WestCanMan Posted October 11, 2024 Report Posted October 11, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, User said: What are these "covid deaths" you speak of?You are the one who keeps speaking out of both sides of your mouth to say it was a lie, there were no deaths from covid, that they counted flu deaths as COVID deaths. These are Health Canada's own "COVID DEATH STATS" that terrify you to your core. So much so that you stand by while young people are forced to take the jab that they don't need. Do Health Canada's stats say that covid deaths went up by 30% in 2022 or don't they? Quote The issue is not my refusal to accept any fact, You're almost right, User. The issue isn't just that you won't accept any facts, it's that you still propagate lies that were exposed 2 years ago while you are ignoring facts. The only reason that you even have the option to ignore these facts is because I'm telling them to you. Health Canada, the LPOC and our MSM don't want you to know these facts. Isn't that weird? Our MSM bent over backwards to make the news all about covid for two years. Covid deaths, new variants, rising infections, rising hospitalizations, rising deaths, Trudeau is so awesome at fighting covid, Trump is so bad at fighting covid, Gov Cuomo deserves an Emmy for his covid-fighting heroaciousness, the virus came from a bat-pangolin-human interaction, saying that there's a BSL4 lab in Wuhan should get people kicked off of social media platforms, walking in an international didn't spread covid last week but this week walking outside in a sunny park spreads covid like widfire, only a vax can save us all, every scientist in the world knew that ivermectin wouldn't work don't be so stupid, every scientist in the world knew that HCQ wouldn't work don't be so stupid, everyone needs a vax, the safety and efficacy of the vax is 99%, we need vax mandates because some people are too stupid and evil to take it, we even need to force young people to vax, people can get the vax for little kids soon - YAY, this guy died from covid because he didn't get the vax, this vax-pimp died suddenly after vaxing and no one knows why but it wasn't because of the vax and anti-vaxers are saying mean things about him on social media, if you get the vax you're safe from covid, ignore the Israeli ICU data you won't get sick if you vax, if you get the vax you can't give covid to granny, people who didn't vax are racists and misogynists, you can get sick if you vax but you won't die, this guy makes plastic shields so that grocery store clerks don't die every time someone come to their till, this lady makes cotton masks in her garage so she's a hero, little kids need to wear masks, ok you can end up in hospital but not the ICU, everyone needs to stand exactly 6' apart so that you can't spread covid, the vax didn't work so great but there are boosters coming soon which are 99% effective and they're safe, only vaxed people should be allowed to be out in restaurants, young people who keep going to the gym are stupid, should we tolerate the unvaxxed, vax injuries are fake news, some people die after vaxing but only if they're really old and sick - it's not like with the unvaxxed who can die regardless of age and health, vax-induced deaths are fake news, we will eventually get around to finding out if that kid really died from the vax, where do anti-vaxers get all of their disinformation from, banning flights from China was racist but Trudeau banned flights from India because he's awesome, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc 24/7 for 2 full years. Then after finding ways to bombard us with covid fear porn for 2 full years, for some reason they missed their chance to say "Covid deaths are up by 30%". What? Isn't that kind of a big story? They didn't even warn us all that "THIS IS BY FAR THE WORST YEAR FOR COVID DEATHS AND HOSPITALIZATIONS"???? They never even said "THE 4x-VAXED ARE DYING FASTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE! IF THE JABS AREN'T WORKING, SHOULD WE ALL PANIC NOW?" WTF, user. Why did all talk of covid deaths suddenly cease? Can you guess, dimwit? Never mind what I believe, User. I'm just trying to acclimatize you to some facts that prove the jab didn't work. Do you believe that Health Canada's own stats say that covid deaths went up by 30% in 2022? Quote Do you now accept this as real? That these are actually numbers of COVID deaths or are you still pushing your conspiratorial nonsense that they are flu deaths and not covid deaths? I've been accepting what was real this whole time, dummy. My "reality" has never changed. I knew that we were being lied to in real time. Thousands of times over the past 4 years. The lies were really stupid - even you should have noticed them. WEg, we were told up until March 16th that it was perfectly normal for people from China to waltz around in our airports and there was nothing to fear, and then on March 23rd we were told that "even for Canadians to walk outside in the sunshine in provincial parks is a dire threat to us all, and the parks have to be closed for our safety". Did you not notice the stupidity and BS there User? Did you not get a gut feeling? Inkling? No sense of "Heyyyyyy, that seems kinda strange..." So, if you have believe all that BS all this time, why do you suddenly not believe them when THEY SAY covid deaths went up by 30% in 2022? This has nothing to do with me, dingus. I'm just the messenger. They're saying deaths went up by 30%. What say you to that? You don't need my approval to "tell the truth". Edited October 11, 2024 by WestCanMan Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
User Posted October 11, 2024 Report Posted October 11, 2024 3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: These are Health Canada's own "COVID DEATH STATS" that terrify you to your core. So much so that you stand by while young people are forced to take the jab that they don't need. Do Health Canada's stats say that covid deaths went up by 30% in 2022 or don't they? Why do you think something that isn't real would terrify me? 4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: You're almost right, User. The issue isn't just that you won't accept any facts, it's that you still propagate lies that were exposed 2 years ago while you are ignoring facts. What exactly are these lies I am propagating? What facts am I ignoring? Right now you are on here pushing numbers you don't even believe. 6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: The only reason that you even have the option to ignore these facts is because I'm telling them to you. Health Canada, the LPOC and our MSM don't want you to know these facts. Isn't that weird? What facts? Are you admitting you believe these numbers now, that they are real and accurate, that this many people did in fact die of COVID and there were no lies about flu deaths to get the $$$? 8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Our MSM bent over backwards... Yeah, I am not reading through that mess. 9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Then after finding ways to bombard us with covid fear porn for 2 full years, for some reason they missed their chance to say "Covid deaths are up by 30%". What? Isn't that kind of a big story? I don't follow Canadian news, but a quick google search shows this was reported on. Think the pandemic's over? Guess again: Year-end figures show COVID-19 tied to more deaths in 2022 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/covid-deaths-analysis-1.6699040 2022 was the deadliest year of the COVID-19 pandemic in B.C. What's next? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/2022-covid-year-in-review-1.6699063 So... now what is your big conspiracy theory excuse going to be? 20 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: They never even said "THE 4x-VAXED ARE DYING FASTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE! IF THE JABS AREN'T WORKING, SHOULD WE ALL PANIC NOW?" Still waiting for your evidence on this one. 20 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: WTF, user. Why did all talk of covid deaths suddenly cease? Can you guess, dimwit? It didn't. 21 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Never mind what I believe, User. I'm just trying to acclimatize you to some facts that prove the jab didn't work. Do you believe that Health Canada's own stats say that covid deaths went up by 30% in 2022? Again... you don't believe these stats... so how are you using them to argue the vaccine did not work? Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 11, 2024 Report Posted October 11, 2024 4 minutes ago, User said: Why do you think something that isn't real would terrify me? So you are saying that Health Canada's stats are fake now? Wow. That's unexpected. I thought you were a lifer. Quote https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/covid-deaths-analysis-1.6699040 Do you know that I spent all of 2022 telling the id10ts here, like @eyeball and @ExFlyer, that covid deaths were actually higher in Canada in 2022 than they were in 2021, and they didn't believe me? Not at all. The MSM wasn't talking about covid deaths at all in 2022, and one headline on Dec 31st doesn't change the overall narrative for that year. The aforementioned dimwits also didn't believe that any multi-vaxed people were dying of covid. They thought that the total was zero for a really long time, when in fact multi-vaxed people were always dying of covid, right from the start. Anyways, now that you posted that "record number of recorded covid deaths" info yourself, are you willing to admit that in 2022, after vaxing over 86% of our population, we had 30% more deaths than 2021? Once you admit to that, I can move on to stage 2: proving to you that the vast majority of covid deaths n 2022 were among the multi-jabbed. It's an important step in the journey to you finally realizing that there was never any reason for jabbing healthy young people. Once you understand that, I will talk to you about how it affected those people WHO NEVER F'ING NEEDED A JAB IN THE FIRST PLACE. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
User Posted October 11, 2024 Report Posted October 11, 2024 32 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: So you are saying that Health Canada's stats are fake now? Wow. That's unexpected. I thought you were a lifer. No, I was quite clear. Would you like me to cut and paste my response again? 46 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Do you know that I spent all of 2022 telling the id10ts here, like @eyeball and @ExFlyer, that covid deaths were actually higher in Canada in 2022 than they were in 2021, and they didn't believe me? Not at all. I was not here, didn't know that. You can clearly see it was in fact reported on. Your claim was that it was not. However, you are still here pushing this deceitful nonsense. You don't believe any of these stats. 48 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: The MSM wasn't talking about covid deaths at all in 2022, and one headline on Dec 31st doesn't change the overall narrative for that year. It was not one headline, I posted 2, I can spam this forum with more. Your argument was not merely they didn't want anyone to know the narrative for the year, it was that they were hiding this from everyone. Clearly not. You got called out for your BS and are cowardly trying to move the goal posts. 50 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Anyways, now that you posted that "record number of recorded covid deaths" info yourself, are you willing to admit that in 2022, after vaxing over 86% of our population, we had 30% more deaths than 2021? The problem has never been with me admitting anything. It has been with your pushing things you don't even believe. 51 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Once you admit to that, I can move on to stage 2: proving to you that the vast majority of covid deaths n 2022 were among the multi-jabbed. Again, the entire foundation of your argument is something you don't even believe. It is comically sad how far gone you are down this conspiratorial BS hole you are trapped in. Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 11, 2024 Report Posted October 11, 2024 14 minutes ago, User said: No, Are you willing to admit that in 2022, after vaxing over 86% of our population, Health Canada reported 30% more covid deaths than 2021? Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
User Posted October 11, 2024 Report Posted October 11, 2024 Just now, WestCanMan said: Are you willing to admit that in 2022, after vaxing over 86% of our population, Health Canada reported 30% more covid deaths than 2021? Are you willing to admit that you actually believe those numbers, that they are actual COVID deaths, and not also a bunch of flu deaths that were lied about and counted as COVID deaths for the $$$? Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 11, 2024 Report Posted October 11, 2024 5 minutes ago, User said: Are you willing to admit that you actually believe those numbers, that they are actual COVID deaths, The 2022 "covid deaths" recorded by Health Canada are 100% consistent with the standards used to qualify deaths as being "covid deaths" in 2020 and 2021. The fact of the matter remains that they absolutely aren't all "deaths from covid" in the same sense as deaths from the Spanish flu were "deaths from the Spanish flu" (sorry if that's over your head). Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
User Posted October 11, 2024 Report Posted October 11, 2024 Just now, WestCanMan said: The 2022 "covid deaths" recorded by Health Canada are 100% consistent with the standards used to qualify deaths as being "covid deaths" in 2020 and 2021. The fact of the matter remains that they absolutely aren't all "deaths from covid" in the same sense as deaths from the Spanish flu were "deaths from the Spanish flu" (sorry if that's over your head). Not over my head at all. So, how many of those deaths were from COVID then and what is your evidence? What is the real number of COVID deaths according to you and what evidence do you have? And again... you are trying to use numbers you don't believe to make an argument about the vaccine. It is deceitful and illogical, undermining any argument you have. Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 11, 2024 Report Posted October 11, 2024 Just now, User said: Not over my head at all. 🤣 Fat chance. Prove it then... and: Are you willing to admit that in 2022, after vaxing over 86% of our population, Health Canada reported 30% more covid deaths than 2021? Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
User Posted October 11, 2024 Report Posted October 11, 2024 4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Are you willing to admit that in 2022, after vaxing over 86% of our population, Health Canada reported 30% more covid deaths than 2021? Are you willing to admit that you actually believe those numbers, that they are actual COVID deaths, and not also a bunch of flu deaths that were lied about and counted as COVID deaths for the $$$? Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 11, 2024 Report Posted October 11, 2024 25 minutes ago, User said: Are you willing to admit that you actually believe those numbers, that they are actual COVID deaths, and not also a bunch of flu deaths that were lied about and counted as COVID deaths for the $$$? Those are not "deaths from covid". Nor are the 2020 or 2021 deaths. But that's not germane to what we're discussing right now. In order for you to understand this topic, you need to consider what Health Canada was saying every day during the pandemic. You need to understand that some of Health Canada's messages were relayed to the public with an intense sense of urgency, while other messages, of similar or far greater urgency, were withheld from the public. Do you want to know what the MSM clearly hid from you or not? Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
Goddess Posted October 12, 2024 Author Report Posted October 12, 2024 (edited) 9 hours ago, Aristides said: Be due for my eighth next month, just waiting for my invite. You realize you're the fringe minority now and no one thinks you're a hero for it anymore, right? Please tell us also when you have a prostate exam or get your Viagra prescription renewed. You know, since you believe medical decisions are no longer private and everything should be shared. Edited October 12, 2024 by Goddess Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
User Posted October 12, 2024 Report Posted October 12, 2024 16 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Those are not "deaths from covid". Nor are the 2020 or 2021 deaths. But that's not germane to what we're discussing right now. OK, so why do you keep citing them, then? 16 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Do you want to know what the MSM clearly hid from you or not? Well, so far, you are the one here lying about what happened. You claimed they were hiding something and I easily found the news articles in a 5 second google search showing otherwise. Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 13, 2024 Report Posted October 13, 2024 11 hours ago, User said: OK, so why do you keep citing them, then? Well, so far, you are the one here lying about what happened. You claimed they were hiding something and I easily found the news articles in a 5 second google search showing otherwise. No matter what anyone says, or what evidence is placed in front of you, you're gonna believe that "the vax was somehow a success despite the fact that deaths went up by 30% after we vaxed 85% of our country, and the vast majority of covid deaths were among the vaxed." The people who were injured and even killed by the vax don't matter to you. Sorry dude, you're just a cultist loser. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
User Posted October 13, 2024 Report Posted October 13, 2024 17 hours ago, WestCanMan said: No matter what anyone says, or what evidence is placed in front of you, you're gonna believe that "the vax was somehow a success despite the fact that deaths went up by 30% after we vaxed 85% of our country, and the vast majority of covid deaths were among the vaxed." The people who were injured and even killed by the vax don't matter to you. Sorry dude, you're just a cultist loser. Do you mean the evidence you don't even believe? LOL, sure, dude. I am not playing your dumb game where you claim you present evidence when you don't even believe it. Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 15, 2024 Report Posted October 15, 2024 On 10/13/2024 at 1:49 PM, User said: Do you mean the evidence you don't even believe? No, I mean "according to the Health Canada fear porn propaganda that sucked people like you in so firmly that you supported the injection of harmful substances into young adults and children who didn't need them". Quote LOL, sure, dude. I am not playing your dumb game where you claim you present evidence when you don't even believe it. I'm talking in your own terms, dude. I'm using stats from THE SOURCES THAT YOU PUT 100% FAITH IN. I proved that even by the standards YOU blindly cling to, at the exclusion of all else, the vax was an abject failure. You can't pull up any stats that show the jab was a success. None. Nt any. So instead you sit there sealioning and making snotty accusations. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
User Posted October 15, 2024 Report Posted October 15, 2024 6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: No, I mean "according to the Health Canada fear porn propaganda that sucked people like you in so firmly that you supported the injection of harmful substances into young adults and children who didn't need them". I am not Canadian. I didn't follow much of anything up there. I was not suckered into anything. How were these harmful? I have never said I supported their use in young adults or children unless they had some preexisting conditions or other underlying health issues that made them more vulnerable to COVID. 45 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: I'm talking in your own terms, dude. No, you are playing a dumb game pushing things you don't even believe are true. 47 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: I'm using stats from THE SOURCES THAT YOU PUT 100% FAITH IN. I proved that even by the standards YOU blindly cling to, at the exclusion of all else, the vax was an abject failure. I never claimed to put 100% faith into anything here. You can't argue the vaccine was a failure by using figures you don't even believe are true. 48 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: You can't pull up any stats that show the jab was a success. None. Nt any. So instead you sit there sealioning and making snotty accusations. Sure, I can. The vaccines significantly reduce the risk of hospitalization and death for people. There are tons of studies on this. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10893624/#:~:text=Studies indicate that completely vaccinated,8%2C 10–16]. Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 15, 2024 Report Posted October 15, 2024 2 hours ago, User said: How were these harmful? Thank you for acknowledging that you are wildly ignorant of the facts of this matter, both in terms of being aware of possible risks before the campaign started, and then in terms of what we now know about vax injuries. Quote I have never said I supported their use in young adults or children unless they had some preexisting conditions or other underlying health issues that made them more vulnerable to COVID. Yet you have never spoken against forcing people to take it, which is what this whole topic is centered around. The whole point about making the case that the jab didn't work anyways is in support of the statement "there was no known reason for/benefit to vaxxing young healthy people". If vaxing them stopped the spread, as Fauci said it would, then there would at least be a reason for youths taking it. There would be 3 considerations in vaxing youths: Do they need it Could it harm them Will it stop/significantly slow the spread 1: NOT AT ALL, no evidence ever suggested that healthy young people needed it 2: No one could know for sure that it didn't harm people for years and years 3: It did not stop/slow the sread, and Pfizer and Moderna apparently never tested for that, nor did they claim that they ever tested for that. Quote No, you are playing a dumb game pushing things you don't even believe are true. I'm posting things that vaxtards believe. The vaxtards' own source for stats. Things that vaxtards can't argue against. Quote Sure, I can. The vaccines significantly reduce the risk of hospitalization and death for people. There are tons of studies on this. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10893624/#:~:text=Studies indicate that completely vaccinated,8%2C 10–16]. You goy sucked in, child. There are no real-world test results that ever showed that a population would enjoy a lower covid mortality rate after a vaccination campaign: This research is a descriptive-analytical cross-sectional study. the study population consisted of patients with a positive RT-PCR test for coronavirus, admitted to COVID-19 departments of teaching hospitals in Yazd, Iran, during two months in the sixth peak of COVID-19. That's an oddly small region (600k people), and a very narrow time frame, which obviously resulted in a very small sample size, and it comes from a medical source that no one is going to consider "the epitome of procedural excellence and utmost integrity". Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
User Posted October 15, 2024 Report Posted October 15, 2024 2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Thank you for acknowledging that you are wildly ignorant of the facts of this matter, both in terms of being aware of possible risks before the campaign started, and then in terms of what we now know about vax injuries. Expecting you to defend your assertions is just that. Instead of doing so, you play these dumb games. 3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Yet you have never spoken against forcing people to take it, which is what this whole topic is centered around. I have been on this forum for about 6 months or something. That doesn't give you license to make up shit about me I have not said. And I have spoken close to this subject before, being opposed to mandates: 7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: The whole point about making the case that the jab didn't work anyways is in support of the statement "there was no known reason for/benefit to vaxxing young healthy people". Except... it did work. What you are trying to argue now is that seatbelts don't work on people who don't get into car crashes. Well... no, but they do work when you do. So, you admit the vaccine does work, just not of any real benefit to young healthy people? You are cool with advertising how it can help older people and those with more health risks that could complicate COVID? 9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: If vaxing them stopped the spread, as Fauci said it would, then there would at least be a reason for youths taking it. Vaccines work in more ways than stopping the spread, and they can be successful in more ways than stopping the spread. If the vaccine helps prevent serious illness, hospitalizations, and death, that is a success. 14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: I'm posting things that vaxtards believe. The vaxtards' own source for stats. Things that vaxtards can't argue against. Except... you don't believe its true and YOU are trying to use it to prove something else that YOU do believe. It is nonsensical gibberish. 16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: You goy sucked in, child. There are no real-world test results that ever showed that a population would enjoy a lower covid mortality rate after a vaccination campaign: I did not get sucked into anything. Your big complaint is that this was a study in Iran? Yawn. I can post studies all day long. The point is that you claimed I had nothing. Clearly, I do. Here you go, stats from a state in America, showing vaccinated vs unvaccinated in Hospitals for COVID https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-02/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf Dude, there is endless information just like this out there showing that the vaccines helped prevent serious illness and death. Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 15, 2024 Report Posted October 15, 2024 12 minutes ago, User said: Expecting you to defend your assertions is just that. Stop acting like you don't know about vax injuries, dumbass. Did the vaccines work in Canada, User? In my whole f'ing country? Vaccinating 85% of Canadians resulted in a 30% increase in deaths. What's even worse is that the total number of vaxed deaths in 2022 was higher than the total number of covid deaths in either previous year. Imagine: There were 15,000 covid deaths in 2020, when covid was a novel virus and there was no vaccine. There were 14,000 covid deaths in 2021. There were 16,000 vaxed covid deaths in 2022, plus 3,000 unvaxed. How successful does that look to you, honestly? All 16,000 of the vaxers who died in 2022 survived 2020 and 2021.... 😉 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
User Posted October 16, 2024 Report Posted October 16, 2024 5 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Stop acting like you don't know about vax injuries, dumbass. People die in cars, that doesn't make cars harmful to drive. Stop acting like you were only talking about a tiny % of folks getting harmed by the vaccine just like any other vaccine. 5 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Did the vaccines work in Canada, User? In my whole f'ing country? Yes. I have already answered this question. The vaccine significantly reduced severe illness, hospitalizations, and death for those who were vaccinated. 5 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Vaccinating 85% of Canadians resulted in a 30% increase in deaths. You don't believe this. 5 hours ago, WestCanMan said: How successful does that look to you, honestly? Let me know when we are done imagining and you want to give me the numbers you believe are real. Quote
Goddess Posted October 16, 2024 Author Report Posted October 16, 2024 8 hours ago, User said: The vaccine significantly reduced severe illness, hospitalizations, and death for those who were vaccinated. That is a years old talking point from MSM that is not borne out by the data. Stop repeating what you've heard on CBC and start looking at the data. I've posted it all here. 8 hours ago, User said: a tiny % of folks getting harmed by the vaccine just like any other vaccine. It's not like any other vaccine. The injuries and deaths from it far eclipse all other vaccines put together. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted October 16, 2024 Author Report Posted October 16, 2024 (edited) Most people uncritically believe the author whose work they read first, and the news sources they habitually consume. Psychologists have often confirmed the “primacy effect,” i.e., the first thing people hear or read about a given topic endures in their perception/belief. We see this here. Covid deaths go UP by 30%, hundreds of studies & datasets, and these ones are still defending the "success" of the injections. In general, people defend their lives and want to believe that effort is rewarded. Hence, they don’t like to feel time they’ve spent “educating” themselves was wasted. Believing their initial, or usual, sources also affirms peoples’ belief in their own good judgment regarding source selection. One-stop informational shopping also removes the cognitive challenge and dissonance that conflicting sources might present. Believing the first thing they read relieves people of the responsibility to do—and saves the time needed for—additional reading. The pop Covid literature portrays Covid as a terrible killer; many people are emotionally drawn to this—and other—crisis narratives. Authors often assert that very few—or zero—deaths would have occurred if we had locked down sooner or if everyone had worn masks and later, vaxxed and boosted. All of that is ludicrous, especially because the vast majority of those who reportedly died of Covid were already not long for this world. The mitigation and Pharma interventions were nothing but corrupt and bankrupt theater. We have never been able to stop, let alone vaccinate against a respiratory virus. Never. Those who swallowed the Covid-fear hook, line & sinker did nothing more than watch/listen to mainstream news reports regarding Covid, yet saw/see themselves as well-informed. They think they knew/know more after such "exploration” than they knew before they began. Yet, because these sources mislead them, many end up knowing less. It’s beyond ironic that governments and media outlets who rail against mis/disinformation routinely engage in these practices, especially during the Scamdemic. As one of many examples, the bureaucrats, pols and newspeople insisted the shots were “safe and effective” and would “stop infection and spread.” Tens of millions blindly believed this initial message and vilified those who thought more carefully and refused to inject. The non-vaxxers were right. Instead of focusing on agenda-driven sources, people would have seen a clearer picture of SARS-CoV-2 risk by trusting what they directly observed. If the virus had really been killing healthy, non-old, everyone would have seen, early on and with their own eyes—or heard, from familiar, trusted others—credible evidence of the virus’s purported, population-wide lethality. Many will hold onto their initial belief that Covid was a terrible threat that warranted lockdowns, vaxx crusades and additional, astronomical Public Health subsidies. Bureaucrats and Pharma will continue to lavishly fund university research and more shots to “stop the next Pandemic!” Edited October 16, 2024 by Goddess Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted October 16, 2024 Author Report Posted October 16, 2024 This book on the history of pharma scandals, how corruption in medicine reached a new apex during COVID, and how nobody has been punished for lies during the pandemic about the vaccines, masks, and lockdowns, by investigative journalist Sharyl Attkisson. Excerpt from the book: Chapter 3: “Third Rail” Vaccines Has your doctor warned you about potential side effects each time you or a loved one got a vaccine? Under established ethics guidelines, you should be informed about everything from the risk of paralysis to brain damage and death, depending on the vaccine. If you weren’t told of these risks, then did you truly give your informed consent to be vaccinated? It was a long time ago, but I recall being surprised when I first discovered public health officials using official channels to perpetrate vaccine misinformation. I was startled by their manipulation of news and information. A large part of their propaganda campaign revolves around mislabeling accurate facts as “disinformation,” smearing certain scientists, and falsely attacking people as “anti-vaccine.” Let me pause to state something that should be obvious. It’s not “anti-vaccine” to ask questions, research, or report about vaccine safety. In all my years of investigating topics, this one stands alone in terms of the magnitude of orchestrated pushback it draws. When I broke international news about deadly rollovers of Ford Explorers outfitted with Firestone tires, nobody suggested I was “anti-car” or “anti-tire.” That would be absurd. When I uncovered fraud at the Red Cross involving 9/11 donations, nobody suggested I was “anti–Red Cross,” “anti-charity,” or “anti-9/11 donations.” When I investigated other drug safety issues, nobody considered me to be “anti-medicine.” If I were to talk about studies showing that some people are allergic to penicillin, it wouldn’t make me “anti-penicillin.” Ask yourself why the game changes when it comes to vaccines. The fact that people feel compelled to say, “I’m not anti-vaccine . . .” before making perfectly grounded statements or asking rational questions speaks to the success of one of the most influential propaganda movements of our time. One of the cruelest things our government does is smear the poor parents of vaccine-injured children. For daring to speak publicly about what happened to their loved ones, these parents are attacked by public health officials and held up to ridicule by the media. Parents have told me the government has proven vindictive and they fear if they don’t keep their mouths shut, the government will take back payments awarded by courts to care for their vaccine-injured children. They’re literally bullied into silence. I think part of the reason why vaccine interests are so intent on neutralizing parents is that parents are the most important and credible spokesmen when it comes to vaccine safety. By definition, they weren’t “anti-vaxxers.” They vaccinated their children. All medicine has side effects. But in today’s manipulated information landscape, efforts to learn the most about side effects of vaccines, products given multiple times to virtually every American, are actively discouraged. We’re made to think that questions are not even to be raised. This is the antithesis of good science and public health. Without risks being addressed, our national vaccine program is neither as safe nor as effective as it could be. The fact that even medical professionals who should know better treat vaccine safety as a third rail not to be touched makes no logical sense and serves as an important giveaway that a commanding narrative is in play. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted October 16, 2024 Author Report Posted October 16, 2024 COVID-19 vaccination decisions and impacts of vaccine mandates: a cross sectional survey of healthcare workers in Ontario, Canada - Chaufan - Journal of Public Health and Emergency (amegroups.org) Conclusion: "Mandated vaccination policies in Ontario have negatively affected healthcare workers’ well-being, patient care, and the health system’s sustainability. This study.. highlights and underscores the need for not only evidence-informed, but also ethics-informed, policies, esp during health emergencies." "We conclude that if, by the OECD criteria (as analyzed in this peer-reviewed paper), the policy of mandated vaccination for HCWs has failed, this failure, along with the contested efficacy and safety of Covid-19 vaccines, their negative impact on HCWs’ wellbeing, staffing levels, and patient care, and the threat that mandates represent to longstanding bioethical principles such as informed consent and bodily autonomy, negates any basis—policy, scientific, or ethical—to continue with the practice." ******************** It's estimated that Ontario lost 15% of HCW due to: 1) quitting because of the mandates 2) took early retirement because of the mandates 3) being fired because of the mandates 4) long term side effects/ disability from the forced injections And now Canada has a health-care crisis....for an injection that doesn't confer immunity, doesn't stop infection, doesn't stop transmission, has documented adverse events, has not reduced deaths, hospitalizations or ER visits. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
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