Moonbox Posted March 19, 2022 Report Posted March 19, 2022 38 minutes ago, West said: 1. They are more an expert in their field than you are. When they raised concerns about lockdowns and children, they had their license threatened. Show me where and why. There was LOTS of published research about the negative effect of lockdowns on children from universities etc, and from what I understand few/none of them were threatened/censured for talking about the negative effects of isolation etc. The physicians who were disciplined were the ones making shit up about how vaccines would hurt kids and nonsense like that. 38 minutes ago, West said: 2. The states that faired the worst (New York) also had some of the most draconian restrictions and mandates. There was no correlation between your mandates and better outcomes. In fact, you could argue wholisfically their health was in a worse space. It's too bad the statistics don't confirm that, with New York falling well behind the numerous 9 other states for deaths per capita despite being the epicenter and ground-zero for COVID-19 when it first spread to the USA. The worst performer? Unsurprisingly, Mississipi. It's almost as if there was a clear correlation between low vaccination rates and the number of deaths per capita ?. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
West Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) Anyway, the reason why the WEF's influence is so concerning is what we've witnessed in these forums by certain posters. Someone with a liberal arts degree thing they are smart, and as such can then influence how much oil and gas we produce, whether or not your "views" are acceptable and by extension if you should be allowed to protest or hold a bank account. Their international travel platform they are developing is concerning for that reason. These are the lunatics that believe in cancel culture. If you dont wholeheartedly support certain causes then you have no place in the labour market. Why should we trust that they aren't going to develop a system that doesn't target people who they have disagreements with? We've already seen it with liberals all over the place. Don't see why we shouldn't be concerned with liberals and their thin skin having this much control. Edited March 19, 2022 by West Quote
Zeitgeist Posted March 19, 2022 Report Posted March 19, 2022 We don’t even have to frame it as left versus right, because the so-called left parties in Canada aren’t supporting workers and liberal-democratic values. The concern is government overreach. The best societies are the freest ones. It doesn’t mean there aren’t laws and protections. It means that behaviour is only restricted when it threatens the freedom of others. The best policies are lessez-faire. The constitution is there to ensure that the will of the majority doesn’t stomp on minority or individual rights. If anything we need more rights, not less. The use of martial law against peaceful protesters and the freezing of bank accounts is a dark chapter in our history. Unfortunately, the forces that brought in these measures are still in power. The WEF’s influence in Canada is probably higher than in any other country. This is a recent phenomenon. Are you enjoying this? I think Canadians should be very concerned. I think our government has damaged our sovereignty and democracy. Quote
West Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: Show me where and why. There was LOTS of published research about the negative effect of lockdowns on children from universities etc, and from what I understand few/none of them were threatened/censured for talking about the negative effects of isolation etc. The physicians who were disciplined were the ones making shit up about how vaccines would hurt kids and nonsense like that. It's too bad the statistics don't confirm that, with New York falling well behind the numerous 9 other states for deaths per capita despite being the epicenter and ground-zero for COVID-19 when it first spread to the USA. The worst performer? Unsurprisingly, Mississipi. It's almost as if there was a clear correlation between low vaccination rates and the number of deaths per capita ?. What would a professor like Dr Byram Briddle have to gain by raising alarms of increased cancers? I think I'll trust him, a specialist in the area of vaccinology over you (an internet troll) or even a general practitioner. I think I'll trust Dr. Christian, one of the few trauma surgeons IN THE COUNTRY over you (an internet troll) or even a general practioner when he raises concerns about PERMANENT HEART DAMAGE due to a vaccine. As for your nonsense about Mississippi? Please. Compare Florida to New York. Both similar populations. One stayed open. The other shut down. Very similar socioeconomic conditions. Florida has faired slightly better. Edited March 19, 2022 by West Quote
West Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Posted March 19, 2022 58 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: We don’t even have to frame it as left versus right, because the so-called left parties in Canada aren’t supporting workers and liberal-democratic values. The concern is government overreach. The best societies are the freest ones. It doesn’t mean there aren’t laws and protections. It means that behaviour is only restricted when it threatens the freedom of others. The best policies are lessez-faire. The constitution is there to ensure that the will of the majority doesn’t stomp on minority or individual rights. If anything we need more rights, not less. The use of martial law against peaceful protesters and the freezing of bank accounts is a dark chapter in our history. Unfortunately, the forces that brought in these measures are still in power. The WEF’s influence in Canada is probably higher than in any other country. This is a recent phenomenon. Are you enjoying this? I think Canadians should be very concerned. I think our government has damaged our sovereignty and democracy. To me it seems to be those "on the left" politically who are the most keen on cancelling folks on the other side. Not only are the people who disagree with them wrong, but should not be allowed to "take up space" and thus inflicting as much pain on them as possible is justified. We saw it with the Rona. We saw it with Donald Trump. We will no doubt see it with the WEF's travel platform which will likely put some "terms of service" in place to curtail "unacceptable views". Quote
Zeitgeist Posted March 19, 2022 Report Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, West said: To me it seems to be those "on the left" politically who are the most keen on cancelling folks on the other side. Not only are the people who disagree with them wrong, but should not be allowed to "take up space" and thus inflicting as much pain on them as possible is justified. We saw it with the Rona. We saw it with Donald Trump. We will no doubt see it with the WEF's travel platform which will likely put some "terms of service" in place to curtail "unacceptable views". I’ve come to the stark conclusion that there are two opposing forces at play in North America and the world: totalitarian socialist and liberal-democrat. The problem is that in Canada only about half of the Conservative Party is liberal-democrat. Everyone else in Parliament is totalitarian socialist. Trudeau is a wannabe Castro or Xi. The Republicans are liberal-democrat but most of the Democrats are totalitarian socialist. The WEF is totalitarian socialist and is pushing countries to shift that way. The traditional “left” parties in North America are basically authoritarian. It’s woke-green totalitarianism versus the Republican Party. Crazy times… Edited March 19, 2022 by Zeitgeist Quote
West Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Posted March 19, 2022 16 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: I’ve come to the stark conclusion that there are two opposing forces at play in North America and the world: totalitarian socialist and liberal-democrat. The problem is that in Canada only about half of the Conservative Party is liberal-democrat. Everyone else in Parliament is totalitarian socialist. Trudeau is a wannabe Castro or Xi. The Republicans are liberal-democrat but most of the Democrats are totalitarian socialist. The WEF is totalitarian socialist and is pushing countries to shift that way. The traditional “left” parties in North America are basically authoritarian. It’s woke-green totalitarianism versus the Republican Party. Crazy times… Yup. Totalitarianism is the only way to solve the world issues says the totalitarian socialists Quote
Moonbox Posted March 19, 2022 Report Posted March 19, 2022 2 hours ago, West said: What would a professor like Dr Byram Briddle have to gain by raising alarms of increased cancers? Who knows? Maybe nothing, maybe he liked the attention. It doesn't mean his science was good. The better question is why you figure that a small potatoes associate professor at Guelph's Veterinary College is the most authoritative figure on these debates, other than the fact that he's one of the relative few dissenters that places like Rebel Media can comb the world for to support their narrative. 2 hours ago, West said: I think I'll trust Dr. Christian, one of the few trauma surgeons IN THE COUNTRY over you (an internet troll) or even a general practioner when he raises concerns about PERMANENT HEART DAMAGE due to a vaccine. but not any other the other trauma surgeons in Canada who disagree with him, or the ones in the US or Europe or everywhere else in the world. The ONLY health professionals that matter are the few that Rebel Media or Fox News or Telegram can highlight. ? 2 hours ago, West said: As for your nonsense about Mississippi? Please. Compare Florida to New York. Both similar populations. One stayed open. The other shut down. Very similar socioeconomic conditions. Florida has faired slightly better. Florida's vaccination rates are high, like New York's, they were not ground zero for COVID-19 in the USA (no JFK airport) and it's warm there, so people aren't stuck indoors swapping germs like they are in New York during late winter/early spring. Mississippi's death per capita (helps to filter out population size, in case you don't know) was high because it's an uneducated Bubba state with low vaccination rates. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
West Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Posted March 19, 2022 32 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Who knows? Maybe nothing, maybe he liked the attention. It doesn't mean his science was good. The better question is why you figure that a small potatoes associate professor at Guelph's Veterinary College is the most authoritative figure on these debates, other than the fact that he's one of the relative few dissenters that places like Rebel Media can comb the world for to support their narrative. but not any other the other trauma surgeons in Canada who disagree with him, or the ones in the US or Europe or everywhere else in the world. The ONLY health professionals that matter are the few that Rebel Media or Fox News or Telegram can highlight. ? Florida's vaccination rates are high, like New York's, they were not ground zero for COVID-19 in the USA (no JFK airport) and it's warm there, so people aren't stuck indoors swapping germs like they are in New York during late winter/early spring. Mississippi's death per capita (helps to filter out population size, in case you don't know) was high because it's an uneducated Bubba state with low vaccination rates. 1. Or trust that a guy actually did his job and provided his findings with integrity ? 2. Who's saying anything about a "conspiracy"? Once again you are making up stuff. 3. Name these trauma surgeons and disclose who funds them. 4. There are doctors, such as Dr. McCullough in the US who have a long history of writing peer reviewed articles. Yet according to a woman and genders study major like yourself they are smucks because they disagree with you lol. Facts are the only thing you have are threats and ad hominems. 5. Florida never implemented mask mandates and have put in legislation to protect against vaccine mandates. They also have some major international airports. Your argument is ridiculous. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted March 19, 2022 Report Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, West said: 1. Or trust that a guy actually did his job and provided his findings with integrity ? 2. Who's saying anything about a "conspiracy"? Once again you are making up stuff. 3. Name these trauma surgeons and disclose who funds them. 4. There are doctors, such as Dr. McCullough in the US who have a long history of writing peer reviewed articles. Yet according to a woman and genders study major like yourself they are smucks because they disagree with you lol. Facts are the only thing you have are threats and ad hominems. 5. Florida never implemented mask mandates and have put in legislation to protect against vaccine mandates. They also have some major international airports. Your argument is ridiculous. Yes and Florida has a lot of elderly. Their approach through the second half of the pandemic is really the exemplary model. Bringing forward facts that challenge the status quo used to be considered important, especially by the left during 60’s counter culture. Now such people are dismissed as conspiracy theorists by suppressive cancel culture. Our current governments and mainstream media are quite reactionary and anti free speech. Now it’s only the traditionally right wing parties demanding freedom, rights, and free speech. World upside down… Edited March 19, 2022 by Zeitgeist Quote
West Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Yes and Florida have a lot of elderly. Their approach through the second half of the pandemic is really the exemplary model. Calling people who bring forward facts that challenge the status quo used to be considered important, especially by the left during 60’s counter culture. Now such people are dismissed as conspiracy theorists by suppressive cancel culture. Our current governments and mainstream media are quite reactionary and anti free speech. Now it’s only the traditionally right wing parties demanding freedom, rights, and free speech. World upside down… "Education" has basically just turned into indoctrination camps by the leftists. I too have faced the leftist firing squad (tho a different topic) so I know what these doctors and Frontline nurses are going through. Edited March 19, 2022 by West Quote
Zeitgeist Posted March 19, 2022 Report Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, West said: "Education" has basically just turned into indoctrination camps by the leftists. I too have faced the leftist firing squad (tho a different topic) so I know what these doctors and Frontline nurses are going through. Yes Bill Maher last night said that over 70% of Americans are scared to say what they really think. What does that say about the state of free speech and liberty in our time? Canada is worse off in this department because our opposition is so discredited by government and media that there isn’t much space for free speech. It’s why I’m losing faith and interest in Canada and large parts of the US. Our culture has become stifling. Edited March 19, 2022 by Zeitgeist Quote
West Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Posted March 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Yes Bill Maher last night said that over 70% of Americans are scared to say what they really think. What does that say about the state of free speech and liberty in our time? Canada is worse off in this department because our opposition is so discredited by government and media that there isn’t much space for free speech. It’s why I’m losing faith and interest in Canada and large parts of the US. Our culture has become stifling. What's alarming about that statistic is that we can assume those 30% actually agree with the nonsense being perpetuated Quote
Zeitgeist Posted March 20, 2022 Report Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, West said: What's alarming about that statistic is that we can assume those 30% actually agree with the nonsense being perpetuated Sadly, I think the percentages are higher in Canada of people who are willing to go along to get along when it comes to accepting undemocratic policies and attitudes. Canada really doesn’t feel as free as it used to. I think that’s somewhat true for the west as a whole, but Canada seems especially impacted. When Putin played “Oh Canada” on the piano and stopped before the word “free” the night that the HOC voted to support the Emergencies Act, he was making significant commentary. Edited March 20, 2022 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote
West Posted March 20, 2022 Author Report Posted March 20, 2022 20 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Sadly, I think the percentages are higher in Canada of people who are willing to go along to get along when it comes to accepting undemocratic policies and attitudes. Canada really doesn’t feel as free as it used to. I think that’s somewhat true for the west as a whole, but Canada seems especially impacted. When Putin played “Oh Canada” on the piano and stopped before the word “free” the night that the HOC voted to support the Emergencies Act, he was making significant commentary. Canada is a slow simmer. We for whatever reason are very trusting of the government or our institutions. Politeness is our archilles heel. You can't be polite with leftists anymore. 1 Quote
Zeitgeist Posted March 20, 2022 Report Posted March 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, West said: Canada is a slow simmer. We for whatever reason are very trusting of the government or our institutions. Politeness is our archilles heel. You can't be polite with leftists anymore. People have to be fearless and say what they think or we’ll settle into a mindless acceptance of the cancel culture, censorship, and government overreach that we’ve come to expect these past two years. We also need to scrap carbon taxes and the anti-energy policies that are crushing us economically along with inflationary government overspending. Quote
eyeball Posted March 20, 2022 Report Posted March 20, 2022 6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: World upside down… You do realize our planet's orientation is an arbitrary one right? It flips and flops whenever it feels like and on occasion it can even assume 5 positions at once! Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Zeitgeist Posted March 20, 2022 Report Posted March 20, 2022 28 minutes ago, eyeball said: You do realize our planet's orientation is an arbitrary one right? It flips and flops whenever it feels like and on occasion it can even assume 5 positions at once! Read about the Roman festival Saturnalia Quote
eyeball Posted March 20, 2022 Report Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Read about the Roman festival Saturnalia I kinda got all that out of my system through the late 70's early 80's. Pickin' bluegrass tunes with all my pals over gallons of goof during the fall music festival circuit after a good season of fishing was like...a whole different world. Halcyon days man. The heaven I imagine - hopefully see a few of those who got left behind again - 'twould be nice. Edited March 20, 2022 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Moonbox Posted March 20, 2022 Report Posted March 20, 2022 17 hours ago, West said: 1. Or trust that a guy actually did his job and provided his findings with integrity ? but only that guy, and not the other 99% of doctors and experts around the world who disagree with him and can highlight the errors in his conclusions. It's only the dudes who tell you what you want to hear and who parrot your conspiracy theories back to you that have integrity. This is what psychologists like to call cognitive dissonance. Trying to rationalize your farcical world views must be exhausting. You're coping so hard. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Zeitgeist Posted March 20, 2022 Report Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Moonbox said: but only that guy, and not the other 99% of doctors and experts around the world who disagree with him and can highlight the errors in his conclusions. It's only the dudes who tell you what you want to hear and who parrot your conspiracy theories back to you that have integrity. This is what psychologists like to call cognitive dissonance. Trying to rationalize your farcical world views must be exhausting. You're coping so hard. You’re what in the days of Soviet Russia was called Soviet Man, kind of like the Company Man of corporate America, but more propagandized. You buy into whatever you’re told. The irony of course is that even the powerful leaders who demanded absolute submission from the people despised these soulless dupes. Stalin used to play cruel games like imprison their wives to test their loyalty. It turns out that even most tyrants respect an honest enemy over someone who has no mind of his own. Edited March 20, 2022 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote
West Posted March 20, 2022 Author Report Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) 99% eh ?. Moonbox knows more than a trauma surgeon. His Liberal Arts degree makes him smart. I'd like to see you go head to head with any of those docs and tell them they are uneducated. The whole room would erupt in laughter at you. Edited March 20, 2022 by West Quote
Zeitgeist Posted March 20, 2022 Report Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) I’m really going to try not to get too much into supporting any particular political parties, because there seems to be a structural problem with government now, or at least the people who govern quickly forget why they’re there. I’m entirely focused on threats to liberty. Everything else is just noise. Clearly the WEF is a threat to freedom. Trudeau has also sought to curtail our freedoms, and has plenty of overreach to show for it. Edited March 20, 2022 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote
Moonbox Posted March 20, 2022 Report Posted March 20, 2022 30 minutes ago, West said: 99% eh ?. Moonbox knows more than a trauma surgeon. His Liberal Arts degree makes him smart. I've an bussiness/econ grad, but whatever. I'm soooo ashamed I'm educated. ? Your statement above is hilarious though. On one hand you're complaining that I don't listen to the one doctor who got fired for bullshitting and spreading conspiracy theories, but you're disagreeing with the overwhelming majority of experts is...what? Smart? How do take yourself seriously making this sort of argument? The delusional hypocrisy of it is mind-boggling. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
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