World Economic Forum (WEF) Influence on Canadian Policy

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Okay, what does that have to do with the WEF?  

The cited example of a donor having their account locked out was never verified and in fact had a lot of logical problems with it.  The best explanation I saw, came from somebody who said they were familiar with the situation who stated that the donor shared an account with a person who was involved with the protest itself.

[Michael Hardner]

20 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

 

The UN's Agenda 30/21, the EU, The WEF - all different parts of the same animal.

It's already 2022.  How is the plan going ?  More countries are free than in the past so it seems like not so well.

[Moonbox]

@West

 I was asking a legit question.  When I ask something specific you just seem to veer off vaguely in another direction about something unrelated, hoping/assuming people just sort of go with it or something.  

What does the Emergency Act and the Banks freezing people's accounts have to do with the WEF and travel documentation software?

Edited March 17, 2022 by Moonbox

[West]

8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

The cited example of a donor having their account locked out was never verified and in fact had a lot of logical problems with it.  The best explanation I saw, came from somebody who said they were familiar with the situation who stated that the donor shared an account with a person who was involved with the protest itself.

The accountant had his account locked. The fact that any bank can be pressured to close down bank accounts without a warrant or due process over a political dispute should be troubling to any Canadian. Though I get you hate people and that gets in the way. 

[West]

4 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

@West

 I was asking a legit question.  When I ask something specific you just seem to veer off vaguely in another direction about something unrelated, hoping/assuming people just sort of go with it or something.  

What does the Emergency Act and the Banks freezing people's accounts have to do with the WEF and travel documentation software?

It's called an example. 

You aren't serious. Your a full time troll. Sad and pathetic one at that 

[Moonbox]

4 minutes ago, West said:

It's called an example. 

an example of what?

How does it have anything to do with the WEF and why you figure it's so scary?  

 

[West]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

an example of what?

How does it have anything to do with the WEF and why you figure it's so scary?  

 

Your lack of understanding of stakeholder capitalism is astonishing. I'm not gonna write a 15 page essay on the WEF core values and beliefs. 

If you are actually serious about having a conversation like a big boy, maybe look into the topic first before spamming a thread. 

[Moonbox]

Just now, West said:

Your lack of understanding of stakeholder capitalism is astonishing.

If you say so, but economics are both what I went to school for and how I earn a living.  I promise you don't want to debate me on this.   

Just now, West said:

I'm not gonna write a 15 page essay on the WEF core values and beliefs. 

From the sounds of it, you don't understand them yourself.  You're just parroting vague and poorly explained nonsense that you've dredge up from the interwebs.  

Just now, West said:

If you are actually serious about having a conversation like a big boy, maybe look into the topic first before spamming a thread. 

So you can't answer any of the questions I've asked or explain any of the points you're trying to make.  Got it.  

[Infidel Dog]

38 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's already 2022.  How is the plan going ?  More countries are free than in the past so it seems like not so well.

Well from the globalist point of view things are going pretty good actually. Did you miss this bit:

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 You cannot just impose globalisation in one movement you have to do it incrementally and the way to do that is through regionalisation.

Now as to this increased freedom if would depend on who you ask. Protestors, not in line with the control objectives of the agendas might disagree. Those censored by social media would wonder what you're talking about.

Remember the good ol' days when if you worked hard you could afford a new home? How's that going for those starting out Are they feeling more free? Ever heard of the Black Rock investors group or Vanguard? That's who you'll be dealing with if you want to get into a bidding war for property. That's also Agenda 21 and 30. Move them out. Move them into areas you control. Not just Black Rock or Vanguard either. Know who the big owner of farms and ranches is now? Or at least he's bought up most of the available property. Bill Gates. And he keeps buying it.

Those of us who decided to remain non-compliant to vax passes during this latter part of the Scamdemic don't feel more free. Do you feel more free behind your silly little useless mask?

Truckers don't feel more free. I don't feel more free now that the Price of gas is sky-rocketing. Or for that matter food clothing and everything else.

What exactly are you talking about - more free - anyway?

Edited March 17, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

1. Well from the globalist point of view things are going pretty good actually. Did you miss this bit:

2. Now as to this increased freedom if would depend on who you ask. Protestors, not in line with the control objectives of the agendas might disagree. Those censored by social media would wonder what you're talking about.

3. Remember the good ol' days when if you worked hard you could afford a new home?  How's that going for those starting out Are they feeling more free? Ever heard of the Black Rock investors group or Vanguard? That's who you'll be dealing with if you want to get into a bidding war for property. That's also Agenda 21 and 30. Move them out. Move them into areas you control. Not just Black Rock or Vanguard either. Know who the big owner of farms and ranches is now? Or at least he's bought up most of the available property. Bill Gates. And he keeps buying it.

 

1.  Mm hm.  What did they intend to achieve in the ways of one-world government by 2021 ?   I don't see anything close to that happening.

2. Ok well I'm not talking about people getting Facebook warnings.    Talking more about Freedom of the Press, governments and so on.  Of course, if you think 'Freedom' is defined by what you personally are allowed to do then you know you might be missing the big picture.

3. Nobody promised anyone that factory work, or agriculture would be a golden ticket to a good life forever, sorry.  Also, the liberal billionaires you are blaming for this are .... billionaires.  These aren't people that the left loves, they are people that the left hates.  And wanting a better life for working people is also something that the left wants - the true left.

[Michael Hardner]

Let's also look at why factory work and such paid so well up until the last 1/4 of the 20th century:

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/on-to-ottawa-trek

The labour movement was a hard-left movement that was violent, ugly and dismissed by the same kind of 'nice folks' who dismiss protests like BLM and the Convoy - yes both of them.  There was never supposed to be a good life for manual labour, and especially not for 'unskilled' manual labour.  The attitudes persist today in the way people talk about the 'low' jobs in society such as fast food or delivery work.

 

[Infidel Dog]

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1.  Mm hm.  What did they intend to achieve in the ways of one-world government by 2021 ?   I don't see anything close to that happening.

Economic destabilization, Property control, Social fragmentation, movement of control to larger global organizations. I can't help you if you won't look around at the world you live in or at least read a bit at the links you were given:

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Multiculturalism has brought with it raised crime levels, ghettos and lack of integration, housing shortages and oversubscribed schools, GP surgeries/hospitals and a gridlocked transportation system.       

Now we are about to see the UN Climate Change/New Green Deal agenda about to be imposed globally without any debate or consent.   This will see a massive redistribution of wealth FROM the already overburdened working-class TO the multinational corporatocracy – far from bringing peace and prosperity to the people this will further impoverish and divide communities. 

Rosa Koire states Land is being seized by the State under sustainable development – could this be the massive land banking by developers we are witnessing at the local level aided and abetted by local Councils?

She also states Major corporations want full movement of workers without borders, to be able to move their goods without restrictions and to reduce wages and exploit and control populations by tightly packing people into condensed as smart cities where they can be easily surveilled monitored and controlled.

With all that we are witnessing today – it is very clear to me what is fact and what is fiction – how about you?

 

Edited March 17, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

Oh and I almost forgot - Parents losing control of their children's education is also a major part of Agenda 21 now 30.

This is why the Globalists have made peace with the Marxists. They share the ultimate common goal of global control.

It's kind of fun to watch the battle between the 2 sides in the early stages of development. It's like watching crows fight it out with seagulls at the dump for a scrap of meat. Hi AOC. Hi Nancy.

Edited March 17, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

1. Economic destabilization, Property control, Social fragmentation, movement of control to larger global organizations.

2. I can't help you if you won't look around at the world you live in or at least read a bit at the links you were given:

3. Multiculturalism has brought with it raised crime levels, ghettos and lack of integration, housing shortages and oversubscribed schools, GP surgeries/hospitals and a gridlocked transportation system.       

4. Now we are about to see the UN Climate Change/New Green Deal agenda about to be imposed globally without any debate or consent.   

5. This will see a massive redistribution of wealth FROM the already overburdened working-class TO the multinational corporatocracy – far from bringing peace and prosperity to the people this will further impoverish and divide communities. 

6. Rosa Koire states Land is being seized by the State under sustainable development – could this be the massive land banking by developers we are witnessing at the local level aided and abetted by local Councils?

7. She also states Major corporations want full movement of workers without borders, to be able to move their goods without restrictions and to reduce wages and exploit and control populations by tightly packing people into condensed as smart cities where they can be easily surveilled monitored and controlled.

8. With all that we are witnessing today – it is very clear to me what is fact and what is fiction – how about you?

1a. Fragmentation and destabilization is the last thing that people who already hold power want.  The outcomes of chaos are unpredictable and as such, any plan to destabilize and unwind existing institutions tends to come from people who have nothing but revolutionary fire in their eyes. 

1b. Larger Global organizations are indeed more powerful and this is a common complaint of the left and the reason why leftists have long wanted international unions.

2. I have read many links in my lifetime and come to conclusions based on what I have seen.

3. From what I have read crime rates have been generally dropping over time. Ghettos were a problem before immigration and housing shortages are a relatively new phenomenon with a separate list of causes not proven to be linked to immigration in the way you are describing.  I have looked at it and the number of new housing starts seems to match immigration....

4. Wow.  You don't think that Climate Change has been debated since... before 1990?

5. Your concerns about wealth distribution would be valid if the so-called elite were building Green Energy, new roads or ... anything really.

6. Don't know what you are talking about but eminent domain has been an issue for small business and home owners everywhere.

7. Of course they want this.  

8. It really sounds like the same thing Marxists have been saying for years, with a strange alt-right anti-environmental sticker slapped on the front.  But Agenda 21 is just an idea, kind of like "trickle down" was.   Your problem doesn't seem to be WHAT governments and businesses are doing but how they are sharing the wealth.

[West]

56 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

If you say so, but economics are both what I went to school for and how I earn a living.  I promise you don't want to debate me on this.   

From the sounds of it, you don't understand them yourself.  You're just parroting vague and poorly explained nonsense that you've dredge up from the interwebs.  

So you can't answer any of the questions I've asked or explain any of the points you're trying to make.  Got it.  

You are arguing against your shadow there little boy. 

[Infidel Dog]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1a. Fragmentation and destabilization is the last thing that people who already hold power want.  

6. Don't know what you are talking about but eminent domain has been an issue for small business and home owners everywhere.

Well if you think you already speak for what globalists want after asking for information on what that was you're too infatuated with your ignorance to help. 

On what you're calling # 6. for instance, of course you don't know what I'm saying. It wasn't me saying it and there was a link to the whole article if you were actually interested. It was a quote from Rosa Koire. She goes beyond eminent domain. I gave you links and an article to show you the mechanics of how that all works but if you're determined to think not knowing makes you smarter I can't help you.

You asked what the procedure was of how the globalists planned  to take power. I tried to point you to some places they would show you but you seem convinced that not knowing makes you too smart to know or something.

Whatever. Enjoy I guess. Don't ask if you don't want to know though. 

Edited March 17, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[West]

3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Well if you think you already speak for what globalists want after asking for information on what that was you're too infatuated with your ignorance to help. 

On what you're calling # 6. for instance, of course you don't know what I'm saying. It wasn't me saying it and there was a link to the whole article if you were actually interested. It was a quote from Rosa Koire. She goes beyond eminent domain. I gave you links and an article to show you the mechanics of how that all works but if you're determined to think not knowing makes you smarter I can't help you.

You asked what the procedure was of how the globalists planned  to take power. I tried to point you to some places they would show you but you seem convinced that not knowing makes you too smart to know or something.

Whatever. Enjoy I guess. Don't ask if you don't want to know though. 

I'm always suspicious of folks who tout their intelligence. Whether it be Klaus Schwab telling us he alone is going to solve "inequality" and "climate change" or the liberal arts major telling you they've got all the answers to the tough issues (which involves a magical money tree) and that the right kind of communism hasn't been tried yet therefore we must silence everyone but them because they are the voice of all virtuous things. 

Yeah I don't buy it. 

[Michael Hardner]

11 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

1. Well if you think you already speak for what globalists want after asking for information on what that was you're too infatuated with your ignorance to help. 

2. On what you're calling # 6. for instance, of course you don't know what I'm saying. It wasn't me saying it and there was a link to the whole article if you were actually interested.

3. It was a quote from Rosa Koire. She goes beyond eminent domain. I gave you links and an article to show you the mechanics of how that all works but if you're determined to think not knowing makes you smarter I can't help you.

4. You asked what the procedure was of how the globalists planned  to take power. I tried to point you to some places they would show you but you seem convinced that not knowing makes you too smart to know or something.

 

1. I just want clarity.  We have people on here who are various degrees of protectionist/nationalist so I want to know what we're talking about.  On the far end, this is a preposterous conspiracy theory of how the world works.  On the near end, it's simply a reaction - and an understandable one - to the huge changes we have seen in our political economy with technology.

2. I didn't see it and I just went back and looked at the last posts and it wasn't there.  I googled her and found this:

"Koire defines UN Agenda 21 succinctly: “The action plan to inventory and control all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all energy, all information and all human beings in the world.”"

Which is fine, that's her idea.  But look at the scope of this initiative. "all land" ?  This dwarfs any James Bond villain plan ever put on film.  Unless this article is wrong her fears are just ridiculous and unfounded.  This is the 'far end' of globalism fears I talked about and unless she's being misquoted it's not worth wasting time on her.

3. I'm determined to understand but I won't waste my time on farfetched ideas.  Do you ?  How do you throw out or ignore farfetched theories ?  If you did that and somebody said you were ignoring the truth, what would your response be ?

4. I have my knowledge of how the world works.  Why would I toss that aside because somebody I never heard of suspects that Maine conservation plans are tied to some world plot ?  How would you imagine such a thing would get going ?

[Zeitgeist]

At the moment that public pressure mounts to lift vaccine mandates and vaccines, we now have crushing inflation that will push people back into their villages and take away some of their homes.

Having a Canadian leader who is infatuated with prominence on the world stage hasn’t served the interests of Canadians.  Canada has basically become the first place to implement new global programs like digital ID and vaccine passports.  We’re also the go-to resettlement country for refugees from the battlegrounds of great powers and failed or weak states.

There’s no longer much consideration of affordability or constitutional rights.  The main drivers of policy in Canada are defined internationally, currently the “pandemic crisis” and “climate crisis”.  Our high cost of living and suppression of freedoms derive almost entirely from these issues, the central concerns of the WEF and WHO, organizations that are heavily influenced by China and have collectivist goals.  

Edited March 18, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Moonbox]

The problem with this logic is that both COVID-19 and Climate Change are global problems requiring global solutions.   The simplest and most obvious explanation (that these problems are real and that everyone in the world isn't lying) is usually the correct one.  You'd no doubt prefer to stick your head in the sand and pretend both are conspiracies, but this logic requires to believe that everyone around the world is all on-board and in on the scheme.

Both the health and climate scientists in Canada, the US, Europe, India, China, Japan etc are all following the same shadowy agenda, along with all of the scholars and journalists and educators...and all to accomplish what, exactly?  Control of everything?  The debasement of the white race?  The end of democracy?  It depends on the day and what particular conspiracy theorist you're talking to.  ?

[Michael Hardner]

23 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 The main drivers of policy in Canada are defined internationally, currently the “pandemic crisis” and “climate crisis”.  Our high cost of living and suppression of freedoms derive almost entirely from these issues, the central concerns of the WEF and WHO, organizations that are heavily influenced by China and have collectivist goals.  

This is a dotted line at best.  All countries face pandemic, inflation, supply issues.  "Heavily influenced" by China and "Collectivist" goals is not provable unless you assume that there are secret dealings going on...

[Zeitgeist]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

This is a dotted line at best.  All countries face pandemic, inflation, supply issues.  "Heavily influenced" by China and "Collectivist" goals is not provable unless you assume that there are secret dealings going on...

You’re just wrong.  The WEF Global Reset plans aren’t a secret and they’re collectivist in nature, 100%.  Much of our policy has been aligned around an Internationally-defined pandemic response for over two years.  Dr. Tam said she was waiting for international go-ahead before providing national directives.  Inflation is a direct result of energy supply reductions that are central to climate change policies, the flooding of the markets with public debt to provide assistance to businesses and individuals through pandemic shutdowns, and the ongoing disruptions to supply chains caused by lockdowns, vaccine mandates, and other fallout from governments obsessed with the health impacts of one virus that has become relatively mild.

The heavy influence of the WEF on governments is deeply concerning for Canadians.  You downplay this as an annual spa getaway think tank.  I’m no longer wasting energy trying to convince you.  It’s probably easier for you and most people to keep the blinders on, so they will.  I’m just pushing back where I can, but people are accustomed to the curtailments of freedoms and I think more are coming.  

Edited March 18, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[West]

"Climate science" isn't a real thing. They are a bunch of left leaning political activists trying to drum up some "emergency" to make themselves relevant, and gain access to research grants.

The "science" community is less about actual science now with big time beaurocracy tying grants to the end of a stick to enforce compliance. 

You try and pretend like grant money is free of any political interference but we know that's not the case. Doesn't mean you are a flat earther or alien apologist to point out the obvious.

Just because someone can regurgitate what a university professor tells them doesn't make them intelligent. 

Edited March 18, 2022 by West

[Michael Hardner]

23 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

1. You’re just wrong.  The WEF Global Reset plans aren’t a secret and they’re collectivist in nature, 100%.  

2. Much of our policy has been aligned around an Internationally-defined pandemic response for over two years.  Dr. Tam said she was waiting for international go-ahead before providing national directives.  

3. Inflation is a direct result of energy supply reductions that are central to climate change policies,

4. ...the flooding of the markets with public debt to provide assistance to businesses and individuals through pandemic shutdowns, and the ongoing disruptions to supply chains caused by lockdowns, vaccine mandates, and other fallout from governments obsessed with the health impacts of one virus that has become relatively mild.

5. The heavy influence of the WEF on governments is deeply concerning for Canadians.  

6. You downplay this as an annual spa getaway think tank.  

7. I’m no longer wasting energy trying to convince you.  It’s probably easier for you and most people to keep the blinders on, so they will.  

8. I’m just pushing back where I can, but people are accustomed to the curtailments of freedoms and I think more are coming.  

1. I suppose anybody lobbying government could be framed as 'collectivist' but how does such a label help us ?  Is Lockheed Martin a collectivist organization too ?

2. Well the pandemic didn't attack Ontario it attacked the Earth, so yes we look internationally for information.  Coordination is actually a good idea sometimes.

3. Not proven.  Climate Change policies have been happening for 30 years why did inflation spike now ?  The Pandemic is a more convincing reason.

4. Yes this

5. I want to know why you can quantify this influence as 'heavy' versus that of, say, the owners of Post Media ?

6. I didn't, though, until I read Michelle Rempel's piece.

7. Well you didn't post any convincing links.  I don't have blinders, I read reputable, nonymous opinions in text form that resonate with things I have learned in the past.

8. Alt-right didn't complain when Harper curtailed them...

[Zeitgeist]

19 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I suppose anybody lobbying government could be framed as 'collectivist' but how does such a label help us ?  Is Lockheed Martin a collectivist organization too ?

2. Well the pandemic didn't attack Ontario it attacked the Earth, so yes we look internationally for information.  Coordination is actually a good idea sometimes.

3. Not proven.  Climate Change policies have been happening for 30 years why did inflation spike now ?  The Pandemic is a more convincing reason.

4. Yes this

5. I want to know why you can quantify this influence as 'heavy' versus that of, say, the owners of Post Media ?

6. I didn't, though, until I read Michelle Rempel's piece.

7. Well you didn't post any convincing links.  I don't have blinders, I read reputable, nonymous opinions in text form that resonate with things I have learned in the past.

8. Alt-right didn't complain when Harper curtailed them...

“Alt-right”?  Is that all you’ve got?  I don’t even consider myself right-wing.  You sound like Trudeau saying that the protesters were walking with people carrying swastikas when the people carrying swastikas were comparing Trudeau to Hitler and protesting authoritarianism.

Michelle Rempel downplays the WEF because she’s part of the WEF “young global leader” creepfest.

You’re basically an Internationalist collectivist, as far as I can tell, who will only support a CPC leader who keeps the same kinds of crippling climate policies and oppressive pandemic controls over the population as the Liberals.

Don’t worry, you’re not alone.  I don’t think Canada is a sovereign country anymore and most Canadians accept the latest global directives because their PM and associated media are on board. So is the Biden administration.

Just don’t whine about the drop in living standards and our government’s quasi-totalitarian policies, as they are a direct result of supporting the global pandemic and climate change narratives.  They aren’t the same as the national interests or the interests of Canadian citizens.

But you know, maybe you’ll stave off floods and fires in Micronesia.