CRTC call home

[myata]

After a massive service outage that lasted most of the day or for some, even longer Canadians are hoping for CRTC investigation.

Off the news "we can only hope CRTC will take a look at the situation".

But of course we can! We can hope for much more, like anything and why not timely CRTC action? Maybe it will want to. Or maybe it will not, too bad like it never happened. Seriously, who are you and who these offices and commissions (paid by you) are working for?

I think it's not by an accident this sort of innocent expressions are spilling out into our public psych. "Mandarins" and "czars" of public offices, only an innocent joke? Phoenix system, haha. No I think we may already know something deep inside, sure we try hard and earnest to not notice and tell ourselves nothing to worry but once in a while, subconsciously it would escape into a public open causing embarrassed silence. Yeah like who here wouldn't know that we can always hope? Why say it aloud?

[myata]

The whole foundation of the system: that a group of top bureaucrats obscenely paid out of public pocket would make best decisions in the interests of the whole country, with no transparency and accountability (recall CRTC head not recording his meetings with top private execs) is preposterous to the point of unbelievable in this century. Really can it, the credibility be stretched any further?

We need a modern representative parliament and a parliamentary commission on communications with full transparency to the public. At which point, when will this system fall behind the standard of modern representative democracy beyond any hope of catching up?

[ExFlyer]

You just need something to moan about??

What do you want the CRTC to do?

You don't even know why the network went down.

The CRTC is an administrative regulator, not a repair facility.

"Mandarins" and "czars" ?  "Phoenix system"? "bureaucrats obscenely paid out of public pocket"?

"We need a modern representative parliament and a parliamentary commission on communications with full transparency to the public."? For what? The tell private business how to do it? And you cry about too much government and now you want more??

I think you went through serious withdrawal when your Rogers network went down and you could not get online to whine  LOL

[myata]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

I think you went through serious withdrawal when your Rogers network went down and you could not get online to whine  LOL

Of course it can be challenging to see the connection between a third world public governance and a third world economy. Well, that cannot be helped. In some more advanced jurisdictions though, consumers can be entitled to a compensation in case of such a massive interruption of service. Maybe CRTC will get down to it too.. somewhere in the next century but I wouldn't bet on it.

[ExFlyer]

11 minutes ago, myata said:

Of course it can be challenging to see the connection between a third world public governance and a third world economy. Well, that cannot be helped. In some more advanced jurisdictions though, consumers can be entitled to a compensation in case of such a massive interruption of service. Maybe CRTC will get down to it too.. somewhere in the next century but I wouldn't bet on it.

WTF???

Off meds again??

[myata]

3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

WTF???

Very thoughtful.

3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Off meds again

Thanks for sharing, anyways

Edited July 9, 2022 by myata

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Very thoughtful.

Thanks for sharing, anyways

I said WTF because you made no sense. Your topic is CRTC and Rogers outage.

[OftenWrong]

This stinks like China to me.

Lest we forget- the Candian (sic) Government made an unpopular announcement about Huawei just about one month ago. Unpopular for China, that is.

China was already making threats in December.

Cong Peiwu, China’s ambassador to Canada, warned in December that Canada would “pay a price for their erroneous deeds and actions” if it were to ban Huawei.
(Globull)

 

[OftenWrong]

8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I said WTF because you made no sense. Your topic is CRTC and Rogers outage.

The CRTC regulates communications and the internet in Canada. If Canada's network is based on a monopoly where one company would take the whole show down, this needs a serious re-think. It's not about whether you can order your morning latte on your phone app. Millions of dollars in trade are being compromised.

Whether we were intentionally hacked by one of our enemies, or someone goofed up an upgrade, there should be an investigation into what happened.

Why we need a federal regulator is another issue.

[myata]

3 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Why we need a federal regulator is another issue.

And in the traditional for some 300 years format of obscenely paid, opaque not accountable to anybody bureaucracy. Like is it so obviously the best possible option?

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Whether we were intentionally hacked by one of our enemies, or someone goofed up an upgrade, there should be an investigation into what happened.

Why we need a federal regulator is another issue.

To investigate what happened so it can come up with more regulations.  I have little doubt all of your wishes will come true.

[myata]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

To investigate what happened so it can come up with more regulations.  I have little doubt all of your wishes will come true.

We are screwed either way. Without the commission we would have a cartel of monopolists with $100 Internet and $50 mobile bill (Europe: down to $10 / $5). And with the commission pretty much the same plus the bill for executive offices and exec lunches in the best restaurants. How can it be more efficient?

[ExFlyer]

15 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

The CRTC regulates communications and the internet in Canada. If Canada's network is based on a monopoly where one company would take the whole show down, this needs a serious re-think. It's not about whether you can order your morning latte on your phone app. Millions of dollars in trade are being compromised.

Whether we were intentionally hacked by one of our enemies, or someone goofed up an upgrade, there should be an investigation into what happened.

Why we need a federal regulator is another issue.

Firstly, CRTC does not regulate or impose maintenance or updates to any network or provider. The companies update and maintain their own networks and that is what Rogers said caused the outage.

Secondly, there are no monopolies in Canadian internet or wireless. There are over 250 providers on at least 5 networks (not sure of how many more in Quebec) Having said that, I would welcome more competition.

What would another regulator do??

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, myata said:

And in the traditional for some 300 years format of obscenely paid, opaque not accountable to anybody bureaucracy. Like is it so obviously the best possible option?

Another WTF??

 

[ExFlyer]

23 minutes ago, myata said:

We are screwed either way. Without the commission we would have a cartel of monopolists with $100 Internet and $50 mobile bill (Europe: down to $10 / $5). And with the commission pretty much the same plus the bill for executive offices and exec lunches in the best restaurants. How can it be more efficient?

Realistically and to be fair, it is far more expensive to provide internet/wireless in a country the size of Canada vs all the countries in Europe. Canada is more than twice the size of the entire European Union, which is made up of 28 countries (which all have their own internet /wireless regulators).

And your obsession with pay/lunches etc is nonsensical.

[Zeitgeist]

19 hours ago, myata said:

The whole foundation of the system: that a group of top bureaucrats obscenely paid out of public pocket would make best decisions in the interests of the whole country, with no transparency and accountability (recall CRTC head not recording his meetings with top private execs) is preposterous to the point of unbelievable in this century. Really can it, the credibility be stretched any further?

We need a modern representative parliament and a parliamentary commission on communications with full transparency to the public. At which point, when will this system fall behind the standard of modern representative democracy beyond any hope of catching up?

I want to see the CRTC gutted.  They add costs to consumers in the name of putting an unnecessary “Canadian” spin on broadcasting, internet, etc.  All these institutions are essentially duplicates of US institutions, but what do they give us?   Lousy options at high prices.  Now they want to further regulate what you say and how you say it, limit your economic opportunities, and finger wag about cultural content few want to watch.  You could justify some of this when Canada struggled to have its “voice”, but when some of the world’s biggest recording stars, directors, and writers are Canadian, I think we can move on.  I want a conservative government to eliminate as much of this bureaucracy as possible.  

[Zeitgeist]

27 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Firstly, CRTC does not regulate or impose maintenance or updates to any network or provider. The companies update and maintain their own networks and that is what Rogers said caused the outage.

Secondly, there are no monopolies in Canadian internet or wireless. There are over 250 providers on at least 5 networks (not sure of how many more in Quebec) Having said that, I would welcome more competition.

What would another regulator do??

What planet are you on?  There are two cross-Canada networks: Bell and Rogers.  All the other companies use their infrastructure.  It’s fake competition.  Let all the international players in.  Our cell data charges are among the highest in the world.  Bell and Rogers don’t need government protection.  They own us.  

[ExFlyer]

34 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

What planet are you on?  There are two cross-Canada networks: Bell and Rogers.  All the other companies use their infrastructure.  It’s fake competition.  Let all the international players in.  Our cell data charges are among the highest in the world.  Bell and Rogers don’t need government protection.  They own us.  

They may, in some circumstances use the same towers for wireless but the networks differ.

As I said, I am for more competition.

 

Edited July 10, 2022 by ExFlyer

[myata]

43 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

As I said, I am for more competition.

CRTC exists for over five decades. So why do we not have more competition? Why do we need an expensive bureaucratic commission on our, public dime if there are no visible results? The whole idea is nonsense - that a top paid bureaucrat by some strike of beavertale magic would care about interests of a regular Joe in the country. Of course they'll care about those like themselves, who they dine and play golf with, and no need for witnesses or public records. This happy buddy-buddy democracy will run straight into the state of Mexico democracy in no time, in historical terms. And why wouldn't it?

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, myata said:

CRTC exists for over five decades. So why do we not have more competition? Why do we need an expensive bureaucratic commission on our, public dime if there are no visible results? The whole idea is nonsense - that a top paid bureaucrat by some strike of beavertale magic would care about interests of a regular Joe in the country. Of course they'll care about those like themselves, who they dine and play golf with, and no need for witnesses or public records. This happy buddy-buddy democracy will run straight into the state of Mexico democracy in no time, in historical terms. And why wouldn't it?

Competition is not the preview of CRTC. That is all on your governments of the past 5 or more decades.

CRTC was to ensure Canadian content to prevent being over run by foreign propaganda (LOL). It has since become the authority for regulation and issuing air wave licensing and more.

It has also become the sounding bard for loud commercials, deemed inappropriate content over the air waves and anything else the public wishes to complain about. Rest assured there will be tons of complaints about the Rogers outages.

The US has the FCC, England has Ofcom and other countries have theirs.
Stop obsessing about the bureaucrats, it is what it is and bureaucrats are the working people of government. It is your MP's over the many decades and century that impose these regulations and laws and the workers enact and enforce them. Their pay is immaterial and is either negotiated or union contracted and what the employer is willing or able to pay, just like your wage.

You for sure are not a big picture person and live in a vacuum or hollow tube.

Edited July 10, 2022 by ExFlyer

[herbie]

By "competition" you mean allowing T-Mobile and Verizon in to suck money out of Canada, right?

They'd just join the circle jerk and offer an extra Gig for a dollar more or vice versa. Just like every ad from every carrier offering UNLIMITED access with a limit on the next line in small print. Nobody's even called them out over that!