Russian Army collapsing - the unsurprising failure of a police-state

[Nationalist]

55 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You certainly do.

Do I? I think you're dreaming. 

[Nationalist]

11 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

None of what I said is contradicted in that link. 

It chronicles what happened. The people declared independence from Ukraine...and Ukraine responded by attacking.

Rather simple really.

[BeaverFever]

17 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

It chronicles what happened. The people declared independence from Ukraine...and Ukraine responded by attacking.

Rather simple really.

Your summary of it is False. “The people” didn’t declare independence, an armed rebel militia force created by Russia did. And Ukraine attached that rebel militia  force, not “the people”. 

Edited October 24, 2022 by BeaverFever

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Your summary of it is False. “The people” didn’t declare independence, an armed rebel militia force created by Russia did. And Ukraine attached that rebel militia  force, not “the people”. 

Lol...ya right. You really should read more than your MSM.

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...ya right. You really should read more than your MSM.

and you should go back to read more of your basement blogs.  Angry neckbeards around the world have lots more super-factualish stuff to say about the MSM, Spooks, Klaus Schwab and the brave struggle of Sadimir Putin.  ?

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

and you should go back to read more of your basement blogs.  Angry neckbeards around the world have lots more super-factualish stuff to say about the MSM, Spooks, Klaus Schwab and the brave struggle of Sadimir Putin.  ?

I will seek and promote truth.

Even if it rubs you the wrong way...

Maybe you shouldn't rub yourself so much?

[Moonbox]

13 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I will seek and promote truth content that says the things I want to hear, no matter the source.

There you go.  Fixed that for you! ?

Edited October 24, 2022 by Moonbox

[Nationalist]

9 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

There you go.  Fixed that for you! ?

Changing peoples' statements again I see.

Your desperation is monumental.

[Moonbox]

I think I made it pretty clear I was editing your quote for rhetorical effect ?.

Your faux-outrage, as usual, fizzles out.

 

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Those are Russia’s allies so that gives you a sense of who you’re in bed with.

I'm not Russia's ally. I never said that we should bomb Ukraine, or that we should impose sanctions on them.

I'm just not Ukraine's ally, and our gov't shouldn't be supporting their bullshit.

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I can’t wait to hear how you think I have “pro-Saudi energy policies” considering the left is doing all it can to make the Saudis’ sole asset, fossil fuels, obsolete while the right is doing everything possible to ensure that their sole asset continues to control the world economy. 

That's next-level stupidity right there.

FYI the left is not doing anything to make fossil fuels obsolete that the right isn't doing. No one is against green technology, regardless of what your handlers tell you. 

The only thing that leftards are doing that conservatives aren't is killing the energy sector in NA. 

Can you guess who profits when oil production in Alberta and the US goes down? When coal is no longer used here? When nuclear power plants are shut down...?

I know you won't get it right, so I'll tell you: Russia benefits. Saudi Arabia benefits. Iran benefits. Venezuela benefits. Basically all the commies, religious bigots and fascists benefit. And the leftists benefit by somehow managing to get your vote after all that. 

Do you know who gets hurt the most? The poorest people. Trudeau can gas up his jets and pollute like a mofo when gas is at $10/ltr. Poor people won't be able to drive, heat their homes, or afford food. 

So if you're keeping score, the idiotic policies of the Dems and Libs that you embrace and even advocate for, support Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia et al, and hurt the poorest people in NA. 

Are you gonna pretend not to understand this now, as usual?

F off Beave. You're not 40+ or I wouldn't have to tell you these things. 

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

That’s false. Ukraine was ruled by a brutal anti-west, pro-Moscow Russian puppet until February 2014 when he fled to Moscow after a popular uprising.  Russia invaded within days of their puppet fleeing the country.

Not false at all. Here's Biden back in 2009 still pimping, pmping, pimping Ukraine in NATO ffs. https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/22/world/europe/22biden.html

Biden's quid pro quo, which helped his son's company there (Burisma), and helped to push Ukraine and Russia apart (if you're correct), didn't do anything to prevent war. It was in favour of war. 

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Russia is going to lose more than it could ever gain in this war, it is not about Ukraine now, it is about saving face, and if he does not he will be taken for a drive out into the forest never to be seen again.

Russia saves face by blaming a mad man, world gets back to normal that's the only route back to normalcy there is.  And the longer this thing drags on Russia will do something desperate that will drag NATO into it. And when it does it is going be over.

No one country is above international law, the basic laws that govern how each nation can interact with each other. Russia crossed the line. and will be held accountable. 

I don't know who's winning or losing because I'm in NA where only propaganda can reach me.

Where are you?

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...ya right. You really should read more than your MSM.

You really should drink more than your cult kool-aid

[BeaverFever]

50 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm not Russia's ally. I never said that we should bomb Ukraine, or that we should impose sanctions on them.

I'm just not Ukraine's ally, and our gov't shouldn't be supporting their bullshit.

That's next-level stupidity right there.

FYI the left is not doing anything to make fossil fuels obsolete that the right isn't doing. No one is against green technology, regardless of what your handlers tell you. 

The only thing that leftards are doing that conservatives aren't is killing the energy sector in NA. 

Can you guess who profits when oil production in Alberta and the US goes down? When coal is no longer used here? When nuclear power plants are shut down...?

I know you won't get it right, so I'll tell you: Russia benefits. Saudi Arabia benefits. Iran benefits. Venezuela benefits. Basically all the commies, religious bigots and fascists benefit. And the leftists benefit by somehow managing to get your vote after all that. 

Do you know who gets hurt the most? The poorest people. Trudeau can gas up his jets and pollute like a mofo when gas is at $10/ltr. Poor people won't be able to drive, heat their homes, or afford food. 

So if you're keeping score, the idiotic policies of the Dems and Libs that you embrace and even advocate for, support Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia et al, and hurt the poorest people in NA. 

Are you gonna pretend not to understand this now, as usual?

F off Beave. You're not 40+ or I wouldn't have to tell you these things. 

Oh please you’ve been shilling for Russia since February. 
 

Russia and Saudi just struck a new deal to cut production. And yes the right has been doing all kinds of things to kill or stall green energy including and especially climate denial. 
 

By the way it’s a myth that Suaids Russians etc don’t profit from NA oul. I once worked for a company that among other things owned natural gas wells in BC and AB and the Qataris were our partners on most of those wells. Oil and Gas companies are global multinationals they couldn’t give a flying f-ck about patriotism, the environment or anything elseexcept delivering profits to their global owners and investors many of  whom are Saudis and Russians among others.   The interests of oil and gas companies worldwide are aligned with each other and by extension the Saudis and Russians
 

If you didn’t have the mentality of a 12-yr old you would understand that. 

Edited October 24, 2022 by BeaverFever

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

You really should drink more than your cult kool-aid

I drink lots of kool-aid Beave. Red...blue...even green. Some I take semi-seriously...some I find ridiculously simple.

You?

[Moonbox]

40 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Not false at all. Here's Biden back in 2009 still pimping, pmping, pimping Ukraine in NATO ffs. https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/22/world/europe/22biden.html

That article doesn't prove anything you're saying it does.  

40 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Biden's quid pro quo, which helped his son's company there (Burisma), and helped to push Ukraine and Russia apart (if you're correct), didn't do anything to prevent war. It was in favour of war. 

Hunter Biden's relationship with Ukraine is stinky and can be smelled in High Heaven, but it wasn't "pro-war" or favor a war.  In a battle for the hearts and minds of Ukraine, the west beat Putin.  It's easy to understand why.  Russia is a poor, kleptocratic shithole and a Ukraine tied to Russia was never going to be anything more than a poorer, subservient partner to that.  In the West there was change and hope, and examples of prosperity that the average Russian could only dream of. 

I'd urge you to question why the entire Baltic region (Scandinavia now included) along with most of the Balkans and basically all of the former Soviet Union states in Europe are amongst the staunchest anti-Russians around, but I know you won't.  It's just Biden and spooks and Klaus Schwab again... ? 

[BeaverFever]

17 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I drink lots of kool-aid Beave. Red...blue...even green. Some I take semi-seriously...some I find ridiculously simple.

You?

I’m not a kool-aid drinker, I don’t like cults. Can’t wait to see if you’re going to end up like those cult members who castrate themselves while waiting for a UFO to beam them up. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Not false at all. Here's Biden back in 2009 still pimping, pmping, pimping Ukraine in NATO ffs. https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/22/world/europe/22biden.html

Biden's quid pro quo, which helped his son's company there (Burisma), and helped to push Ukraine and Russia apart (if you're correct), didn't do anything to prevent war. It was in favour of war. 

But that’s a link to the MSM….New York Times in fact!  Sp ot must be false?  It always amuses me how you’ll claim MSM and outlets like NYT especially are liberal propaganda amd then link to them whenever there’s a convenient moment of reality you’d like to recognize. 
 

What’s false is your claim that Russian aggression against Ukraine only resulted from US simply saying they would support Ukraines NATO bid if Ukraine would submit one. 
 

Do yourself a favour, read about Viktor Yanukovych. He’s the Russian puppet who, in 2004 and with the help of Russia, poisoned his pro-western election opponent and was subsequently ousted from power during the Orange Revolution, only to return years later in 2010 with the help of a Russian-rigged election after which commented a heavy handed reign of terror, persecution and corruption.  His reign included firing on unarmed civilians before he was again forced to flee in 2014, prompting Russia to invade Crimea and sponsor terrorist militias in the Donbas. 

[Nationalist]

42 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Oh please you’ve been shilling for Russia since February. 
 

Russia and Saudi just struck a new deal to cut production. And yes the right has been doing all kinds of things to kill or stall green energy including and especially climate denial. 
 

By the way it’s a myth that Suaids Russians etc don’t profit from NA oul. I once worked for a company that among other things owned natural gas wells in BC and AB and the Qataris were our partners on most of those wells. Oil and Gas companies are global multinationals they couldn’t give a flying f-ck about patriotism, the environment or anything elseexcept delivering profits to their global owners and investors many of  whom are Saudis and Russians among others.   The interests of oil and gas companies worldwide are aligned with each other and by extension the Saudis and Russians
 

If you didn’t have the mentality of a 12-yr old you would understand that. 

Welcome to the globalization of commerce Beave.

Isn't it grand?

[Nationalist]

31 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I’m not a kool-aid drinker, I don’t like cults. Can’t wait to see if you’re going to end up like those cult members who castrate themselves while waiting for a UFO to beam them up. 

That's a fat one. Beave...you are so deep into "cult" that you don't even recognize it.

And why do you know about people castrating themselves? What possible interest could someone have in such a subject?

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

That's a fat one. Beave...you are so deep into "cult" that you don't even recognize it.

And why do you know about people castrating themselves? What possible interest could someone have in such a subject?

Reality is not a cult, try not to be a kool-aid drinking Eunuch. 

Edited October 24, 2022 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

34 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Welcome to the globalization of commerce Beave.

Isn't it grand?

Conservatives have been telling us it’s grand for 40 years now.  The leaders of latest populist brand only pretend to suddenly believe otherwise in order to gain the support of the same working class people whose lives they helped destroy. 

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Conservatives have been telling us it’s grand for 40 years now.  The leaders of latest populist brand only pretend to suddenly believe otherwise in order to gain the support of the same working class people whose lives they helped destroy. 

Indeed I have to admit there is some truth in that.

Yes...conservatism has made a drastic change over the last decade. We're replacing that old guard with new...fresh minds who care more for their people, than for others. They also tend to produce better for the population, as evidenced once already.

Now the tables have been tuned and people now realize that all the Libbie talk of "compassion" and standing for the rights of the poor...is just a tarnished old lie that is now a joke.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Oh please you’ve been shilling for Russia since February. 

I'm not advocating to attack Ukraine or sanction them, I'm pointing out obvious truths which you choose not to see.

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Russia and Saudi just struck a new deal to cut production. And yes the right has been doing all kinds of things to kill or stall green energy including and especially climate denial. 

They get more $ per barrel right now, they don't have to sell as many to make the same amount of money, thanks to Biden and Trudeau.

Again, you'll pretend not to get it.

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By the way it’s a myth that Suaids Russians etc don’t profit from NA oul. I once worked for a company that among other things owned natural gas wells in BC and AB and the Qataris were our partners on most of those wells. Oil and Gas companies are global multinationals they couldn’t give a flying f-ck about patriotism, the environment or anything elseexcept delivering profits to their global owners and investors many of  whom are Saudis and Russians among others.   The interests of oil and gas companies worldwide are aligned with each other and by extension the Saudis and Russians

I'm well aware of foreigners here profiting from our oil. They're building what will be the largest mosque in NA in Fort McMurray. 

Regardless of what oil and gas companies want to do, there are regulations regarding what they have to do to clean up. The only way they get out of it is when they close up shop permanently, thanks to Trudeau's attacks on the energy sector. 

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If you didn’t have the mentality of a 12-yr old you would understand that. 

Oh stop, you were busted for your stupidity, just own it.

FYI Russians and Saudis make far more on their own product tan they do from investing here, and when Trudeau kills businesses here they're not the foreign companies with massive profits from their homeland backing them - it's our own smaller companies that are killed off.

Again, Trudeau and Biden are aiding foreign oil, just like they aided big pharma, just like they are aiding big tech, just like they helped the big box stores kill off competition during covid. 

Again, you won't understand any of this. I get it. My posts aren't for you though, they're for the 90% of the population that is smarter than you. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

That article doesn't prove anything you're saying it does.  

Yes it does. 

I said that Biden was pimping Ukraine in NATO before Crimea and that's exactly what that is.

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Hunter Biden's relationship with Ukraine is stinky and can be smelled in High Heaven, but it wasn't "pro-war" or favor a war. 

Hunter's lucrative influence peddling was part of Joe's Ukraine/US/NATO scandal.

The reason Biden was supposedly "cleaning up Ukraine" was to further their bid to get into NATO.

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  In a battle for the hearts and minds of Ukraine, the west beat Putin.  It's easy to understand why.  Russia is a poor, kleptocratic shithole and a Ukraine tied to Russia was never going to be anything more than a poorer, subservient partner to that.  In the West there was change and hope, and examples of prosperity that the average Russian could only dream of. 

Undeniably. Communism sucks, but for some reason leftists refuse to see it.

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I'd urge you to question why the entire Baltic region (Scandinavia now included) along with most of the Balkans and basically all of the former Soviet Union states in Europe are amongst the staunchest anti-Russians around, but I know you won't.  It's just Biden and spooks and Klaus Schwab again... ? 

They feel safer with NATO than Russia, which is smart. I don't blame them. NATO is far more power and NATO membership is economically advantageous. 

 

None of that means that Russia won't stop Ukraine from joining NATO. Biden's game is extremely risky, to the point f being catastrophically stupid.