Dougie93 Posted May 22, 2022 Report Share Posted May 22, 2022 bear in mind that Finland is an EU member and American Non NATO Military Ally unlike the Ukrainians, Finnish forces are fully adapted to NATO military hardware America would be shipping F-35 stealth fighters to Finland that alone would lay waste to the Russian's obsolete 1980's military attacking Finland is crossing the trace into World War Three, regardless of NATO membership the Russians would end up backs against a wall in an escalating vortex, worldwide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted May 29, 2022 Report Share Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) Del Multiple posts Edited May 29, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted May 29, 2022 Report Share Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) Del. Multiple posts Edited May 29, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aristides Posted May 29, 2022 Report Share Posted May 29, 2022 On 5/19/2022 at 4:17 PM, Yzermandius19 said: the EU doesn't prevent war that's just marketing for the rubes It has been very effective in preventing war between its members. The rubes are people who get suckered into believing in the politics of division. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted May 29, 2022 Report Share Posted May 29, 2022 48 minutes ago, Aristides said: It has been very effective in preventing war between its members. The rubes are people who get suckered into believing in the politics of division. it has not prevented war between it's members just because none of it's members have gone to war correlation equals causation fallacy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted May 30, 2022 Report Share Posted May 30, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: it has not prevented war between it's members just because none of it's members have gone to war correlation equals causation fallacy That's pretty dam dumb, who do you think started the two world wars? One of the reasons for the EU was to never have a repeat. They haven't. How about the Franco Prussian War. The Prussia Austria war, Napoleonic wars, the Seven Years war? The list of former wars between members is almost endless. This is the longest period of peace in European history. Edited May 30, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted May 30, 2022 Report Share Posted May 30, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Aristides said: That's pretty dam dumb, who do you think started the two world wars? One of the reasons for the EU was to never have a repeat. They haven't. How about the Franco Prussian War. The Prussia Austria war, Napoleonic wars, the Seven Years war? The list of former wars between members is almost endless. This is the longest period of peace in European history. none of which has anything to do with the EU that's because of the Pax Americana and war weariness the EU just tries to take credit, and internationalist kool-aid drinkers like you buy it people like you thought the League of Nations would prevent another World War they were wrong then and you are wrong now Edited May 30, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted May 30, 2022 Report Share Posted May 30, 2022 16 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: none of which has anything to do with the EU that's because of the Pax Americana and war weariness the EU just tries to take credit, and internationalist kool-aid drinkers like you buy it people like you thought the League of Nations would prevent another World War they were wrong then and you are wrong now Why are you so against countries trying to form organizations intended to prevent conflicts, do you love wars? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Aristides said: Why are you so against countries trying to form organizations intended to prevent conflicts, do you love wars? the road to hell is paved with good intentions the EU does nothing to prevent wars that's just PR used to sell something that wouldn't otherwise sell on it's actual merits I'm in favor of subsidiarity and the EU does things that are better handled at the national level that is my beef with it, it's an overly centralized beaucratic mess Edited May 31, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: the EU does nothing to prevent wars The EU or Nato ? I get your correlation/causation argument but ... it sure doesn't cause wars, right ? I mean... there haven't been any so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: The EU or Nato ? I get your correlation/causation argument but ... it sure doesn't cause wars, right ? I mean... there haven't been any so... the EU it has yet to cause or prevent any wars there is nothing about the EU that effects the occurence of war and those suggesting warfare prevention is it's main selling point are full of shit they sound just like naive wishful thinking fools who championed the warfare prevention effects of the League of Nations Edited May 31, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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