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1 hour ago, Deluge said:

No, what you want is to be able to unleash Antifa types on people you don't like. Crybabies are toxic, and there's an immeasurable amount of diapers that need to be changed on the Left. 

What does “unleash antifa” mean?  When was the last time those people were even in the news?  

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14 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

What does “unleash antifa” mean?  When was the last time those people were even in the news?  

I said Antifa types - if they're not the hooded freaks who deface buildings and set automobiles on fire,  then they're the freaks who dox individuals or get them fired for not conforming to leftist thought. They're all over the place. 

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35 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

You better check your closet and under the bed too, maybe they are there too. 

Let me tell you, I am first to put thugs in prisons either they are AntiFa or Proud Boys. I am a radical when it comes to thugery. This is why I never went into politics or as a judge. You need people to think case by case without BIAS.

but, nothing in the recent history from the far left will beat what radicals did on the right on Jan 6. To go and invade the Capitol like hordes of barbarians, to make international news with people dressed horned singing inside the Capitol, was shameful. Not to mention the violence against police. 

You probably don't care about international image because you listen to only what Trump has to say to you, but as someone that travels, someone that has friends all over the world and talks, I can tell you, what the far right did on January 6th is no comparing in terms of image to antifa radicalics on the other side burning fast food buildings. Is the symbol of it which makes your side even more shameful in my opinion. From a point of marketing, it was terrible. They were probably laughing in China and Russia that day.

Until the communists on the left do something at that magnitude your argument does not hold in my view.

"but, nothing in the recent history from the far left will beat what radicals did on the right on Jan 6".

That comment has the stink of wokeness all over it. 

First of all, Jan 6 was a protest gone bad, nothing else - many of you still believe Trump was chief instigator of the imagined insurrection lol. In truth, I wouldn't be surprised if there were Antifa types there to exacerbate things. 

The fact that you place Jan 6 above ALL other destruction and violence Antifa and BLM spread across this nation is another sure indicator that you're closeted for the woke. 

There's not one thing any Trump hating activist can tell me that says they are here for the balance. It's radical woke wankery all the way for these types, and that's really it. 

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2 minutes ago, Deluge said:

"but, nothing in the recent history from the far left will beat what radicals did on the right on Jan 6".

That comment has the stink of wokeness all over it. 

First of all, Jan 6 was a protest gone bad, nothing else - many of you still believe Trump was chief of the imagined insurrection lol. In truth, I wouldn't be surprised if there were Antifa types there to exacerbate things. 

The fact that you place Jan 6 above ALL other destruction and violence Antifa and BLM caused is another sure indicator that you're closeted for the woke. 

There's not one thing any Trump hating activist can tell me that says they are here for the balance. It's radical woke wankery all the way for these types, and that's really it. 

I think, now, everything that doesn't fall within the confines of the collective beliefs of your cult is "woke'. 

Everything.  Literally.

Anyone who believes what happened on January 06 was just a protest gone bad has truly overdosed on the Kool-Aid.

What it was was a failed attempt by a bunch of useless losers, at the behest of another useless loser, to change the result of an election.  That they came across as a disorganised rabble is only because they were a disorganised rabble.  The intent remains what it was.  The execution was crap, because they, and their leader, were crap.

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1 minute ago, Contrarian said:

so according to this, Paul Ryan is woke, a champion of Ayn Rand politics, that also calls what Jan 6 and Trump movement is for the Republican party. 

He is woke and a communist according to the logic. 

The way they get around that is to substitute the ridiculous RINO name.

As though DT wasn't the very epitome of RINO.

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24 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I think, now, everything that doesn't fall within the confines of the collective beliefs of your cult is "woke'. 

Everything.  Literally.

Anyone who believes what happened on January 06 was just a protest gone bad has truly overdosed on the Kool-Aid.

What it was was a failed attempt by a bunch of useless losers, at the behest of another useless loser, to change the result of an election.  That they came across as a disorganised rabble is only because they were a disorganised rabble.  The intent remains what it was.  The execution was crap, because they, and their leader, were crap.

There's only one true cult in this country, and that's leftism. The rest of us just want to be left alone to live our lives. You really should stop screaming and do the same. You might be amazed at what you can accomplish! 

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Just now, Contrarian said:

 You know another suggestion I might have. 

Now that the forum seems to welcome new members, is great for discussion, but if you can not contain your feelings and feel insulted to have a conversation with people that don't think like you, the admin here is a very man, you can send him a message to ask you to set up a Safe Space for Trump fans. 

So you get to run this department, and you get everybody there on this board that likes Trump and every day you howl, yell, shout, call the other side communist, etc. 

This way opposite ideas do not make you uncomfortable. 

Ok, Hulk ?

Who's insulted? I've already explained your side of the fence, yet you're still screaming and stamping your feet. 

Donald Trump is innocent, and to continue pursuing him is a complete waste of time. 

What else do you need me to teach you? 

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15 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

You know this is why is important always not to be on the offensive based on BIAS. I don't like Trump, you venerate him, and automatically assumptions start that me and you can don't meet on some things.

Absolutely Trump is guilty for other things, not this, but that is my opinion, but I also do not support charging him. The reason being, if Nixon wasn't, why would Donald Trump endenger the system?

Let me explain: 

If Trump gets charged it sets a dangerous precedent, and politics won't have that chivalry that your system used to have.

What will stop the Republicans next charging a President from the Democratic Party as retaliation? These types of politics weakens U.S. to foreign enemies that take advantages of weakness in the political process is my opinion. 

Even in the midst of the George Bush / Al Gore Crisis, there was decency. 

To this day, Trump has not accepted the election results. You can believe the elections are fake, just don't expect me to follow, your type of approach will never win Trump votes, because there are lots of people that have distaste for where the left is going but when they see what Trump has to offer, sometimes they hold their nose and vote the other side. 

Trump and his followers think they are some sort of elites, anyone that does not agree with them are "traitors, communists, woke." You can go that approach, but you will end up dining with "Ye" and Nick Fuentes at Maralogo. 

No, you actually hate Trump; you're obsessed with him; you hate him and you are obsessed with him because that's what leftists do: They hate Trump and they obsess over him. For you to say that you merely dislike Donald Trump is a gross understatement if not a flat out lie. 

Trump is guilty in your eyes, and in the eyes of every other woke radical. In fact, anyone who DOESN'T conform to woke activism is guilty in your eyes. That's the truth. 

My advice to you is to take a few steps back and take a look at the bigger picture. Take a look at ALL political leaders. Joe Biden is in office now; give your hate a rest and examine what that old hair sniffer is up to. 

I do believe the democrats cheated in the elections, but I've also learned to let go - something leftists are clearly unable to do. 

Again, give your Trump hate a rest - you need it; you all need it. 

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8 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I understand you believe that. 

 

They have to believe that.  If Trump supporters could not explain away criticism by saying it is simply based on hatred, they would have to acknowledge and explain their support in the face of that criticism.  And at this stage of the game, it would be quite embarrassing to admit you still fall for it all.

Better if "it all" is simply the result of our hatred.

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5 hours ago, Contrarian said:

If Trump gets charged it sets a dangerous precedent

How is having a president who is untouchable by the justice system any different than having a king?    
And how would you draw the line?  Can the president assault someone?  Steal from the treasury?  
 

That’s a very silly notion that a president should be above the law.  

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22 hours ago, Contrarian said:

I understand you believe that. 

But so far, the law in your country did not make any charges or found any conspiracy. 

And let me clear something, when I say traitors and insurrections, I am referring strictly to the ones that entered, only a fanatic would call for the arrests for all Trump fans that attended the protest on January 6th. 

The FBI knows the difference too: 

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence

Is good that the FBI and the competent law system is lead by professionals, not by ideologues.

I am willing to listen contrary to your tribal rant that the "Woke" has taken over my mental capacities, show me the conspiracy details except from rumours on internet boards, show me intelligence reports, the court documents, was law enforcement involved? Once you provide that material, I will read it and then let you know. If I disagree, well welcome to democracy. ?

And I will let you know whether your thoughts on this subject even matter. 

Now, point out where I said I had evidence that the democrats cheated in the election.

Since you won't find anything, I will help you understand better. I said I BELIEVE they cheated, and that's despite the lack of actual evidence.

See, another glaring flaw that festers on your side is the belief that nothing exists until liberals prove it. lol.

I once had some empty headed wokeness disciple try to tell me that it was virtually impossible for voter ballots to be anywhere other than where they're supposed to be. Of course, it didn't take long for that nonsense to be disproven: 

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/11/12/santa-clara-county-ballots-found-discarded-in-mountain-ravine-investigation-launched/

One thing you have to understand is that democrats are worse than Republicans. It's always been that way and it always will be. Take a look at Joe Biden and the rest of the leftists in our government. They don't give a damn about this country nor its constitution. Global Marxism is the only thing that matters to these traitors. 

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On 1/15/2023 at 6:52 PM, TreeBeard said:

What does “unleash antifa” mean?  When was the last time those people were even in the news?  

It will never leave the minds of the people who call themselves Conservatives today.

My Dad was a lifelong Tory, big Dief/Stanfield supporter. His generation got medals for shooting fascists dead, one grandpa left Italy because of Mussolini another was a folk hero for fighting Franco in Spain and now I'm supposed to believe they need to be tolerated? F that noise.

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On 10/17/2022 at 11:15 AM, Jedi_Master_Tallyn said:

Why not use 10th Grade Biology? 

 

This is the way I remember it being taught to me in the 90's. "The human race is part of the animal kingdom and is called homo-sapien-sapien. Simple scientific fact. There no separation based on:

1. Skin pigment

2. Region of birth

3.Language spoken

4. Whom ever you choose to pray too

5. Sexual attraction

Just the human race period.

I therefor postulate that our leaders and the mainstream media do not want to stamp out "racism" because if they did what else would they have to throw at the other side to instantly destroy any credibility they might have. Besides a sex scandal name for me something that will destroy a candidate faster than calling them a racist whether it can be proven or not. So why stop "racism when it is such a valuable tool to attack your political opponents with? It is up to us the gen pub to take racism away from them to destroy it we have to stop giving racist attention unless it is to argue against them calmly and rationally. Do not hate them pity them and educate them the skin pigment does not equal a separate race, being born in x region does not equal a separate race, so forth and so on. That is just my take on it and what I tried to teach my kids. We are all brothers and sisters in humanity. 

I think the unspoken concern is that by identifying as human beings we might logically start identifying as Earthlings and then question the point of national identities.

It's a slippery slope.

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On 1/16/2023 at 11:17 AM, Contrarian said:

In terms of symbolism, the effect it had on the international stage, absolutely. People might forget burning stores down, but they don't forget when the symbol of the United States was taken over, even briefly. Is the impact.

Clearly you are someone of young age, that still has much to learn. That or some people don't improve their thinking and remain at the 0 vs. 1 basic programming. 

Right now you are at the stage of "one man fixes all my problems." 

When you will grow, have a mortgage, maybe start a business or have a career, you will realise how complex things really are. 

Until then, keep using populistic terms like "wokeness" to think you are impressing somebody or steer the conversation from your low level messages. I don't know what goes in the head of you Trumpists sometimes.

Isn't the goal to get independents, libertarians, centrists to think about the excesses of the left and maybe in a vote of protest join with Trump, this is what happened when he won.

With your type of messages, which probably do not cover an IQ higher than 80, you are not servicing your cause too good is my opinion. 

Better luck in your journey to change minds for your herd, will argue again. ?

You're a Canadian. That right there relegates you to the back of this conversation. 

Now, it doesn't matter what you think you know, because you don't know a damn thing. Parroting the media is not an indicator of superior intelligence; it's the exact opposite. You're inferior in every way possible and that is due to your allegiance to socialism. Socialists have no status here, therefore YOU have no status here. 

Jan 6 was a protest gone bad - that's it. If Jan 6 was a REAL insurrection, it would've been a lot uglier than that. Again, you don't know a damn thing. 

There has been talk of sympathetic FBI agents goading some of the protesters into action but there isn't enough evidence to substantiate that. All we know is that jackasses got unruly, but now it's over, and normal people have moved on. Leftists aren't normal people, and that's why they haven't moved on. YOU haven't moved on. 

Again, given that you don't know a damn thing, it's best that you stick with what you do know: Climate scare, abortion rights, pronoun policing and stupid sh*t like that.  

 

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On 1/14/2023 at 1:30 PM, TreeBeard said:

So, you’d like it if it were socially acceptable for you to call black people “niggers” as well?  

Either it is NOT socially acceptable for EVERYONE to call black people (or other races, by the way) niggers, then what's the point. If it's a bad word, it's a bad word. If you think it's only bad when white people use it, you are a racist and a hypocrite.

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On 1/15/2023 at 6:29 PM, bcsapper said:

No.  Donald Trump went in front of the whole world and showed himself to be a crybaby without parallel. The average lefty can't hold a candle to him.

He is still at it, even though it has been shown that he never believed he won the election after all.  There are an awful lot of gullible people who believed him when he said he did, though, and some even sent him money.

You didn't send him any money, did you?

Nope. 

The Donald exposed the Left for the frauds they are, and he'll do the same when he wins back the presidency.

Diapers will need changing when Donald Trump takes his rightful place in the Oval Office. 

Personally, I can't wait! :)

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3 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Nope. 

The Donald exposed the Left for the frauds they are, and he'll do the same when he wins back the presidency. Diapers will be changed when Donald Trump returns to the White House for four more years. 

Personally, I can't wait! :)

Fill your boots...

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On 1/14/2023 at 2:09 PM, TreeBeard said:

So, you’d like to call black people niggers without any social repercussions ….  that’s what I’m hearing.  

I'd want some fairness.  A black using the word "nigger" should incur the same wrath that I would. Or we both should be allowed to say what we want.

I grew up being called Ofay, Whitey, The Man, Honky, and the modern day white nigger term: Cracker.

There are plenty of slurs to go around: Kike, greaser, beaner, pollack, zipperhead, sheeny, frog eater, spearchucker, guinea, wop, dyke, queer, f@g, etc.

The word Nigger comes from poor white trash being unable to pronounce the Spanish word for black: Negro.

If one believes in free speech, one can't just be selective as to what speech is politically correct.

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