme Court decisions as well.

But while most people don't generally recognize the word "neoliberalism," that system which includes offshoring jobs, massive tax cuts for the rich ("trickle-down"), privatization of government functions and gutting the social safety net has fallen out of favor among most voters. (See "The Hidden History of Neoliberalism: How Reaganism Gutted America.")
 

This has left the GOP rudderless. Their persistent shout-outs to racists and homophobes — including efforts to ban books and the teaching of American history — have helped Republican politicians win primary elections, but have hurt Republicans electorally with their better-educated and higher income voters.

Similarly, their embrace of Catholic anti-abortion doctrine has pushed away many formerly Republican female voters while failing to further energize or increase the numbers of the fringe that holds this issue with fanatic zeal.

As a result, other than Sen. Rick Scott's proposals for ending Social Security and Medicare within five years and more calls for tax cuts, Republican politicians in state and federal office have been reduced to simply opposing everything Democrats do or want to do.

…,

This lack of a clear ideological foundation across the GOP has opened the door to:

• Predatory grifters (Mehmet Oz, Matt Gaetz, Rick Scott),
• Wannabe stars and fame-seekers (Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Ted Cruz) and
• Putin-style autocrats (Blake Masters, Doug Mastriano, Ron DeSantis).

Donald Trump, filling all three categories simultaneously, predictably became the "King of the Thieves" in the GOP.

…..

 

https://www.salon.com/2022/10/21/is-the-still-a-legitimate-political-party-the-answer-should-be-self-evident_partner/

Only an idiot quotes Salon, the most extremist goose stepping NAZI source in cyber space.

Republicans are about to do the world a favor by taking over Congress, impeaching an unelected racist idiot, and fixing our internal problems.

Right now, the only goose steppers are the DemoNAZIS.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, reason10 said:

Only an idiot quotes Salon, the most extremist goose stepping NAZI source in cyber space.

Republicans are about to do the world a favor by taking over Congress, impeaching an unelected racist idiot, and fixing our internal problems.

Right now, the only goose steppers are the DemoNAZIS.

You must have missed https://www.stormfront.org/ when you were searching for your NAZI propaganda.

[reason10]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

You must have missed https://www.stormfront.org/ when you were searching for your NAZI propaganda.

I never cited Stormfront. I'm not an extremist, and I have an education, (something most of the libs here cannot say.)

STormfront, Salon, all the same identity politics lies, all the same Anti-American crap.

Grow a brain.

[robosmith]

8 minutes ago, reason10 said:

I never cited Stormfront. I'm not an extremist, and I have an education, (something most of the libs here cannot say.)

STormfront, Salon, all the same identity politics lies, all the same Anti-American crap.

Grow a brain.

I know you didn't. What I SAID is YOU MISSED IT. Know how to read?

There is NO COMPARISON between Salon and NAZI propaganda like Stormfront.

You're delusional if you believe there is. 

[Rebound]

27 minutes ago, reason10 said:

I never cited Stormfront. I'm not an extremist, and I have an education, (something most of the libs here cannot say.)

STormfront, Salon, all the same identity politics lies, all the same Anti-American crap.

Grow a brain.

Tell us about your education. 

[reason10]

18 hours ago, robosmith said:

I know you didn't. What I SAID is YOU MISSED IT. Know how to read?

There is NO COMPARISON between Salon and NAZI propaganda like Stormfront.

You're delusional if you believe there is. 

Salon and Stormfront are both extremist, anti American hate sources. They are a mirror image of each other. And you are stupid if you can't see that.

Mainstream Conservatives (who make up most of America) are repelled by both of these hate groups.

[reason10]

18 hours ago, Rebound said:

Tell us about your education. 

Simple.

My education is superior to yours and every other liberal here.

Then again, that really isn't saying much, judging by the really ignorant arguments I've seen here from the uber left.

[TreeBeard]

4 hours ago, reason10 said:

My education is superior to yours and every other liberal here.

Can someone with a superior education still say dumb and incorrect things?

[BeaverFever]

3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Can someone with a superior education still say dumb and incorrect things?

Don’t accept his claim of “superior education” at face value. So far he sounds like another generic right wing internet troll and evidence of any education is lacking. 

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, reason10 said:

Salon and Stormfront are both extremist, anti American hate sources.

Prove Salon is "extremist, anti American hate source." You cannot. All you have is ^these troll opinions.

5 hours ago, reason10 said:

They are a mirror image of each other. And you are stupid if you can't see that.

Mirror image means they are POLAR OPPOSITES. AKA, no comparison.

5 hours ago, reason10 said:

Mainstream Conservatives (who make up most of America) are repelled by both of these hate groups.

Cons are not even the majority in America. That's why Biden got 7M MORE VOTES.

[BeaverFever]

As of any more evidence of the Republicans’ insane bats shit is needed:

 

Pro-Trump Tour Flies Off The Rails Over ‘Demonic Satellites’ and ‘Deep State’ McDonald’s
 

The QAnon-peppered programming frequently flew off the rails Saturday, as speakers took severe issue with everything from McDonald’s being part of the “deep state” to “demonic satellites” controlling the voting system in the United States.

The day’s activities kicked off with a prayer asking for Trump’s eyes to be opened so he could be shown when to “implement divine intervention.”

Other speakers included Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate Doug Mastriano, and MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, though the crowd favorite appeared to be organizer Clay Clark, who frequently took to the microphone to accuse McDonald’s of being part of the “deep state” and ask about Michelle Obama’s gender.

“What gender is Michelle Obama?” Clark asked. The crowd overwhelmingly yelled back: “Male.”
 

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-trump-reawaken-america-tour-flies-off-the-rails-over-demonic-satellites-and-deep-state-mcdonalds?source=articles&via=rss

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Don’t accept his claim of “superior education” at face value. So far he sounds like another generic right wing internet troll and evidence of any education is lacking. 

I believe him.  I have no reason to doubt someone bragging anonymously on the internet.  
 

But I’ve known PhDs who have said and done really stupid things.  I’m just wondering why we should should automatically assume that @reason10’s superior education means that they would never say anything stupid.  Maybe their belief is that education has a linear relationship with never being wrong?  Seems like it.  
 

How many diplomas from Trump University would it take for someone to never be wrong?

[reason10]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Prove Salon is "extremist, anti American hate source." You cannot. All you have is ^these troll opinions.

Mirror image means they are POLAR OPPOSITES. AKA, no comparison.

Cons are not even the majority in America. That's why Biden got 7M MORE VOTES.

Nope. Salon IS extremist, Nazi and communist. It is a HATE source (like the Democrat party). The horrific LIES in that article about Republicans PROVES Salon is a goose stepping group of extremist CREEPS.

Biden did NOT get 81 million legal votes. He LOST to Trump in actual votes and it took 2000 Mules to steal the election.

Biden campaigned from a basement. He lost all the debates with Trump. The senile old racist has trouble finishing sentences.

There is no way most of America legally voted for him.

[reason10]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

As of any more evidence of the Republicans’ insane bats shit is needed:

 

Pro-Trump Tour Flies Off The Rails Over ‘Demonic Satellites’ and ‘Deep State’ McDonald’s
 

The QAnon-peppered programming frequently flew off the rails Saturday, as speakers took severe issue with everything from McDonald’s being part of the “deep state” to “demonic satellites” controlling the voting system in the United States.

The day’s activities kicked off with a prayer asking for Trump’s eyes to be opened so he could be shown when to “implement divine intervention.”

Other speakers included Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate Doug Mastriano, and MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, though the crowd favorite appeared to be organizer Clay Clark, who frequently took to the microphone to accuse McDonald’s of being part of the “deep state” and ask about Michelle Obama’s gender.

“What gender is Michelle Obama?” Clark asked. The crowd overwhelmingly yelled back: “Male.”
 

…,

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-trump-reawaken-america-tour-flies-off-the-rails-over-demonic-satellites-and-deep-state-mcdonalds?source=articles&via=rss

Daily Beast? Seriously?

What's next? THE VIEW?

As far as internet trolling goes, putting up these Nazi sites pretty much qualifies as not only trolling, but dangerous stupidity as well.

[reason10]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

I believe him.  I have no reason to doubt someone bragging anonymously on the internet.  
 

But I’ve known PhDs who have said and done really stupid things.  I’m just wondering why we should should automatically assume that @reason10’s superior education means that they would never say anything stupid.  Maybe their belief is that education has a linear relationship with never being wrong?  Seems like it.  
 

How many diplomas from Trump University would it take for someone to never be wrong?

How many Harvard degrees in Lesbian Dance theory would it take for an idiot to admit he has a huge bill to pay and no job prospects?

I'm only honest about my beliefs. I don't apologize for being right, nor do I suggest that I'm right all the time. (Seems like I'm right all the time here, but there are a lot of children here.) I'm only human.

But I'm smarter than the liberals here. Their choice of that goose stepping Salon as a source proves that.

[TreeBeard]

1 minute ago, reason10 said:

How many Harvard degrees in Lesbian Dance theory

Why would you need to make up pretend degrees to try and make a point?  Aren’t there real degrees you could use?

[reason10]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Why would you need to make up pretend degrees to try and make a point?  Aren’t there real degrees you could use?

Actually got that one from Ben Shapiro.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-ben-shapiro-breaks-down-argument-authority-hank-berrien
 

Quote

 

Questioner: What is your formal education background? A lot of people don’t know what your undergraduate degree was in.

Shapiro: I was at UCLA in political science and then Harvard Law School.

Questioner: So you don’t have, you wouldn’t consider yourself an expert in sociology?

Shapiro: I don’t consider sociology a particularly expert field, but go ahead. I think I’m able to read a sociological study.

Questioner: It is a field of study.

Shapiro: There are lots of fields of study. I know a lot less about welding than I do about sociology.

Questioner: What I’m getting at is that you’re not considered an expert in sociology, psychology, gender studies, lesbian dance theory, any of those things that you brought up tonight

 

Does it exist? Who knows?  Who cares?

Does ANYBODY think a Sociology degree would automatically guarantee a six figure income?

How about a Gender Studies degree?

Right now, people graduating community colleges with skills like air conditions, auto mechanics, electronics, plumbing are starting out in six figures, without the enormous student loans.

[robosmith]

30 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Nope. Salon IS extremist, Nazi and communist. It is a HATE source (like the Democrat party). The horrific LIES in that article about Republicans PROVES Salon is a goose stepping group of extremist CREEPS.

Just as I thought, you HAVE NO EVIDENCE for your claims.

30 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Biden did NOT get 81 million legal votes. He LOST to Trump in actual votes and it took 2000 Mules to steal the election.

2000 Mules has been thoroughly debunked. Cell tower pings do NOT prove users were CLOSE, let alone ballots were dropped.

30 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Biden campaigned from a basement. He lost all the debates with Trump. The senile old racist has trouble finishing sentences.

There is no way most of America legally voted for him.

^This "impeccable" logic is JUST BULLSHIT. You got nothing but trolling.

 

[reason10]

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Just as I thought, you HAVE NO EVIDENCE for your claims.

The sheer hateful nature of that post is the evidence.

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2000 Mules has been thoroughly debunked. Cell tower pings do NOT prove users were CLOSE, let alone ballots were dropped.

2000 Mules was based on hard fact, whether your side of the aisle likes it or not.

https://www.crisismagazine.com/2022/2000-mules-and-the-big-truth

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There are some who dismiss 2000 Mules and its use of cell phone location technology, but it is very difficult to regard it as anything short of proof that something was very awry about the vote count in these swing states. And further, that it is almost a matter of certainty that the election was stolen. D’Souza provides clear and objective evidence of organized criminal action surrounding the harvesting of ballots and an explanation for the bizarre reversal that Americans witnessed on the morning after election day—when most went to bed with Trump firmly in the lead and woke up to find Biden suddenly in the lead. The media crowed that there had never been such a comeback in history. But many found it implausible if not impossible. Even as CNN and NPR pounded away with assertions that there was definitely nothing shady going on, many felt something was definitely wrong.

I'm afraid you've lost this argument.

[reason10]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Just as I thought, you HAVE NO EVIDENCE for your claims.

2000 Mules has been thoroughly debunked. Cell tower pings do NOT prove users were CLOSE, let alone ballots were dropped.

^This "impeccable" logic is JUST BULLSHIT. You got nothing but trolling.

 

I do not present alternative theories, opinions and facts for the sole purpose of causing trouble. That is the definition of trolling. I have presented HONEST assessments based on reliable sources and facts.

You have lost this argument. The person who defeated you in this argument is not a troll. He has no purpose other than discussion of the issues.

Calling someone a troll is the sign of an immature, entitled, triggered, sore loser.

You have LOST this argument.

[robosmith]

8 minutes ago, reason10 said:

The sheer hateful nature of that post is the evidence.

^This opinion proves NOTHING except your arrogance.

8 minutes ago, reason10 said:

2000 Mules was based on hard fact, whether your side of the aisle likes it or not.

https://www.crisismagazine.com/2022/2000-mules-and-the-big-truth

No evidence ^here; just opinion. Not even technical details justifying their pretend location accuracy.

3/4 of a mile is NOT close enough to drop ballots. Duh.

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Using cell towers to detect location is not as accurate as GPS. Locating a mobile phone based on a single cell tower can place the mobile phone in a broad area, but it cannot pinpoint it. As the phone connects to more towers, the accuracy improves. By using cell tower triangulation (3 towers), it is possible to determine a phone location to within an area of about ¾ square mile.

8 minutes ago, reason10 said:

I'm afraid you've lost this argument.

ONLY in your addled mind.

[reason10]

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This opinion proves NOTHING except your arrogance.

I just own the truth. That's not arrogance. Your sources are goose steppers. PERIOD.

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No evidence ^here; just opinion. Not even technical details justifying their pretend location accuracy.

Educated people who read that see the facts.

 

And the fact that you would link to a Nazi/Communist hate group like Salon shows your extremist left wing goose stepping nature is the most unreliable measure of facts.

You have LOST this argument. Educated people understand that.

What's next? Burning a cross at Mar A Lago, like your Democrat predecessors would have done?