Vote Poilievre and Charest

[August1991]

15 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I think Canada has lost the plot of late.  Too controlling and woke.  ....

Interesting conversation but the question is who will likely be the next federal Conservative leader.

And likely the next PM.

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I reckon that if the Tories choose Charest, he will possibly be the next PM.

Poilevre may be a Conservative leader but he will never be Prime Minister of Canada.  

 

Edited April 23, 2022 by August1991

[August1991]

7 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Interesting conversation but the question is who will likely be the next federal Conservative leader.

And possibly the next PM.

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I reckon that if the Tories choose Charest, he will possibly be the next PM.

Poilevre may be a federal Conservative leader but he will never be Prime Minister of Canada.  

 

 

[Dougie93]

8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

  Compromised and waning democracy.  

waning liberal democracy perhaps

but that is being replaced by an illiberal democracy

 tyranny of the majority mob rule

[Dougie93]

obviously Charest is the Liberal deep state false flag candidate

if the Cons chose Charest, they will be back in the wilderness, that would drive votes to the PPC

on the surface, Polievre is the only remotely conservative candidate, the only rational choice

but at the end of the day, the democracy itself is failing in Canada

so once in office, Polievre will do as Doug Ford has done

Polievre will start to pander to the mob inevitably

once he is trying to cling to power as an interloper against the Liberal deep state

thus I don't bother voting anymore, as the situation has degenerated to the point where voting cannot save us

I think there will have to be counterrevolutionary upheaval against the Liberal deep state

elections just ain't gonna get it done

[Dougie93]

8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

 They only have to look at the trucker convoy to see the price of resistance.

small price to pay

when you consider the butchers bill our forefather's paid

so that we could live free

 

[Dougie93]

15 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I met Jack and thought the world of him. 

not me

because even back in the 80's, the left was already being taken over by the Woke Marxist mob

it was already apparent that the left was going where it has arrived now, back then

the NDP has been losing the working classes

and therefore shifting to an Academic elitist base, for forty years now

this is who Jack Layton was at the time

a foppish Academic elitist, riding his bicycle around, extolling the virtues of ludicrous central planning

I was a working class kid growing up on the streets

none of us took Jack Layton seriously

he was up in his downtown Toronto ivory Tower totally disconnected from us

someone like Pierre Polievre is the sort of leader I could get behind

problem being tho, again, I have no faith in any Canadian politician to follow through

as Canada itself is a corrupt enterprise, thus it corrupts all candidates in the end

Doug Ford ran as the same sort of folksy populist conservative

yet what is he now ?

Justin Trudeau's right hand man at Queen's Park, pandering to the Woke mob as a "Conservative"

it doesn't matter who you vote for

all roads lead to the Liberal Post National One Party State

from a counterrevolutionary point of view, the better option is to vote strategically for the Liberals

just keep ramming the Liberals down Canadians throats until they choke on it

the truckers are the canaries in the coalmine

to further radicalize the population, the population will have to suffer evermore under the elitist yoke

let them feel the burn, of runaway inflation

let them suffer the consequences of Marxist Canada and associated money printing

15% price increases, 20% interest rates, asset bubble crash, brutal recession, stagflation

mass suffering is the only way the masses learn these lessons

Canada's Banana Republic governance will result in a Banana Republic economy by default

this governance we have in Canada now, is how the Latin American basket cases were made

Puerto Rico North on its way to becoming Venezuela North

you can warn people until you are blue in the face, but that will not move them

the masses will only move when they feel the crushing market forces crashing down on their families

Edited April 23, 2022 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

10 hours ago, August1991 said:

Interesting conversation but the question is who will likely be the next federal Conservative leader.

And likely the next PM.

=====

I reckon that if the Tories choose Charest, he will possibly be the next PM.

Poilevre may be a Conservative leader but he will never be Prime Minister of Canada.  

 

I’m not interested in a Canada that elects Charest as PM, because I consider that a continuation of the Liberal-NDP woke dictatorship.  If Charest wins the Con leadership I won’t even vote because there are no choices.

Charest is a man for a time that has passed.  Now you need to understand the significance of crypto, digital national currency, social credit systems, and the Marxist-nihilist green-woke inquisition, which is a lot more serious than someone who has been out of the workforce for a few years can appreciate.  The chill over free speech is real. The ongoing compromise of our Constitution is real. The federal government is trying desperately to hang onto the controls introduced during the pandemic because, as Klaus Schwab said, “We cannot go back to how we lived before.”

Ask yourself how a government can pile additional carbon taxes on already extremely high fuel prices and a high consumer price index in general?  They want people living small.  Work from home, don’t travel, eat less, keep a small rental apartment (young people can’t afford to buy one anymore).  Introduce universal basic income and we can live like Cubans but with long winters. Say the wrong thing and get de-platformed.  You’ll have the essentials but your individual expression and liberty will be substantially reduced. It’s arguable that they already are. Only a massive shift away from big government overreach towards individual liberty can right this mess. Charest would largely maintain it.  I think it may be too late for Canada, which is basically a sub-jurisdiction of international governance.  Trudeau and Freeland are mostly reading scripts.  Canadian sovereignty and democracy are under serious threat, as is our standard of living and whole way of life. The pandemic accelerated these changes for the worse.  

Edited April 23, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

18 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 Now you need to understand the significance of crypto,

the only thing you need to understand about crypto,  is that it is a classic Ponzi Scheme

it's just another asset bubble without any basis in value, pure speculation, being manipulated by the Whales

 

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

not me

because even back in the 80's, the left was already being taken over by the Woke Marxist mob

it was already apparent that the left was going where it has arrived now, back then

the NDP has been losing the working classes

and therefore shifting to an Academic elitist base, for forty years now

this is who Jack Layton was at the time

a foppish Academic elitist, riding his bicycle around, extolling the virtues of ludicrous central planning

I was a working class kid growing up on the streets

none of us took Jack Layton seriously

he was up in his downtown Toronto ivory Tower totally disconnected from us

someone like Pierre Polievre is the sort of leader I could get behind

problem being tho, again, I have no faith in any Canadian politician to follow through

as Canada itself is a corrupt enterprise, thus it corrupts all candidates in the end

Doug Ford ran as the same sort of folksy populist conservative

yet what is he now ?

Justin Trudeau's right hand man at Queen's Park, pandering to the Woke mob as a "Conservative"

it doesn't matter who you vote for

all roads lead to the Liberal Post National One Party State

from a counterrevolutionary point of view, the better option is to vote strategically for the Liberals

just keep ramming the Liberals down Canadians throats until they choke on it

the truckers are the canaries in the coalmine

to further radicalize the population, the population will have to suffer evermore under the elitist yoke

let them feel the burn, of runaway inflation

let them suffer the consequences of Marxist Canada and associated money printing

15% price increases, 20% interest rates, asset bubble crash, brutal recession, stagflation

mass suffering is the only way the masses learn these lessons

Canada's Banana Republic governance will result in a Banana Republic economy by default

Context is everything though.  The late 80’s Layton was active in a clearly Republican-driven West.  Reagan had set the agenda.  Clinton maintained it.  Biden has essentially turned America over to internationalists, whether out of naivety, dementia, or to placate the far left Dems.  Trudeau has openly embraced the Chinese-led World Economic Forum and adopted a platform that 10 years ago would be considered left of NDP.  It’s not for the workers because it strips rights and economic strength from all but the most well-heeled and ensconced in our institutions.

Jack was at least sincere and hard working, even if he did enter the ivory tower and statist institutions.  That guy wouldn’t have supported using the Emergencies Act on the truckers, I don’t think.   It’s better that we don’t know and keep him a Canadian myth.  Power corrupts, but Parliament is our main political tool.  It really does look like a de facto one-party system though. 

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

the only thing you need to understand about crypto,  is that it is a classic Ponzi Scheme

it's just another asset bubble without any basis in value, pure speculation, being manipulated by the Whales

 

It’s main value is that governments can’t control it, which is why central banks want digital national currencies.  You don’t want to be reliant on one state anymore, because even so-called democratic governments have demonstrated that they will crush ordinary citizens exercising their constitutional rights as a means of saving themselves.  

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

 

Jack was at least sincere and hard working, even if he did enter the ivory tower and statist institutions. 

as I say, I didn't think he was a bad guy

I know he meant well, I know he wanted to help people

but already at this point in the 80's, I was rejecting my Socialist upbringing and moving to classical liberalism

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s main value is that governments can’t control it 

that's not actually true

and as governments demonstrate that they are actually able to control it, with brute force

that will hasten the unraveling of the crypto Ponzi Scheme

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

as I say, I didn't think he was a bad guy

I know he meant well, I know he wanted to help people

but already at this point in the 80's, I was rejecting my Socialist upbringing and moving to classical liberalism

Classical liberalism is dead except in a few Republican states.  Economic pain and the trampling of constitutional rights will hopefully wake people up to what’s underway.  

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

that's not actually true

and as governments demonstrate that they are actually able to control it, with brute force

that will hasten the unraveling of the crypto Ponzi Scheme

Well if that’s the case and we lose paper money as the central banks implement digital currencies, people will be controlled much more easily.  

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well if that’s the case and we lose paper money as the central banks implement digital currencies, people will be controlled much more easily.  

the mechanism of control is money printing

once the government runs out of room to buy votes with devalued dollars, they will lose control

[Dougie93]

17 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Classical liberalism is dead except in a few Republican states. 

nothing is written in stone

we are passing through an epoch

a multigenerational event horizon

this is the end of the Neoliberal order

this is the end of the Pax Americana

all heck is breaking loose

that is in fact how classical liberalism was born

Enlightenment 2.0 in progress, have faith, pilgrim

bydand

Edited April 23, 2022 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the mechanism of control is money printing

once the government runs out of room to buy votes with devalued dollars, they will lose control

Well the barter and swap economy is the end of the nation state.  Russia remembers this from the collapse of the Soviet Union, which is why they’re now backing their currency with gold.  At least Canada has oil and resources, but our current government is too stupid not to continue the money-printing and over-spending inflationary frenzy.  They’ve made promises to the unelected NDP.  All Canadians can do is watch the disaster unfold over the next three years.  The Yanks are stuck with Biden too for the same period.  At least they have the mid-terms.  

Edited April 23, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well the barter and swap economy is the end of the nation state.  Russia remembers this from the collapse of the Soviet Union, which is why they’re now backing their currency with gold.  At least Canada has oil and resources, but our current government is too stupid not to continue the money-printing and over-spending inflationary frenzy.  They’ve made promises to the unelected NDP.  All Canadians can do is watch the disaster unfold over the next three years.

I don't foresee a total collapse

that will not come to pass

instead, dollars will have to be removed from the system

that is what interest rates do

so we're heading back to the 80's : 18-22% interest in the face of runaway inflation

that will of course be a crisis for an economy based on net negative rate disinflation

but it wont be the end of the economy,  just the status quo political paradigm since 1991

[Charles Anthony]

Folks, 

Do not derail the discussion in this thread. 

[Dougie93]

in terms of Polievre pushing the crypto agenda

I understand why he's doing that

he's trying to be hip, he's appealing to Millennials, because Millennials drink the crypto kool-aid

to the average Canadian tho, I would say beware, market freedom has consequences

you are free to invest in a Ponzi Scheme

but there's no safety net in crypto, you could really get burned when the music stops

it's an overinflated asset with no inherent value based on pure speculation

to wit, when the crypto bubble collapses, it's going all the way to zero

the runaway inflation will force interest rates up precipitously at some point

that will incite a massive correction across all asset classes

stocks, real estate, crypto too

but real estate is not going to zero, and unlike crypto, you can live in your real estate investment

in terms of riding out what will likely be a secular bear market

you want to go for hard assets, fully detached home, physical gold, commodities, etc

the correction that we are approaching will take years to play out

the last secular bear market was from 1968 to 1982, with assets falling by 75% therein

suffice to say tho, the nonsensical politics of today are a result of a 30 year inflationary bubble

when that bubble pops, the politics will change completely

money printing la la land always blows itself up in the end

Edited April 23, 2022 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

in terms of Polievre pushing the crypto agenda

I understand why he's doing that

he's trying to be hip, he's appealing to Millennials, because Millennials drink the crypto kool-aid

to the average Canadian tho, I would say beware, market freedom has consequences

you are free to invest in a Ponzi Scheme

but there's no safety net in crypto, you could really get burned when the music stops

it's an overinflated asset with no inherent value based on pure speculation

to wit, when the crypto bubble collapses, it's going all the way to zero

the runaway inflation will force interest rates up precipitously at some point

that will incite a massive correction across all asset classes

stocks, real estate, crypto too

but real estate is not going to zero, and unlike crypto, you can live in your real estate investment

in terms of riding out what will likely be a secular bear market

you want to go for hard assets, fully detached home, physical gold, commodities, etc

the correction that we are approaching will take years to play out

the last secular bear market was from 1968 to 1982, with assets falling by 75% therein

suffice to say tho, the nonsensical politics of today are a result of a 30 year inflationary bubble

when that bubble pops, the politics will change completely

money printing la la land always blows itself up in the end

I agree on all points except to say that while I don’t think crypto is solid, Polievre is smart for wanting Canada to cash in on the transactions.  Make Canada the freest, most business friendly country in the world.  Unlock both natural resource development and the tech sector that’s going to sell the green energy to the climate fascists.

Just make sure Canadians get the largest cut of the profits. Make Canadian citizenship precious instead of undermining our sovereignty and democracy.  Maybe Polievre has a better shot at getting us there than other Con leadership candidates or Libs.  Can’t think of anyone better right now.  

Edited April 23, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[ExFlyer]

Don't like either. Don't like any of the announced candidates. They are all the same. Poliwhatever is as crooked as them all. he already has a big MP pension and has become a millionaire while being employed by Canadians as an MP. Poliwhtever is a politician through and through. He has never done anything except politics, as an aide, an assistant or MP. . He became a millionaire being in politics. Hows that?? Here are some facts. google PP's net worth "he is also one of the richest politicians in Canada with a net worth of about $9 million. Poilievre made his money through politics and has grown his wealth since 2004 when he assumed office. He also has increased his net worth through the position he holds in the conservative political party.""

[Zeitgeist]

31 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Don't like either. Don't like any of the announced candidates. They are all the same. Poliwhatever is as crooked as them all. he already has a big MP pension and has become a millionaire while being employed by Canadians as an MP. Poliwhtever is a politician through and through. He has never done anything except politics, as an aide, an assistant or MP. . He became a millionaire being in politics. Hows that?? Here are some facts. google PP's net worth "he is also one of the richest politicians in Canada with a net worth of about $9 million. Poilievre made his money through politics and has grown his wealth since 2004 when he assumed office. He also has increased his net worth through the position he holds in the conservative political party.""

You can say that about any MP.  I don’t fault Polievre for collecting the same salary as other MP’s.  If the only criticism of him is that he’s been in government a long time, I’d say at least he isn’t scared to speak his mind and push back.  More than any sitting MP, Polievre has gone to the jugular of the Liberal power centre.  Charest basically said the Liberals were right in cracking down harshly on the vax mandate protesters and that he supports Liberal climate policy.  What sane person who wants to bring Canada back to the centre could support that?   He’s a Liberal.  Polievre is far from perfect, but he’s the only potential PM with the balls and following to bring down the NDP-Liberal dictatorship.  

Edited April 23, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[ExFlyer]

35 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You can say that about any MP.  I don’t fault Polievre for collecting the same salary as other MP’s.  If the only criticism of him is that he’s been in government a long time, I’d say at least he isn’t scared to speak his mind and push back.  More than any sitting MP, Polievre has gone to the jugular of the Liberal power centre.  Charest basically said the Liberals were right in cracking down harshly on the vax mandate protesters and that he supports Liberal climate policy.  What sane person who wants to bring Canada back to the centre could support that?   He’s a Liberal.  Polievre is far from perfect, but he’s the only potential PM with the balls and following to bring down the NDP-Liberal dictatorship.  

No. Poliwhatever "is also one of the richest politicians in Canada with a net worth of about $9 million. Poilievre made his money through politics and has grown his wealth since 2004 when he assumed office."

 

He will be the same. It is easy to be in opposition....just complain about everything. Just like on this forum LOL

[Zeitgeist]

5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

No. Poliwhatever "is also one of the richest politicians in Canada with a net worth of about $9 million. Poilievre made his money through politics and has grown his wealth since 2004 when he assumed office."

 

He will be the same. It is easy to be in opposition....just complain about everything. Just like on this forum LOL

I don’t fault people for using their talents.  He invested his earnings successfully.  Well done.

He would also make mistakes as PM.  They all do.  I don’t look to government to be the saviour.  In Canada government plays a big role in our lives, so we have to concern ourselves with it.  

Edited April 23, 2022 by Zeitgeist