Nationalist Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: when those parts of Central Europe are under Russian control Lol...just...lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Lol...just...lol. such a typical response this is what you do everytime someone makes a good argument and you have no good rebuttal yet you talk trash about other people's arguments sucking when all you got is "lol, I disagree" then when asked why you disagree you just ad hominem or strawman, if you even answer Edited July 4, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 4 hours ago, Nationalist said: Yes the Hungarians paid an awful price. That was then...this is now. And now...the Russians dont seem interested in anything but Donbas. That was then and this is now. So what? Russia hasn't changed. It is run by an ex KGB colonel so mentality running it hasn't changed either. No they haven't. they have occupied all the area north and east of Crimea to link Donbas with Crimea and cut Ukraine off from the Aral Sea. They have also occupied territory west of Crimea and attacked Odessa to cut Ukraine access to the Black Sea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: such a typical response this is what you do everytime someone makes a good argument and you have no good rebuttal yet you talk trash about other people's arguments sucking when all you got is "lol, I disagree" then when asked why you disagree you just ad hominem or strawman, if you even answer A "good" argument is supported by actual reality. It is not a reality that Russia is even planning to invade any NATO nation. All we have is some opinions and statements from Russia that they will defend their borders. Try reality...its "good" for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Aristides said: That was then and this is now. So what? Russia hasn't changed. It is run by an ex KGB colonel so mentality running it hasn't changed either. No they haven't. they have occupied all the area north and east of Crimea to link Donbas with Crimea and cut Ukraine off from the Aral Sea. They have also occupied territory west of Crimea and attacked Odessa to cut Ukraine access to the Black Sea. So they have the "Russian" part of Ukraine, and have responded to the Ukrainians sinking one of their boats. I understand now Ukraine have mined the bay at Odessa and have no idea where the mines are. Good work actor and neo-Nazis! Now you can't get your own exports out. What a comical shit-show... Show me where Putin even suggested he would invade/attck any NATO nation, except in self defence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, Nationalist said: So they have the "Russian" part of Ukraine, and have responded to the Ukrainians sinking one of their boats. I understand now Ukraine have mined the bay at Odessa and have no idea where the mines are. Good work actor and neo-Nazis! Now you can't get your own exports out. What a comical shit-show... Show me where Putin even suggested he would invade/attck any NATO nation, except in self defence? Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons because of the Budapest agreement in which the US, Britain and Russia guaranteed Ukraine security. Putin also said all countries should respect Ukrainian sovereignty. As long as he gets to determine what that so called sovereignty is. https://www.rt.com/news/316687-putin-interview-sovereignty-ukraine/ NATO is a defensive alliance. Show me where even one NATO country has suggested it should invade Russia. Countries join NATO because they see Russia as a threat. If Sweden and Finland joining doesn't drive that home, nothing ever will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 24 minutes ago, Nationalist said: A "good" argument is supported by actual reality. It is not a reality that Russia is even planning to invade any NATO nation. All we have is some opinions and statements from Russia that they will defend their borders. Try reality...its "good" for you. They will defend their borders. Sure they will, The question is, when will they stop expanding those borders? That's why the rush to join NATO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 Hitler said he wanted the Sudetenland because it was largely German. Britain and France caved and signed it over at Munich. Six months later Hitler took the rest of Czechoslovakia. Putin may not be Hitler but he knows the play book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, Aristides said: Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons because of the Budapest agreement in which the US, Britain and Russia guaranteed Ukraine security. Putin also said all countries should respect Ukrainian sovereignty. As long as he gets to determine what that so called sovereignty is. https://www.rt.com/news/316687-putin-interview-sovereignty-ukraine/ NATO is a defensive alliance. Show me where even one NATO country has suggested it should invade Russia. Countries join NATO because they see Russia as a threat. If Sweden and Finland joining doesn't drive that home, nothing ever will. So neither NATO nor Russia have threatened to attack each other. Marvie! That's as it should be...for now. The very first part of your article...from 2015... Quote The sovereignty of all states, including Ukraine, should be respected, Russian President Vladimir Putin told CBS’s ‘60 Minutes,’ stressing that he knows “for sure” that the US was involved in the ouster of President Yanukovich in 2014. Hmmm...USA been fucking with other nations' elections again, have they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 11 minutes ago, Aristides said: They will defend their borders. Sure they will, The question is, when will they stop expanding those borders? That's why the rush to join NATO. lol... "AHHH...WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!" Take a pill and stop trying to justify WWIII. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: So neither NATO nor Russia have threatened to attack each other. Marvie! That's as it should be...for now. The very first part of your article...from 2015... Hmmm...USA been fucking with other nations' elections again, have they? Have they? If you read RT I guess. Putin needed an excuse to invade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: lol... "AHHH...WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!" Take a pill and stop trying to justify WWIII. Eastern Europeans lived under the Soviet heel for 50 years. Most of these countries had been divided up between various European powers over the centuries. They have much better idea of what threatens them than some knob in Canada who has never been threatened by anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: A "good" argument is supported by actual reality. It is not a reality that Russia is even planning to invade any NATO nation. All we have is some opinions and statements from Russia that they will defend their borders. Try reality...its "good" for you. history is a reality Russia telling you what you want to hear is not reality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 28 minutes ago, Aristides said: Have they? If you read RT I guess. Putin needed an excuse to invade. You posted the article... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 26 minutes ago, Aristides said: Eastern Europeans lived under the Soviet heel for 50 years. Most of these countries had been divided up between various European powers over the centuries. They have much better idea of what threatens them than some knob in Canada who has never been threatened by anyone. Indeed. Like my wife's family in Prague. See...I get first-hand info. How 'bout you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: history is a reality Russia telling you what you want to hear is not reality So because America once attacked Canada...we should expect them to attack us again? Try living in this century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Nationalist said: So because America once attacked Canada...we should expect them to attack us again? Try living in this century. the calculation has changed for America the calculation hasn't changed in Russia Russia in this century isn't much different from Russia last century the Romanov's did it, the Bolsheviks did it, and Putin is doing it you don't know the Russians all you know is wishful thinking it's pretty simple Edited July 4, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 20 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: the calculation has changed for America the calculation hasn't changed in Russia Russia in this century isn't much different from Russia last century the Romanov's did it, the Bolsheviks did it, and Putin is doing it you don't know the Russians all you know is wishful thinking it's pretty simple Correction: YOUR calculation for Russia hasn't changed. LOL...I don't know the Russians...don't be a goof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: Correction: YOUR calculation for Russia hasn't changed. LOL...I don't know the Russians...don't be a goof. your calculation is based on wishful thinking mine is based history, geography, demographics and culture you don't know Russia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 36 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: your calculation is based on wishful thinking mine is based history, geography, demographics and culture you don't know Russia Wishful thinking...hmmm... Well...if you call serving at the Prague Embassy for several years, knowing quite a number of Russians in Prague, and having a Czech wife who watches news from there as well as speaking with her family daily...wishful thinking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Wishful thinking...hmmm... Well...if you call serving at the Prague Embassy for several years, knowing quite a number of Russians in Prague, and having a Czech wife who watches news from there as well as speaking with her family daily...wishful thinking... then you have even less excuse because Russians outside of Russia don't side with Russia, especially in Ukraine they are also well aware of Russia's insecurity driving their aggression guess you only talked to unobservant Russians or ones who also engage in wishful thinking about Russia or ones who were gaslighting you Edited July 4, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: then you have even less excuse because Russians outside of Russia don't side with Russia, especially in Ukraine they are also well aware of Russia's insecurity driving their aggression Gawd who tells you this horseshit? Russians...regardless of where they live...are proudly and fiercely Russian. Ever ask why both Crimea and Donbas voted to become independent from Ukraine? Lord t'underin' boy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Gawd who tells you this horseshit? Russians...regardless of where they live...are proudly and fiercely Russian. Ever ask why both Crimea and Donbas voted to become independent from Ukraine? Lord t'underin' boy... Russians outside Russia hate the Russian government they aren't Putin fanboys only those drowning in Russian propaganda in a country with no free speech who never hear alternative opinions buy the nonsense you're selling they might be proud to be Russian, but they aren't proud of the tyranny the Czechs don't like the Russians either that Embassy must have been some weird bubble because apparently you only encountered Europeans oblivious about Russia and it's history Edited July 4, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Indeed. Like my wife's family in Prague. See...I get first-hand info. How 'bout you? Right, both the Czech Republic and Slovakia joined NATO, so you should know better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Russians outside Russia hate the Russian government they aren't Putin fanboys only those drowning in Russian propaganda in a country with no free speech who never hear alternative opinions buy the nonsense you're selling they might be proud to be Russian, but they aren't proud of the tyranny the Czechs don't like the Russians either that Embassy must have been some weird bubble because apparently you only encountered Europeans oblivious about Russia and it's history You make so many assumptions...and you're batting zero with them Americans outside America hate Biden. So what? Wanna start a brawl? Walk into a bar, find some Yankees, and tell them America sucks. Yes...Czechs hold no love for Russia. And even they aren't as silly as you. It's an "Embassy"...or it was then. Now it's just an office for passports. Embassies tend to deal with people we call..."diplomats". Almost all nations have them. Do you know what their job is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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