Another Mass Shooting

[Zijlstra]

On 5/14/2022 at 1:14 PM, ExFlyer said:

 

Another one after a NBA Game  https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/20-injured-in-milwaukee-shootings-after-bucks-playoff-game/ar-AAXgAKA?ocid=EMMX&cvid=e2c7d10e65934fe6a2407d50102ec027

What is wrong down there??

 

 

Quick question: is an NBA game a gun-free zone?

[Aristides]

Del

Edited July 31, 2022 by Aristides

[Aristides]

44 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

if you want to take away people's rights

then the burden of proof is on you to prove it's worth it

you don't get to take away people's rights because of unsubstantiated assumptions

I don’t really care what Americans do, owning a gun is not a right in Canada.

[Yzermandius19]

16 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I don’t really care what Americans do, owning a gun is not a right in Canada.

security of the person is a right

you want to infringe on that right

so prove that infringement is worth it

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, Zijlstra said:

Quick question: is an NBA game a gun-free zone?

Why the F would you be asking me??

I just linked a story.

Look it up yourself

[Zijlstra]

So I'll take that as a yes, another mass shooting in a gun-free zone (read: defenseless victims zone)

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, Zijlstra said:

So I'll take that as a yes, another mass shooting in a gun-free zone (read: defenseless victims zone)

There is no such thing as a gun free zone in the country with far more guns than people.

[Yzermandius19]

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

There is no such thing as a gun free zone in the country with far more guns than people.

yes there is

and they are most common locations where most mass shooters choose to go on their shooting sprees

because their victims are less likely to be armed and be able to shoot back

Edited August 1, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Aristides]

8 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

yes there is

and they are most common locations where most mass shooters choose to go on their shooting sprees

because their victims are less likely to be armed and be able to shoot back

If people are getting guns into them, they aren't gun free. But wouldn't it be great if everyone there had guns and all started shooting. Which one with the gun was the original shooter? The collateral damage possibilities are unlimited.

 
Now the hell could anyone think that 20,000 people in an arena all armed could possibly be a good idea.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Aristides

[Yzermandius19]

6 minutes ago, Aristides said:

If people are getting guns into them, they aren't gun free. But wouldn't it be great if everyone there had guns and all started shooting. Which one with the gun was the original shooter? The collateral damage possibilities are unlimited.

 
Now the hell could anyone think that 20,000 people in an arena all armed could possibly be a good idea.

people get guns into those zones because criminals don't follow laws

they don't follow any of your other gun control laws either

your plan only works if all bad people with guns

listen to the laws, but that's not how it works and it never will be

you are designing laws for fictional society that will never exist and assuming that will work in the real world

Edited August 1, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Aristides]

15 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

people get guns into those zones because criminals don't follow laws

they don't follow any of your other gun control laws either

your plan only works if all bad people with guns

listen to the laws, but that's not how it works and it never will be

you are designing laws for fictional society that will never exist and assuming that will work in the real world

How does your plan work? If everyone there is armed and someone starts shooting, are you going to pull out your gun? You better think twice because some other “good guy with a gun” is just as likely to think you are a shooter and take you out. That is the real world.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Aristides

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

How does your plan work? If everyone there is armed and someone starts shooting, are you going there pull out your gun? You better think twice because some other “good guy with a gun” is just as likely to think you are a shooter and take you out. That is the real world.

that's not what happens

what happens is the shooter gets shot

and your dreams about massive collateral damage if people are armed in a mass shooting never comes to fruition

that's the real world

you're just so triggered by guns that you assume they are never the answer

even to stop a mass shooter

Edited August 1, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

that's not what happens

what happens is the shooter gets shot

and your dreams about massive collateral damage if people are armed never come to fruition

that's the real world

you're just so triggered by guns that you assume they are never the answer

Bullshit. If 20K people pull out guns, 90% of them won’t know who the real shooter is.

I’m not triggered by guns, I’m not even against them. I’m just not a delusional idiot.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Aristides

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Bullshit. If 20K people pull out guns, 90% of them won’t know who the real shooter is.

bullshit

if 20k people have guns

no mass shooter is going to target them in the first place

there is a reason so many of them choose soft targets

and don't go light up the police station

it's not a coincidence

Edited August 1, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Aristides]

47 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

bullshit

if 20k people have guns

no mass shooter is going to target them in the first place

there is a reason so many of them choose soft targets

and don't go light up the police station

it's not a coincidence

Most mass shooters don't expect to survive. If I was a suicidal mass shooter an arena full of armed people would be great. More of them would probably shoot each other than I could possibly kill myself.

 We had two guys target police in Saanich a couple of weeks ago.

[Yzermandius19]

58 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Most mass shooters don't expect to survive. If I was a suicidal mass shooter an arena full of armed people would be great. More of them would probably shoot each other than I could possibly kill myself.

 We had two guys target police in Saanich a couple of weeks ago.

mass shooters usually don't pick on hardened targets

they pick on softer targets

so evidently you don't have much of a clue on how they think at all

[Aristides]

20 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

mass shooters usually don't pick on hardened targets

they pick on softer targets

so evidently you don't have much of a clue on how they think at all

How is it a hardened target. You hear some shots. When you turn and look you see several people with guns. Which one do you shoot? Even military and police who are trained to recognize a threat occasionally make mistakes.

With thousands of armed people in an enclosed arena, eventually some duffus is going to see a threat that doesn't exist and start shooting.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Aristides

[Yzermandius19]

17 minutes ago, Aristides said:

How is it a hardened target. You hear some shots. When you turn and look you see several people with guns. Which one do you shoot? Even military and police who are trained to recognize a threat occasionally make mistakes.

With thousands of armed people in an enclosed arena, eventually some duffus is going to see a threat that doesn't exist and start shooting.

targets equipped to defend themselves are hard targets

no mass shooters are targeting gun shows

that's not a coincidence

your theory that if someone starts shooting in a place with lots of armed people that a bunch of innocent people are going to get shot automatically

doesn't have any real life examples backing it up

it's entirely a figment of your imagination

Edited August 1, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Aristides]

10 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

targets equipped to defend themselves are hard targets

no mass shooters are targeting gun shows

that's not a coincidence

your theory that if someone starts shooting in a place with lots of armed people that a bunch of innocent people are going to get shot automatically

doesn't have any real life examples backing it up

it's entirely a figment of your imagination

If you have thousands of armed people in the same place, eventually someone will start shooting even if it is by mistake. The places with the most guns have the most shootings.

The US firearms homicide rate per 100k pop is 6 times Canada.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Aristides

[Yzermandius19]

59 minutes ago, Aristides said:

If you have thousands of armed people in the same place, eventually someone will start shooting even if it is by mistake. The places with the most guns have the most shootings.

The US firearms homicide rate per 100k pop is 6 times Canada.

America having more firearms homicides than Canada has nothing to do with the amount of guns in either nation

Switzerland has a lot more guns than many countries with much higher firearms homicide rates, for instance

just because someone owns or carries a gun

doesn't mean it's inevitable they shoot someone with it

that's not how it works

Edited August 1, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[BeaverFever]

On 7/30/2022 at 5:33 PM, Yzermandius19 said:

that's not proof the gun control is responsible

what proof do you have that gun control lowers firearms deaths?

1) countries that have gun control have lower incidence of gun deaths than countries  that don’t  (USA vs the entire developed world, Switzerland vs rest of Europe)

2) countries that significantly strengthen gun control laws have lower incidence of gun deaths than they did prior to enacting them (UK, Australia)

 

What more proof can there be?

[BeaverFever]

38 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

America having more firearms homicides than Canada has nothing to do with the amount of guns in either nation

Switzerland has a lot more guns than many countries with much higher firearms homicide rates, for instance

just because someone owns or carries a gun

doesn't mean it's inevitable they shoot someone with it

that's not how it works

False. Switzerland has always had one of the highest rates of gun violence in Europe and the federal government has been toughening gun control in recent years with result being lower gun crime .

You’ve already been educated about the reality in Switzerland but you continue to spew your false nonsense Here are the facts that I already provided for you AGAIN :

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-of-gun-deaths-2018-2?amp

 

 

 

[Yzermandius19]

14 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

1) countries that have gun control have lower incidence of gun deaths than countries  that don’t  (USA vs the entire developed world, Switzerland vs rest of Europe)

2) countries that significantly strengthen gun control laws have lower incidence of gun deaths than they did prior to enacting them (UK, Australia)

 

What more proof can there be?

that's not proof

lots of countries that have high gun deaths have gun control

lots of countries have higher gun deaths after implementing gun control

you're cherry picking and you have yet to link levels of gun crime to gun control levels

Edited August 1, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[BeaverFever]

12 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

that's not proof

lots of countries that have high gun deaths have gun control

lots of countries have higher gun deaths after implementing gun control

 

For example?

 

12 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

you have yet to link levels of gun crime to gun control levels

Like I already asked you, what more evidence would you require? Be specific. I gave you evidence and you claimed (without evidence) that it was cherry picking 

[Yzermandius19]

27 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

what more evidence would you require? Be specific. I gave you evidence

you gave no evidence

evidence that some places with low gun crime also have gun control isn't proof that gun control is the cause of the low gun crime

what proof do you have that gun control is the cause

and that various other factors aren't driving the low gun crime rate that you are attributing to gun control?

Edited August 1, 2022 by Yzermandius19