Will The Gesundheitspass Actually Be Scrapped?

[West]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No it was from a link posted earlier in a similar thread.

I don't put much weight in those links you post. There's quite a bit of narrative building going on. They often don't isolate the millions of people coerced into vaccination through threats of job losses or restoration of their quality of life but who had no real chance of ever ending up in hospital with Covid.

Media outlets are heavily subsidized by big pharma and you can tell. 

Edited April 20, 2022 by West

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Your assertion that 100% vaccination would have meant zero-covid is part of the conspiracy theory you've been force-fed. It is based on a lie.

I never asserted that and neither did anyone else. Of course according to you COVID vaccine causes COVID so...

[dialamah]

30 minutes ago, West said:

The whole goal of lockdowns and vaxx mandates were to eradicate covid. It was never realistic and has done a great deal of damage

No it wasn't.  It was to slow the spread, not eliminate Covid.  Slowing the spread to reduce the pressure on health care. 

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, West said:

I don't put much weight in those links you post.

It was a link to Statista that was posted by one of you dweebs who thought the information they posted meant something it didn't 

[ExFlyer]

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Baloney.

Big Pharma and governments out-right said that if you got the jabs you would NOT get covid and you would NOT die.

Horse shit! Now that is a out and out lie. Did you read that on Facebook??? LOL

No one ever said COVID would be eradicated and/or that vaccinations were the "cure".

They said from the beginning that it would lessen the severity and potentially prevent death.

[ExFlyer]

10 minutes ago, West said:

No I remember you guys specifically stating that a vaccinated person couldn't transmit covid. It was the basis for the Gesundheitspass. 

Nice revisionist history tho

Never said. Nice made up story though LOL

Masks were mandated for everyone, not just the unvaccinated.

[West]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I never asserted that and neither did anyone else. 

Uh yeah they did. 

 

3 minutes ago, dialamah said:

No it wasn't.  It was to slow the spread, not eliminate Covid.  Slowing the spread to reduce the pressure on health care. 

They shifted the goal posts hundreds of times during Covid. 

[Infidel Dog]

Remember this:

"I'm not going to shut down the economy. I'm going to shut down the virus!"

 

 

 

 

 

Joe Biden

 

United States government official

Our 5-step plan to fight COVID-19 this winter:

1. Expanding the nationwide booster campaign

2. Launching new family vaccination clinics

3. Making at-home tests available

4. Increasing surge response teams

5. Accelerating our efforts to vaccinate the rest of the world.

 

How'd that work out for you, Joe? Covid Net Zero yet?

Edited April 20, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, West said:

Uh yeah they did. 

I knew the back-pedalling would begin shortly - now that it's clear the vax is not doing what it was promised to do.

"Oh, no one EVER said the vaccine would prevent infection." ?

Very soon now, lots of public health officials will start saying "No one forced you to get it, it was totally your choice and you knew it was experimental."

 

[West]

8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Never said. Nice made up story though LOL

Masks were mandated for everyone, not just the unvaccinated.

"Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick, and that it's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data."

-Rochelle Walensky, CDC director

 

Comments like this followed by a couple months of "legal experts" telling you the Gesundheitspass was actually not only legal but morally necessary. And viola there was a Gesundheitspass

Edited April 20, 2022 by West

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Remember this:

Remember this:

Quote

“We are looking at a winter of severe illness and death for the unvaccinated — for themselves, their families and the hospitals they’ll soon overwhelm,” Biden said.

Turns out, it was a bad winter for the vaccinated.  And it's getting worse.

[Goddess]

16 minutes ago, dialamah said:

No it wasn't.  It was to slow the spread, not eliminate Covid.  Slowing the spread to reduce the pressure on health care. 

And now its the vaccinated clogging up hospitals and ICUs.......all to posture that they are morally superior for injecting themselves and their children with an experimental drug.

Your moral superiority is evaporating by the day.

[West]

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It was a link to Statista that was posted by one of you dweebs who thought the information they posted meant something it didn't 

Yet you still didn't address my point. 

Many of those people not at risk of hospitalization could just as easily skew the statistic the other way if they remained unvaccinated.

It's speculation to assume that the vaccine prevented them from being hospitalized. Unvaccinated people were recovering without hospitalization pre-vaccine.

[Goddess]

29 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Horse shit! Now that is a out and out lie. Did you read that on Facebook???

No.

I heard it from the CDC director, Rochelle Walensky

Quote

 

"Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick, and that it's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data."

-Rochelle Walensky, CDC director

 

And then it was repeated by public health officials and governments all over the world.

Edited April 20, 2022 by Goddess

[West]

17 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I knew the back-pedalling would begin shortly - now that it's clear the vax is not doing what it was promised to do.

"Oh, no one EVER said the vaccine would prevent infection." ?

Very soon now, lots of public health officials will start saying "No one forced you to get it, it was totally your choice and you knew it was experimental."

 

The issue is that to challenge the quote by the CDC director that I posted at the time would've meant your medical license. 

So they went with group think propped up by threats. Scary place for "science" to be. Sounds more like a cult.

[Goddess]

6 minutes ago, West said:

The issue is that to challenge the quote by the CDC director that I posted at the time would've meant your medical license. 

Scary place for "science" to be. Sounds more like a cult.

Yup.

The only consensus they had was by censoring and blacklisting and firing doctors and scientists who disagreed.  That is definitely NOT science.

Cult?  It seems to be a cult now, deliberately ignoring and excusing the lies they've been told and the real world evidence.  Some are calling these ones Branch Covidians.  It certainly fits.

[West]

Just now, Goddess said:

Cult?  It seems to be a cult now, deliberately ignoring and excusing the lies they've been told and the real world evidence.  Some are calling these ones Branch Covidians.  It certainly fits.

We seriously need separation between the church of Covidians and the state

[Goddess]

Another cult-like symptom is creating degrading names for those who disagree with you.  In my former cult, they called anyone who wasn't one of them "worldly."  And it was a denigrating word.  If you didn't toe the line, you were showing "worldly" tendencies.

Thus the term "anti-vaxxer" is thrown around.

Interestingly, none of the censored doctors and scientists were saying NO to the vaccine.  They were only saying it should be focused protection for those most vulnerable and for anyone else who freely chose to be part of the experiment. 

Without any long-term studies on a vaccine technology that never performed well in trials and had never been tried on humans, it seemed a reasonable stance.  And unfortunately, has proven to be the correct stance in the end.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

No.

I heard it from the CDC director, Rochelle Walensky

And then it was repeated by public health officials and governments all over the world.

And today was when??? Date of the comment? as I said, the virus has mutated.

As for unvaccinated in hospital, more than half were admitted for something else and had no covid symptoms bu t ested positive..

[West]

Just now, ExFlyer said:

And today was when??? Date of the comment? as I said, the virus has mutated.

Wow. Shifting the goalposts again

[Goddess]

Just now, West said:

Wow. Shifting the goalposts again

Yeah.  Without admitting that he out-right lied about the statement coming from Facebook.

And "the virus mutated."  Well, duh.  That's what viruses do.  No big revelation there, Professor Obvious. That's what the censored scientists and doctors said would happen.  They also said it would mutate faster with the leaky covid vaccine which doesn't sterilize the virus. And they were correct.  That's exactly what it did.  

Is it New Variant day again?

Too bad Big Pharma, the CDC, the FDA, governments or public health officials don't  "follow the science."

[West]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Yeah.  Without admitting that he out-right lied about the statement coming from Facebook.

And "the virus mutated."  Well, duh.  That's what viruses do.  No big revelation there, Professor Obvious. That's what the censored scientists and doctors said would happen.  They also said it would mutate faster with the leaky covid vaccine which doesn't sterilize the virus. And they were correct.  That's exactly what it did.  

Is it New Variant day again?

Too bad Big Pharma, the CDC, the FDA, governments or public health officials don't  "follow the science."

Not to mention folks above said they never said the vaxx would stop transmission. Which the CDC said exactly that and used as a rational for Gesundheitspass.

Remember the old "you took the polio vaccine and haven't gotten polio" argument? The argument is based on the faulty assumption the vaccine stops you from catching Rona.

Edited April 20, 2022 by West

[ExFlyer]

11 minutes ago, West said:

Wow. Shifting the goalposts again

Nope, without dates, that could have been said in the very beginning, even before vaccinations were developed.  Lost was said without anyone knowing details.

One of your heros even said you could clean it out using bleach.

Edited April 20, 2022 by ExFlyer

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Nope, without dates, that could have been said in the very beginning, even before vaccinations were developed.  Lost was said without anyone knowing details.

She said what she said.  And governments and public health officials imposed restrictions and lockdowns, forced vaccinations and vaccine passports based on her lies. 

She knew it was a lie because there were no long-term studies that showed what she was claiming.

Tragically, if she had just listened to doctors and scientists instead of censoring and blacklisting them, none of the collateral damage to society would have occurred.

We have all paid the price for listening to the lies.

 

 

[West]

21 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Nope, without dates, that could have been said in the very beginning, even before vaccinations were developed.  Lost was said without anyone knowing details.

One of your heros even said you could clean it out using bleach.

 

22 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Nope, without dates, that could have been said in the very beginning, even before vaccinations were developed.  Lost was said without anyone knowing details.

One of your heros even said you could clean it out using bleach.

It was said on March 30th, 2021 just as the push for vaccine mandates began.