Humans CANNOT change the climate of a planet

[Nationalist]

GREENIES:

Lets "assume" all your fear-porn is correct. Tell me...what do you propose to do about it? So far, it appears your howlings focus on North America and Europe. Interestingly enough, Europe ran into a wall called NO POWER OR HEAT. North America is being lectured to buy wildly expensive cars, pay taxes on carbon on a carbon-based planet no less, and cut fossil fuel production.

In the meantime...we have fields of mirrors and windmills, none of which can reliably power and heat our societies. So that may help a little, but which of you are willing to sacrifice your standard of living for this folly? What happens when your family member is on the operating table and the power goes out? Will you run right out and blow furiously at the local windmill farm?

In the meantime, India and China are burning coal like crazy. But you don't even acknowledge that.

GREENIES...calm down and find a REALISTIC solution to your fear-porn, and I'll be on your side. But until then...

You're all just a bunch of UNREALISTIC kids, running around in a mad panic, while you piss into a windstorm.

GROW UP for Gawd's Sake!

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Dude you realize that article is sarcastic and makes fun of climate deniers like yourself right?  I mean right in the section you quoted the author doubts that Miami or polar ice caps ever existed. Further on in the article he doubts the existence of cows.   

That's what happens when you just read headlines.

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Dean Burnett doesn’t actually agree with any of the claims in this piece, but don’t let that stop you commenting or shouting at him on Twitter

 

[Aristides]

 

 

 

 

https://www.livescience.com/65302-greenland-ice-melting-so-much-faster.html

And then there is Antarctic glacial ice loss

https://grace.jpl.nasa.gov/resources/31/antarctic-ice-loss-2002-2020/

If the Greenland ice sheet melts completely, forget Hawaii vacations, Waikiki will be under water.

Edited October 17, 2022 by Aristides

[Rebound]

47 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

GREENIES:

Lets "assume" all your fear-porn is correct. Tell me...what do you propose to do about it? So far, it appears your howlings focus on North America and Europe. Interestingly enough, Europe ran into a wall called NO POWER OR HEAT. North America is being lectured to buy wildly expensive cars, pay taxes on carbon on a carbon-based planet no less, and cut fossil fuel production.

In the meantime...we have fields of mirrors and windmills, none of which can reliably power and heat our societies. So that may help a little, but which of you are willing to sacrifice your standard of living for this folly? What happens when your family member is on the operating table and the power goes out? Will you run right out and blow furiously at the local windmill farm?

In the meantime, India and China are burning coal like crazy. But you don't even acknowledge that.

GREENIES...calm down and find a REALISTIC solution to your fear-porn, and I'll be on your side. But until then...

You're all just a bunch of UNREALISTIC kids, running around in a mad panic, while you piss into a windstorm.

GROW UP for Gawd's Sake!

Let's analyze your brilliant assessment of Europe:

Huh. Europe builds lots and lots of green energy production. 

THEN, Russia almost instantly cuts off all of its natural gas supply to Europe. 

LUCKILY, that has no impact on the green energy production, does it? It's the F-ing petroleum that's the problem, not the green energy, genius. Interestly, hostile nations cannot block wind and sunlight. They can block petroleum shipments, but not sunshine and wind. 

[robosmith]

10 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Of course I clicked on it. Everything in my answer should have told you I clicked on it. 

Didn't need to though. I've seen it all before.

I wouldn't get stuck on that graph. It's not what passes for ultimate truth. The graphs were changed to create a kind of homogenized truth a few years back. Satellite graphs are the exception. It's a long story. It has to due with a climate pause where warming stopped showing up for awhile so this guy who's more a political favorite than a scientist gathered some agreeable scientists together and they decided that because there was a switch in how ocean temps were taken from submarines around the time of the second world war the current measurements had to be massaged to take out the climate pause. All the land and ocean based gatherers of temperature data complied. Previously all graphs looked slightly different with NASA GISS having the most radical ones. 

Warming tends to happen in steps though. Emphasis on the angle is deceptive in general. What actually happened was there was a super El Nino in 1998. That was the final real step in warming so far. It's been leveling off since then. Even by eye you can see it on the satellite graph:

Also, I hope you noticed how this radical rise they create on your graph can only happen because they measure in tenths of a degree. If they measured in full degrees you wouldn't even notice the slope.

Even on your graph though 1 degree from 1980 or 1.5 from 1880 is not that scary. 

Sorry, not buying your conspiracy theory. Al Gore does not have the power to get climate scientists to lie about the data, just cause you and Watt don't understand what they've done.

Meanwhile, the Little Ice Age ended by 1850 and temps have risen dramatically (1C) ABOVE the previous long term stasis.

 

 

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

GREENIES:

In the meantime...we have fields of mirrors and windmills, none of which can reliably power and heat our societies.

You're totally full of shit. You're just a big fat liar, and you know it.

I've told you over and over:

• Half the electricity generated in all of Denmark comes from wind.
• Half of the electricity generated in all of Iowa comes from wind.
• Nine percent of all total electricity generated in the United States comes from wind.

Yet, you still lie your ass off, and claim wind cannot reliably power our societies, when it already is!!!

Hell, you're such a windbag that there's probably enough wind coming out of your ass to power half the factories in China.

 

Edited October 17, 2022 by Rebound

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

GREENIES:

Lets "assume" all your fear-porn is correct. Tell me...what do you propose to do about it? So far, it appears your howlings focus on North America and Europe. Interestingly enough, Europe ran into a wall called NO POWER OR HEAT. North America is being lectured to buy wildly expensive cars, pay taxes on carbon on a carbon-based planet no less, and cut fossil fuel production.

In the meantime...we have fields of mirrors and windmills, none of which can reliably power and heat our societies. So that may help a little, but which of you are willing to sacrifice your standard of living for this folly? What happens when your family member is on the operating table and the power goes out? Will you run right out and blow furiously at the local windmill farm?

In the meantime, India and China are burning coal like crazy. But you don't even acknowledge that.

GREENIES...calm down and find a REALISTIC solution to your fear-porn, and I'll be on your side. But until then...

You're all just a bunch of UNREALISTIC kids, running around in a mad panic, while you piss into a windstorm.

GROW UP for Gawd's Sake!

You're NOT the adult here. You're just clinging to the past with NO VISION for a solution.

Meanwhile last night on 60 Minutes, the answer was GIVEN TO YOU.

Powering England with the world's largest offshore wind farm

98% reliability. 3GW of power.

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We have a long way to go. There are only seven offshore wind turbines off the coast of the United States compared to nearly 6,000 in Europe.

 

 

[Nationalist]

55 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Let's analyze your brilliant assessment of Europe:

Huh. Europe builds lots and lots of green energy production. 

THEN, Russia almost instantly cuts off all of its natural gas supply to Europe. 

LUCKILY, that has no impact on the green energy production, does it? It's the F-ing petroleum that's the problem, not the green energy, genius. Interestly, hostile nations cannot block wind and sunlight. They can block petroleum shipments, but not sunshine and wind. 

Do you really think the fuel shortage in Europe began when Germany refused the Nordstream pipelines?

And...do you really think mirrors and windmills can power Europe?

[Nationalist]

25 minutes ago, Rebound said:

You're totally full of shit. You're just a big fat liar, and you know it.

I've told you over and over:

• Half the electricity generated in all of Denmark comes from wind.
• Half of the electricity generated in all of Iowa comes from wind.
• Nine percent of all total electricity generated in the United States comes from wind.

Yet, you still lie your ass off, and claim wind cannot reliably power our societies, when it already is!!!

Hell, you're such a windbag that there's probably enough wind coming out of your ass to power half the factories in China.

 

A whopping 9% you say. Well then...that changes everything.

Can you be any dumber?

[Rebound]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Do you really think the fuel shortage in Europe began when Germany refused the Nordstream pipelines?

And...do you really think mirrors and windmills can power Europe?

For one thing, a solar panel is not a mirror.

But.. yes, if wind already powers half of Denmark and half of Iowa, it can power virtually any nation. I mean, it's wind. The great thing about wind is that one windmill does not consume another windmill's energy. 

[Nationalist]

21 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You're NOT the adult here. You're just clinging to the past with NO VISION for a solution.

Meanwhile last night on 60 Minutes, the answer was GIVEN TO YOU.

Powering England with the world's largest offshore wind farm

98% reliability. 3GW of power.

 

 

Well you're certainly not.

As I said...find a realistic and reliable solution and I'll be all for it.

Until then...only a fool throws out his old shoes, before he has a new pair.

[Rebound]

Just now, Nationalist said:

A whopping 9% you say. Well then...that changes everything.

Can you be any dumber?

Can you? Really, you are a knuckle-dragger and a disgusting, stupid liar.

Wind power is new to America. In 1990, wind provided less than 1% of America's electricity, and now it's over 9%.

Now, you ought to be able to figure out that we aren't going to tear down all of our electrical plants overnight. The Nine Percent becomes Twenty Percent and then Fifty Percent. This isn't Harry Potter; these things take time. 

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, Rebound said:

For one thing, a solar panel is not a mirror.

But.. yes, if wind already powers half of Denmark and half of Iowa, it can power virtually any nation. I mean, it's wind. The great thing about wind is that one windmill does not consume another windmill's energy. 

OK...you run right over to Germany and tell them this.

Wear a bullet proof vest.

Edited October 17, 2022 by Nationalist

[robosmith]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Well you're certainly not.

As I said...find a realistic and reliable solution and I'll be all for it.

Until then...only a fool throws out his old shoes, before he has a new pair.

Grimsby wind farm IS the new pair of shoes. 3GW, 98% reliability. 

Sorry you MISSED THAT.

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

Can you? Really, you are a knuckle-dragger and a disgusting, stupid liar.

Wind power is new to America. In 1990, wind provided less than 1% of America's electricity, and now it's over 9%.

Now, you ought to be able to figure out that we aren't going to tear down all of our electrical plants overnight. The Nine Percent becomes Twenty Percent and then Fifty Percent. This isn't Harry Potter; these things take time. 

LOL...so in 30+ years, they've graduated from 1% to 9%. OH GOODY!

Indeed...it DOES take time.

But we "knucle-draggers" would prefer to have a reliable energy source UNTIL THAT TIME!

Dear Gawd...please...stop making stupid people for at least a while...ok?

[Rebound]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Well you're certainly not.

As I said...find a realistic and reliable solution and I'll be all for it.

Until then...only a fool throws out his old shoes, before he has a new pair.

Speaking of fools... do you have any clue whatsoever of how many gigawatts Nine Percent is?

America generated over Four Trillion kWh of electricity last year. That means windmills generated Forty Billion kWh of electricity last year in the US alone. 

[Rebound]

Just now, Nationalist said:

LOL...so in 30+ years, they've graduated from 1% to 9%. OH GOODY!

Indeed...it DOES take time.

But we "knucle-draggers" would prefer to have a reliable energy source UNTIL THAT TIME!

Dear Gawd...please...stop making stupid people for at least a while...ok?

What on Earth are you talking about? 

In thirty years, we've developed the technology to make wind the cheapest, cleanest, and most effective way to increase electricity production. We can easily double or quadruple our wind generation. And next time Saudi Arabia or Iran or Russia wants to stop shipping oil, they can go screw themselves. 

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

Grimsby wind farm IS the new pair of shoes. 3GW, 98% reliability. 

Sorry you MISSED THAT.

Indeed. As long as they work...they can supposedly power 2,000,000 homes a day.

There are roughly 30,000,000 homes in England.

We'll talk like adults...as I assume by the time this Green windmill thing actually services the entire population...you'll be about 100 years old.

In the meantime, everyone will suffer lack of power.

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Speaking of fools... do you have any clue whatsoever of how many gigawatts Nine Percent is?

America generated over Four Trillion kWh of electricity last year. That means windmills generated Forty Billion kWh of electricity last year in the US alone. 

You say that as if it matters.

IT DOES NOT!

Quit punishing the entire population with insane fuel prices and lack of power.

When a reliable source of power is found...I'll help you build it.

Until them...go play video games.

[Nationalist]

9 minutes ago, Rebound said:

What on Earth are you talking about? 

In thirty years, we've developed the technology to make wind the cheapest, cleanest, and most effective way to increase electricity production. We can easily double or quadruple our wind generation. And next time Saudi Arabia or Iran or Russia wants to stop shipping oil, they can go screw themselves. 

Good luck with that.

[Rebound]

11 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Indeed. As long as they work...they can supposedly power 2,000,000 homes a day.

There are roughly 30,000,000 homes in England.

We'll talk like adults...as I assume by the time this Green windmill thing actually services the entire population...you'll be about 100 years old.

In the meantime, everyone will suffer lack of power.

Dude...

We aren't going to decommission every power plant in America overnight. We don't need to. Nobody is saying that.

Gasoline is very expensive right now. Why? Because Demand is greater than Supply. So... if all increased electrical production shifts to wind and sun, and then wind and sun generate an additional 10 to 15% on top of that, petroleum and coal demand falls. And with lower demand comes lower prices. Get it? 

Same thing with the cars: If another 15% of the cars on the road are electric, gas prices drop, because demand drops. And carbon emissions drop as well.  So if lots of OTHER PEOPLE drive electric cars, your gas prices will fall. 

But, in any event, there is no practical pathway to stopping all petroleum consumption... there will be jet engines, and legacy engines, and need for lubricants, and military jets, etc., but who is telling you that we stop all petroleum use? Who is telling you that any of these green technology shifts will make your life any worse? 

Here are two things I know: Wind and solar can make for cheap, abundant electrical power. And that means a better lifestyle for all of us. Second, electric cars can be FASTER than gas-powered cars. Like... much faster. And far more reliable.

[robosmith]

40 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Indeed. As long as they work...they can supposedly power 2,000,000 homes a day.

There are roughly 30,000,000 homes in England.

We'll talk like adults...as I assume by the time this Green windmill thing actually services the entire population...you'll be about 100 years old.

In the meantime, everyone will suffer lack of power.

No, they won't. Other sources will be PHASED OUT as wind, and solar take over.

[Nationalist]

30 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Dude...

We aren't going to decommission every power plant in America overnight. We don't need to. Nobody is saying that.

Gasoline is very expensive right now. Why? Because Demand is greater than Supply. So... if all increased electrical production shifts to wind and sun, and then wind and sun generate an additional 10 to 15% on top of that, petroleum and coal demand falls. And with lower demand comes lower prices. Get it? 

Same thing with the cars: If another 15% of the cars on the road are electric, gas prices drop, because demand drops. And carbon emissions drop as well.  So if lots of OTHER PEOPLE drive electric cars, your gas prices will fall. 

But, in any event, there is no practical pathway to stopping all petroleum consumption... there will be jet engines, and legacy engines, and need for lubricants, and military jets, etc., but who is telling you that we stop all petroleum use? Who is telling you that any of these green technology shifts will make your life any worse? 

Here are two things I know: Wind and solar can make for cheap, abundant electrical power. And that means a better lifestyle for all of us. Second, electric cars can be FASTER than gas-powered cars. Like... much faster. And far more reliable.

What the POTUS and the Veep both say they want to ban fracking, ban land leases for oil drilling and so on and so forth, what do you think the fossil fuel industry is gonna do?

Gasoline IS expensive now. It wasn't, just a year and a half ago. What changed? It wasn't The Rona, because prices were still low for the first year of it. So what was it?

You are dreaming if you think the demand for fossil fuels is dropping.

Look...Biden and his Greenie handlers simply fcked up. They declared war on fossil fuels BEFORE they had a reliable substitute. Now OPEC is reducing production which is gonna further aggravate and already shitty and stupid situation, caused by gum-flapping and dumb-ass policies.

BTW...we do not need faster cars. We need safer cars. A month ago my own daughter got a Tesla. She's here right now charging the thing because...she ran out of power.

Build your windmills and fields of mirrors if you must. But DO NOT shit on that which we all rely on, until you can replace it reliably.

[Nationalist]

35 minutes ago, robosmith said:

No, they won't. Other sources will be PHASED OUT as wind, and solar take over.

So I take it you don't pay the bills in your home?

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Sorry, not buying your conspiracy theory. Al Gore does not have the power to get climate scientists to lie about the data, just cause you and Watt don't understand what they've done.

Meanwhile, the Little Ice Age ended by 1850 and temps have risen dramatically (1C) ABOVE the previous long term stasis.

 

 

Again man, I just shake my head at you guys, sometimes, on this issue.

You're convinced you're experts but there is so much basic stuff you don't seem to know.

That graph above is something called "the Hockey Stick Graph".

You need to look it up. I'm not going to look up basic stuff for you that you should know. But I'll give you a spoiler. Michael Mann's Hockey Stick Graph been debunked beyond any point that anybody but a complete sucker could take seriously. I will give you links to the debunking once you show me you've at least caught up on the basics.

That pic looks like it came from Wikipedia. Did it? Tell me if it did and I'll tell you an interesting story about why you can't trust Wikipedia on the global warming issue. I may even give you links?