Conservative Party shafts Joseph Bourgault

[Faramir]

15 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Now you have the picture. No matter which party forms a government, they have only a narrow range of policy directions to choose from.  With a problem like inflation, Climate change, the pandemic etc., there is only a couple of solutions and they are similar to one another.  The solutions to all problems lie in the centre. 

You do not win voters over by telling them they are wrong and you are right. The voter is a lot smarter than most of the people on this forum...including me, of course. I've been working on campaigns for the Progressive Conservative party since the 1960's, but I still have a lot to learn.

 

Well, you may be in luck. If we end up with Mr. Poilievre as leader, we could end up with Mr. Trudeau running the show until 2029.

Pop Quiz: Who is the only Conservative to ever beat a Trudeau? Which two Conservative leaders won the largest majorities in Canadian history?

Except we are talking about something Pierre excreted from his pores.  Justin is a Trudeau as much as what comes out of Harper's sweat glans is his prodigy.

[Queenmandy85]

13 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

See that’s where I think there might be a problem getting a consensus.  I think many people would like to see a purge of the Liberals from the Conservatives.  I realize that would probably transfer half the Conservative seats to the Liberals.  See the problem?  The country seems permanently Liberal.  

The government is a reflection of the electorate, as it should be. Since the electorate are basically in the centre, that is where the government needs to be.

[Zeitgeist]

4 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The government is a reflection of the electorate, as it should be. Since the electorate are basically in the centre, that is where the government needs to be.

But the Liberals shifted to the left to steal NDP votes in 2015.   They have just shifted even further left to keep their minority government propped up by the NDP.   The federal Liberals are high spending left wing ideologues, socialist in the Marxist sense, with a post-modern nihilist, identity politics twist.  They pretty much own the Canadian media and work with them to stoke fear about the opposition.  Fear is the theme here energizing support: fear of Covid, fear of climate change, and fear of Conservatives, who they try to characterize as racist-misogynist-fringe.  

Edited May 10, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Queenmandy85]

Government is like a train. Elections decide who gets to play with the throttle and the brakes and who gets to blow the horn and ring the bell, but the train still follows the tracks, no matter who is driving. If you get a maverick engineer who makes a turn to the right or left where there are no tracks, the whole she-bang goes off the rails and we have a train wreck.

Edited May 10, 2022 by Queenmandy85

[Zeitgeist]

4 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Government is like a train. Elections decide who gets to play with the throttle and the brakes and who gets to blow the horn and ring the bell, but the train still follows the tracks, no matter who is driving. If you get a maverick engineer who makes a turn to the right or left where there are no tracks, the whole she-bang goes off the rails and we have a train wreck.

Maybe a gutting of politics as usual is needed.  

[Faramir]

17 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The government is a reflection of the electorate, as it should be. Since the electorate are basically in the centre, that is where the government needs to be.

Except Canadians are NOT the center.  2 out of 3 are Marxists.

[Queenmandy85]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

But the Liberals shifted to the left to steal NDP votes in 2015.   They have just shifted even further left to keep their minority government propped up by the NDP.  

That is another way of saying they are trying to get support from people who voted NDP. We call that broadening the tent.

 

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The federal Liberals are high spending left wing ideologues, socialist in the Marxist sense, with a post-modern nihilist, identity politics twist. 

As Captain Barbossa said, "Them's a lot of big words and we're but poor Pirates."

The high spending part is a continuation of Prime Minister Harper's policies. He was dealing with a global economic collapse, while the current government is dealing with the worst health emergency in a century. With all party support, Canada has so far held the death toll to under about 40,000. The US did not respond in the same way and they have suffered the worst catastrophe in it's history. When the situation required it, the Canadian governments federally and provincially worked as a team. Yes, the could have done more, in hindsight, but they were reacting without a playbook. The lockdowns worked. The only way that could happen is by making it possible for people to stay home. 

The same team work helped the NAFTA re-negociations. Governments are high spending because running a country is expensive. The problem is the people need the services but are reluctant to pay the taxes to support it. 

[Queenmandy85]

11 minutes ago, Faramir said:

Except Canadians are NOT the center.  2 out of 3 are Marxists.

Then that is the government they should get. You are wrong, but I sometimes get the mistaken impression you have never studied Marx.

[Queenmandy85]

19 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Maybe a gutting of politics as usual is needed.  

What would that look like? I think that could work if we abolished the position of Prime Minister, and GG and got rid of the lower house. We could have the Upper House and the executive with direct rule.

[Zeitgeist]

15 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

What would that look like? I think that could work if we abolished the position of Prime Minister, and GG and got rid of the lower house. We could have the Upper House and the executive with direct rule.

I’ve been impressed by the Senate in ways I hadn’t expected.  They’re a critical part of Parliament.  

[Faramir]

50 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Then that is the government they should get. You are wrong, but I sometimes get the mistaken impression you have never studied Marx.

I've read Marx.  The 2 out of 3 is based on the voting percentages for the 4 Marxist parties - Liberal, NDP, Green and Bloc.  

[Queenmandy85]

6 minutes ago, Faramir said:

I've read Marx.  The 2 out of 3 is based on the voting percentages for the 4 Marxist parties - Liberal, NDP, Green and Bloc.  

That is a lot of hyperbole.

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Who knows? Maybe a trouncing will show the CPC that leaving their base and values...is a bad idea.

It's the base that needs to be shown this -  something the party brass is painfully aware of as well. 

[Nationalist]

24 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's the base that needs to be shown this -  something the party brass is painfully aware of as well. 

I've already been shown.

First they nominate Howdy-Doody as leader, then a man with no principles or conviction...neither were leaders and the elections prove this.

If the CPC want to win, they'll adjust and solidify they're policies and find a leader who's a leader. Pick a couple liberal policies and loudly campaign to turn them around.

I would start with fossil fuels/green energy and a diffinative proclamation that all Rona rules are now cancelled. 

[Faramir]

55 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I've already been shown.

First they nominate Howdy-Doody as leader, then a man with no principles or conviction...neither were leaders and the elections prove this.

If the CPC want to win, they'll adjust and solidify they're policies and find a leader who's a leader. Pick a couple liberal policies and loudly campaign to turn them around.

I would start with fossil fuels/green energy and a diffinative proclamation that all Rona rules are now cancelled. 

THAT is the problem with mainstream conservative movements.  They are run by people who care about power only for power's sake like Joe Clark, Mulroney and Charest.  

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Faramir said:

THAT is the problem with mainstream conservative movements.  They are run by people who care about power only for power's sake like Joe Clark, Mulroney and Charest.  

Perhaps. But right now...Canada needs a strong leader.