Positives from the Pandemic

[Faramir]

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

So there were 3 major parties in the 1933... national socialists, socialists and communists.

So nobody wanted anything right-wing it seems.
And yet a pro-military anti-Jewish anti-freedom party that favoured law and order and rewarded capitalism somehow emerged   

How ... odd ?

Little more complicated than that.  What was put in place was a business community beholden to marching orders from the Fuhrer.  Hence a fascist system of government. It was not some small business rewarding capitalist paradise.  Meaning fascism and communism are on the same side of the freedom spectrum.  Sort of like the Mensheviks vs the Bolshevists vs the Trotsky faction.   The Jew angle was simply a culmination of century old anti-Jew hatred that still exists today taken to its natural conclusion.  Even today the allies like GB are Jew haters.

[Faramir]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

BC's right wingers used to call themselves the Social Credit Party. Then they joined the Liberals.

Right-wingers seem to have been miss-fitting odd-ducks since at least the French Revolution when the term was invented. 

French revolution was basically the first Communist revolution.

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, Faramir said:

You realize Churchill was a right wing conservative?  And he opposed the National Socialists.

Yup and I bet he opposed communists even more.

What would you have done in 1933 given the choice?

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

BC's right wingers used to call themselves the Social Credit Party. Then they joined the Liberals.

Also we had a party called 'Progressive Conservatives'  aka the Oxymoron Party

[eyeball]

Just now, Faramir said:

French revolution was basically the first Communist revolution.

So would you have rallied around the monarch and left him with absolute power instead?

[Faramir]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Yup and I bet he opposed communists even more.

What would you have done in 1933 given the choice?

Not allied with the Russians.  Like Charles Lindberg I would have been, had I been American, a American Firster.  Let the National Socialist and Bolshevists kill each other off.  Unlike Churchill, FDR had a boy crush on Stalin.

[EastCanada90]

11 minutes ago, Faramir said:

With China as the big fascist state, Canada is the little fascist state.

lol  whatever weirdo

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

So would you have rallied around the monarch and left him with absolute power instead?

This conversation is hilarious... let's look at history using only a perspective of 2022 politics...

[Faramir]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

So would you have rallied around the monarch and left him with absolute power instead?

Nope.  But like all good intentions socialist movements end in tears.  My God, France is on what, its 5th Republic? Tells you what a failure the French Revolution was.  Got to a point you could get your head removed for looking the wrong way.  Which is why the British were so horrified.

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

This conversation is hilarious... let's look at history using only a perspective of 2022 politics...

The biggest Pandemic positive might be the shattering of illusions. 

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, EastCanada90 said:

lol  whatever weirdo

There used to be a parrot in the pet store who would swear.  People would have a laugh talking to it for about 5 minutes then they would walk away.  And they wouldn't go back.  They would just walk past the pet store next time.

Do you see what I'm getting at ?

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, eyeball said:

The biggest Pandemic positive might be the shattering of illusions. 

Also rando trucker sex...

[Faramir]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

Also rando trucker sex...

Sex is definitely a casualty.  

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Faramir said:

Nope. 

That would have made you a bonafide lefty.

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But like all good intentions socialist movements end in tears.  My God, France is on what, its 5th Republic? Tells you what a failure the French Revolution was.  Got to a point you could get your head removed for looking the wrong way.  Which is why the British were so horrified.

Tells me more about what happens when conservatives insist on being right-wingers - the gap between the powerful and the powerless increases eventually leads to social dysfunction.

$10 says the French conservatives that hitched their wagons to their king's were mostly Catholics too.

[EastCanada90]

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

There used to be a parrot in the pet store who would swear.  People would have a laugh talking to it for about 5 minutes then they would walk away.  And they wouldn't go back.  They would just walk past the pet store next time.

Do you see what I'm getting at ?

lol yes this website has about atleast 3  to 5 of those i can think of  off the top of my head?

[Faramir]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That would have made you a bonafide lefty.

Tells me more about what happens when conservatives insist on being right-wingers - the gap between the powerful and the powerless increases eventually leads to social dysfunction.

$10 says the French conservatives that hitched their wagons to their king's were mostly Catholics too.

You mean the power gap that exists between rich liberals and their institutions from average hard working Canadians?  Or the liberal political class that is far removed from the working poor? The only time the left embraces the poor is to drive a wedge between political opponents.

yes you are right to your second assertion.  The Catholics obsessed with their king were to blame for France's conditions.  Problem is the French Republic that came out of it was worse than was before. Thank God the hero like the Duke of Marlborough defeated that little tyrant Napoleon. 

[eyeball]

38 minutes ago, Faramir said:

You mean the power gap that exists between rich liberals and their institutions from average hard working Canadians?  Or the liberal political class that is far removed from the working poor? The only time the left embraces the poor is to drive a wedge between political opponents.

No, exactly what I said, strictly the gap between power and powerlessness.  Unless I'm mistaken conservatives refer to this gap or state as an unchanging inevitability that's due to something often referred to as natural law.

In a political system, any system at all, the result appears to have been the same - the development of innies and the outies and a struggle between the two that results in a often violent revolution.

I think progressive people have a little more faith in the ability of human's to change our nature and break this cycle whereas conservatives don't.  Why do they also feel the need to actively resist though, do conservatives view themselves as some force of nature or something? 

Edited February 1, 2022 by eyeball

[Faramir]

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, exactly what I said, strictly the gap between power and powerlessness.  Unless I'm mistaken conservatives refer to this gap or state as an unchanging inevitability that's due to something often referred to as natural law.

In a political system, any system at all, the result appears to have been the same - the development of innies and the outies and a struggle between the two that results in a often violent revolution.

I think progressive people have a little more faith in the ability of human's to change our nature and break this cycle whereas conservatives don't.  Why do they also feel the need to actively resist though, do conservatives view themselves as some force of nature or something? 

I would agree there is the powerful and powerless.  Especially in government.  But it exists elsewhere as well.  In the USA it is the establishment and its willing allies.  That often means Wall Street and progressives against hard working Americans.  Also the Deep State (FBI, NSA, CIA) against Americans.  Or China and its sycophants in both the USA and Canada vs those of us that think we make a massive mistake losing our manufacturing the China.  The political class is well rewarded so they will never turn on China.

[DogOnPorch]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

That's right. I know you're awfully hung up on the word social but yeah right wing socialists have been around forever...own it.

 

It's all fascism. Some guy in a uniform telling you what to do or worse. Be it virtual or right in your face. All march to the same step...or else. That's where we are all heading.

[Faramir]

9 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

It's all fascism. Some guy in a uniform telling you what to do or worse. Be it virtual or right in your face. All march to the same step...or else. That's where we are all heading.

I give Canada 20 more years before its a full fascist state.  Look to Quebec and its big brother way it treats its people.  You can get fined for example if you don't pull your garbage to the curb for pickup or not using a hand rail at the Metro. They are the picture boy for nanny state.

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, Faramir said:

I give Canada 20 more years before its a full fascist state.  Look to Quebec and its big brother way it treats its people.  You can get fined for example if you don't pull your garbage to the curb for pickup or not using a hand rail at the Metro. They are the picture boy for nanny state.

 

Social credit scores and such. People's phones giving them alarms when you get close. It's already in Red China...and our government admires their ways.

[Faramir]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Social credit scores and such. People's phones giving them alarms when you get close. It's already in Red China...and our government admires their ways.

China = Liberal Party of Canada.  The LPC is a client organization of the Chinese Communist party.

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, Faramir said:

China = Liberal Party of Canada.  The LPC is a client organization of the Chinese Communist party.

 

It's worse than that. I mentioned on here that I had a sobering moment at a remote train crossing as thousands of China Shipping containers went by. British Columbia...at the very least...is Red China. 

[Faramir]

5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

It's worse than that. I mentioned on here that I had a sobering moment at a remote train crossing as thousands of China Shipping containers went by. British Columbia...at the very least...is Red China. 

Yes because no one gives a rip as long as you can buy something for $1.25 at a dollar store. Frankly I think trade with China has made us poorer.  Take the year 1975.  Since then wages have not kept up to living costs.  Yes, I can get a nifty computer phone for cheap, but you can't eat a iphone.   Back then one person worked, and that person and the kids all had a car in the drive way.  And savings.

Yes we have better programming and better gadgets but I would go back to 1975 in a heart beat.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Faramir said:

I would agree there is the powerful and powerless.  Especially in government.  But it exists elsewhere as well.

Yes I've been saying for years around here that communist governments and societies have right wings too. They even have their conservatives.

 

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In the USA it is the establishment and its willing allies.  That often means Wall Street and progressives against hard working Americans.  Also the Deep State (FBI, NSA, CIA) against Americans.  Or China and its sycophants in both the USA and Canada vs those of us that think we make a massive mistake losing our manufacturing the China.  The political class is well rewarded so they will never turn on China.

This is nonsense of the sort that only works to keep up the illusion that everyone should be looking back and forth with distrust instead of up and down.

Edited February 1, 2022 by eyeball