blackbird Posted October 9, 2022 Report Share Posted October 9, 2022 We can thank the BC NDP, federal Liberals and the perverse justice system for this attack. Man arrested following stabbing spree in Vancouver park (msn.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 Bill C-75. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Aristides said: Bill C-75. What about it? It's a big bill. Real big. There does seem to be more and more mass stabbings lately though. Pretty sure there was another one in Langley a few months ago. Then then was that big one with all the murders on the Indian reserve. Others too, I think. Apparently they're a real big problem in China but the media tries to keep it quiet. Edited October 11, 2022 by Infidel Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 And how is the government responsible for a man randomly stabbing people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: What about it? It's a big bill. Real big. There does seem to be more and more mass stabbings lately though. Pretty sure there was another one in Langley a few months ago. Then then was that big one with all the murders on the Indian reserve. Others too, I think. Apparently they're a real big problem in China but the media tries to keep it quiet. It is a big bill, it's an omnibus bill that the Liberals used to rant about when they were in opposition. Bill C-75 makes it almost impossible to hold the people who are making these random attacks, that's why you see people arrested for these crimes and immediately put back on the street even though they have caused severe injuries to their victims. Courts are next to useless when it comes to protecting the public. The default position of the courts when a person violates conditions of release, is to just remove the condition. This just happened with a 17 year old in our town who continually violated a court imposed curfew. What does that teach a 17 year old other than he can get away with anything. Edited October 11, 2022 by Aristides 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) Quote The Court emphasized a number of key principles and guidelines to apply in a contested bail hearing, including that releasing the accused without conditions should be the default position when granting release and that “release is favoured at the earliest reasonable opportunity on the least onerous grounds." Edited October 11, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted October 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: And how is the government responsible for a man randomly stabbing people? Many if not all these stabbings are done by repeat offenders who have gone through the revolving door repeatedly. They have been arrested by police, brought before the court and released on conditions, which they ignored. Some are seriously mentally ill. They should have either been locked in prison or should be in a mental institution. The protection of the public should come first, not the offender's right to be free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted October 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 20 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: And how is the government responsible for a man randomly stabbing people? If you don't understand that governments are responsible for law and order and protecting the public, you have a serious problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 minute ago, blackbird said: Many if not all these stabbings are done by repeat offenders who have gone through the revolving door repeatedly. They have been arrested by police, brought before the court and released on conditions, which they ignored. Some are seriously mentally ill. They should have either been locked in prison or should be in a mental institution. The protection of the public should come first, not the offender's right to be free. Didn't read any of your suppositions in the article. As a supposed christian, you sure do lay blame, make assumptions and accusations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 Just now, blackbird said: If you don't understand that governments are responsible for law and order and protecting the public, you have a serious problem. And what do you, as a christian do? Assume everyone is a criminal?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 Just now, ExFlyer said: Didn't read any of your suppositions in the article. As a supposed christian, you sure do lay blame, make assumptions and accusations. It's been happening on a daily basis in Vancouver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Aristides said: It's been happening on a daily basis in Vancouver. I am from Vancouver. Downtown East Hastings was a crap hole of a place when I was growing up many decades ago. It is just a bigger hole now. Allowing camping out in Stanley Park only invites the right people doing the right things? LOL Crime, stabbings, shootings etc happen all over and has been going on forever. Some by repeat offenders, some by new offenders, some by pissed off people. It's all the governments fault? LOL Edited October 11, 2022 by ExFlyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 Just now, ExFlyer said: I am from Vancouver. Downtown East Hastings was a crap hole of a place when I was growing up many decades ago. It is just a bigger hole now. Crime, stabbings, shootings etc happen all over and has been going on forever. Some by repeat offenders, some by new offenders, some by pissed off people. It's all the governments fault? LOL It's up to governments to do something about it. They aren't. In fact they have been making things worse. That quote I posted is from the Federal government's own overview of C-75. https://justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/csj-sjc/jsp-sjp/c75/p3.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 30 minutes ago, Aristides said: It's up to governments to do something about it. They aren't. In fact they have been making things worse. That quote I posted is from the Federal government's own overview of C-75. https://justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/csj-sjc/jsp-sjp/c75/p3.html The government makes the laws. Police enforce the laws (if not defunded) People commit the crimes. Yes, the overview is what is in the Bill. What is the problem with the Bill? It is what the people wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: And what do you, as a christian do? Assume everyone is a criminal?? I would have hoped this sort of cheapness beneath you. Why should Christians not want law and order? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: The government makes the laws. Police enforce the laws (if not defunded) People commit the crimes. Yes, the overview is what is in the Bill. What is the problem with the Bill? It is what the people wanted. Read the quote from the bill. It doesn't matter what the police do if the courts put violent offenders right back on the street. Why do you say it is what the people wanted? Since when did the people have a say in how the justice system operates? I think this will be a real issue in the next election. Edited October 11, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 25 minutes ago, Nationalist said: I would have hoped this sort of cheapness beneath you. Why should Christians not want law and order? It normally is but, when a person preaches, they need act upon it too. His/Her post was not law and order, it was blaming something that is not in control of the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: It normally is but, when a person preaches, they need act upon it too. His/Her post was not law and order, it was blaming something that is not in control of the situation. You think releasing offenders back into public is a good idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 16 minutes ago, Aristides said: Read the quote from the bill. It doesn't matter what the police do if the courts put violent offenders right back on the street. Why do you say it is what the people wanted? Since when did the people have a say in how the justice system operates? I think this will be a real issue in the next election. I read the quote. It has long been an issue of keeping people incarcerated too long. Activists and others have demand they be released and rehabilitated in the community. Parole was deemed more punishment. So, they are released. The"people" are organizations and activists that have lobbyed the governments and won. My comment to the OP was that the article did not identify who the attacker was so they cannot and should not make assumptions they cannot support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nationalist said: You think releasing offenders back into public is a good idea? Nope but I did not lobby the government to lessen imprisonment and rehabilitate in the community. Having said that, my initial comment was to question the assumption is was a released criminal when there was no report of that in the article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted October 12, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) A man was just released today after assaulting a woman on Sept. 27 with a pipe, even though he has 30 convictions including many assault convictions. Incredible. This is an almost daily occurrence. When will the government and legal system act to protect the citizens? I would not feel safe in Vancouver or many other cities. Edited October 12, 2022 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted October 12, 2022 Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 12 hours ago, blackbird said: A man was just released today after assaulting a woman on Sept. 27 with a pipe, even though he has 30 convictions including many assault convictions. Incredible. This is an almost daily occurrence. When will the government and legal system act to protect the citizens? I would not feel safe in Vancouver or many other cities. Cite? That was not in the article you linked. Pay for more police. Do not hamper the police. Don't allow encampments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted October 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2022 We just heard on the BCTV news that the man charged with 1st degree murder of an RCMP officer at his tent in a Burnaby park has a record of violent assaults and yet he was out on conditions. Just another example of the failed justice system that cost this young RCMP officer her life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted October 20, 2022 Report Share Posted October 20, 2022 This article would seem to fit in nicely here. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/the-justice-system-that-refuses-to-stop-releasing-violent-criminals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 20, 2022 Report Share Posted October 20, 2022 Par for the course these days. When they breach their conditions, the conditions just get removed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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