Putin Dummying Another Dem President

[Faramir]

16 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

There’s no comparison, Einstein. Maybe if you hadn’t dropped out of school you would actually know something about the Cuban missile crisis. 
 

- US is not building missile silos in Ukraine with nukes aimed at Russia

- There was no Cold War between Putin’s Russia and USA, although there is now thanks to Putin 

-- The missile crisis did not result in a US invasion of Cuba 

-Ukraine is run by a recognized democratically elected government, not a dictator who seized power in a military coup a year prior and was not recognized as the legitimate government, and who nationalized all US-owned property and assets in the country.

You shameless Putin apologists. “No collusion” eh but you’re falling all over yourself to defend Putin and out down Ukraine, Europe and NATO. 

No one is defending Putin.  We are just calling into question Zelensky's bad associations.  Hillary, Joe and Hunter, Zuckerberg, and Soros - and other anti-American liberals

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Faramir said:

They need to get rid of that baboon Zelensky and do some real clean up of all Biden's lackeys in the Ukraine

I am not sure Zelenski is the problem here. He's apparently already said Ukraine will drop any designs on joining NATO and I think that's both wise and courageous. Now if he's a good negotiator and has some foresight, he might "trade" NATO membership for very favourable trade deals with Russia AND the EU. To be the "keystone" to Russo-European relations.

That would necessitate the removal of all Russian military personnel and operations and the removal of NATO personnel and operations. No missiles...no grunts...no ships...no planes. Ukraine must finance its own military, should it choose. It can freely purchase both military and civilian goods from either side...for as long as NATO and Russia insist on this endless dick-fight.

Strategically speaking...the Comedian has the Spy and the Senate Lacky by the short and curlies. Let's see if he realizes this...

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

How many Republicans or conservatives at the time of the Cuban missile crisis were making the same arguments you're making now?

I don't know. For sure there would have been some people who were worried it would trigger war. I don't care. The point is that Americans felt like the threat of war was justifiable because they didn't want Russian missiles there. 

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Citing a Cuban Republican saying it was perfectly reasonable for Russia to want nukes in Cuba might help substantiate the reasonableness of your position too.

WTF are you talking about?

Find some Americans who say "Kennedy was wrong to block Cuba, threaten WWIII, and depth-charge a Russian sub!" 

Those people can say "Putin has no right to invade Ukraine" without looking like hypocrites. Everyone else who disses Putin for this choice is just a weasel. 

I spent my whole life appreciative of the fact that Kennedy did what he did. (It worked out. If it didn't I never would have been born though, maybe no one would). It would be absolute hypocrisy for me to adopt the position that Putin has no right to attack Ukraine right now. He gave Ukraine a chance to avoid war, just like Kennedy gave Krushchev. 

Edited March 15, 2022 by WestCanMan

[eyeball]

33 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It would be absolute hypocrisy for me to adopt the position that Putin has no right to attack Ukraine right now. He gave Ukraine a chance to avoid war, just like Kennedy gave Krushchev. 

It's the disgusting ridiculousness of you apologizing for a terrorist who's holding the world hostage by saying he has a right to do what he's doing that's at issue.

[Faramir]

The outcome will be a win for the globalists and a loss for the Ukraine and Russia. 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Faramir said:

The outcome will be a win for the globalists and a loss for the Ukraine and Russia. 

This war may be a big win for the western world if China doesn't do something soon to prove that they're really on Russia's side in this.

Right now China is seen as being quite adversarial to the west, and there's all kinds of talk about bringing critical industries back to NA, or at least anywhere but China. 

If this war becomes a wedge between Russia and China then both countries are basically without friends, unless you count places like Iran and NoKo.  

[Faramir]

17 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

This war may be a big win for the western world if China doesn't do something soon to prove that they're really on Russia's side in this.

Right now China is seen as being quite adversarial to the west, and there's all kinds of talk about bringing critical industries back to NA, or at least anywhere but China. 

If this war becomes a wedge between Russia and China then both countries are basically without friends, unless you count places like Iran and NoKo.  

yeah, there may be a populist revulsion against China, but the people in charge are still on their Payroll.  The USA is basically a fiefdom of China with all its players in Congress winning with keeping status quo in China. The Bidens make way too much cashola to turn against China.  And the LPC is a client agency of the Chi Coms.

[BeaverFever]

On 3/14/2022 at 10:58 PM, WestCanMan said:

I have facts and history, you have your world-class ability to play stupid. 

Kennedy - Khrushchev

Putin - Zelensky

Game, set, match. 

You have nothing except a high-school dropout’s understanding of history and the world.   Which is to say you have nothing. 
 

To repeat:

 

1)  current events are in no way similar to the Cuban missile crisis and notably the US DID NOT INVADE CUBA AND BOMB ITS CITIES TO RUBBLE, GENIUS  

2)Ukraine THEORETICALLY joining NATO (which in now way was actually imminent or even ever going to happen) in no way justifies or necessitates a Russian invasion 

3) Putin’s motives have less to do with Ukraine sniffing around NATO membership  He’s bent meddling in the Ukraine and attempting to control it as a puppet state since he came to power  

PUTIN AMD PUTIN ALONE CHOSE THIS WAR. PUTIN IS FAILING TO STEAL UKRAINE JUST LIKE REPUBLICAN PUTIN APOLOGISTS FAILED TO STEAL THE 2020 ELECTION. DEAL WITH IT. 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You have nothing except a high-school dropout’s understanding of history and the world.   Which is to say you have nothing. 
 

To repeat:

 

1)  current events are in no way similar to the Cuban missile crisis and notably the US DID NOT INVADE CUBA AND BOMB ITS CITIES TO RUBBLE, GENIUS  

2)Ukraine THEORETICALLY joining NATO (which in now way was actually imminent or even ever going to happen) in no way justifies or necessitates a Russian invasion 

3) Putin’s motives have less to do with Ukraine sniffing around NATO membership  He’s bent meddling in the Ukraine and attempting to control it as a puppet state since he came to power  

PUTIN AMD PUTIN ALONE CHOSE THIS WAR. PUTIN IS FAILING TO STEAL UKRAINE JUST LIKE REPUBLICAN PUTIN APOLOGISTS FAILED TO STEAL THE 2020 ELECTION. DEAL WITH IT. 

You have nothing except a high-school dropout’s understanding of history and the world.   Which is to say you have nothing. 

To repeat:

1)  current events are identical to the Cuban missile crisis, because in both instances the threat of nearby WMDs was very real (there are dangerous bioweapons in Ukraine, and they're talking about joining NATO) and notably the US THREATENED OUTRIGHT WAR WITH RUSSIA AND EVEN DEPTH-CHARGED A RUSSIAN SUB, GENIUS

2)Ukraine EVENTUALLY joining NATO (which was encouraged by Kamala Harris just days before the war started) necessitates a Russian invasion, to the exact same extent that the presence of nukes in Cuba necessitated a war with Russia.

3) Putin’s motives have everything to do with Ukraine sniffing around NATO membership, and the presence of US/Ukraine bioweapons in Ukraine.  

ZELENSKI AND ZELENSKI ALONE CHOSE THIS WAR. PUTIN IS IN A LEGITIMATE WAR WITH UKRAINE. DEAL WITH IT. 

Edited March 18, 2022 by WestCanMan

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

1)  current events are identical to the Cuban missile crisis,

No, there was nothing that came even remotely close to the sort of sycophancy you and a handful of other right-wing lickspittles have put on display for the inhuman monster in charge of America's former arch-enemy..

Right-wing conservatives siding with an ex-KGB agent turned strongman...un-fucking believable.   There is no work of fiction of any genre more dystopian than that. 

Edited March 18, 2022 by eyeball

[WestCanMan]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

No, there was nothing that came even remotely close to the sort of sycophancy you and a handful of other right-wing lickspittles have put on display for the inhuman monster in charge of America's former arch-enemy..

Right-wing conservatives siding with an ex-KGB agent turned strongman...un-fucking believable.   There is no work of fiction of any genre more dystopian than that. 

Blah, blah, blah.

More of your discredited opinions without a hint of substance. 

It doesn't matter how you feel about Putin. Regardless of what he does in his own country, his people do deserve protection from bioweapons and NATO.

No one is saying that Putin, Pelosi or Hillary are good people.

No one is saying that Biden is a good president either. If Russia was putting nukes in Mexico I'd support a firm response from the US. 

[BeaverFever]

On 3/18/2022 at 1:20 AM, WestCanMan said:

You have nothing except a high-school dropout’s understanding of history and the world.   Which is to say you have nothing. 

To repeat:

1)  current events are identical to the Cuban missile crisis, because in both instances the threat of nearby WMDs was very real (there are dangerous bioweapons in Ukraine, and they're talking about joining NATO) and notably the US THREATENED OUTRIGHT WAR WITH RUSSIA AND EVEN DEPTH-CHARGED A RUSSIAN SUB, GENIUS

2)Ukraine EVENTUALLY joining NATO (which was encouraged by Kamala Harris just days before the war started) necessitates a Russian invasion, to the exact same extent that the presence of nukes in Cuba necessitated a war with Russia.

3) Putin’s motives have everything to do with Ukraine sniffing around NATO membership, and the presence of US/Ukraine bioweapons in Ukraine.  

ZELENSKI AND ZELENSKI ALONE CHOSE THIS WAR. PUTIN IS IN A LEGITIMATE WAR WITH UKRAINE. DEAL WITH IT. 

LMAO OMG Wow you’re spewing so many made-in-Moscow lies!  Putin’s really getting his money’s worth from his “Useful Idiots” on the American right. Too bad for them those Russian Rubles they’re getting paid are practically worthless now. 
 

There were no bioweapons being made in the Ukraine, Ukraine was not “about” to join NATO and neither of those things necessitates or justifies a Russian invasion anyway   Those are all facts  You’re no different than the right-wing Americans who were apologizing for Hitler  

 

You obviously know jack shit about the Cuba missile crisis (shocker) because that did not result in USA and Russia going to war. Someone who finished high school would know that. 

[WestCanMan]

16 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO OMG Wow you’re spewing so many made-in-Moscow lies!  Putin’s really getting his money’s worth from his “Useful Idiots” on the American right. Too bad for them those Russian Rubles they’re getting paid are practically worthless now. 

LMAO OMG Wow, I said so many things that are proven to be true but you choose to keep your head in the sand! Biden’s really getting his money’s worth from his “Useful Idiots” on the Canadian left. Luckily there's not some kind of recession in the US right now, and the Saudis aren't on the verge of kiboshing the petro dollar. 

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There were no bioweapons being made in the Ukraine, Ukraine was not “about” to join NATO and neither of those things necessitates or justifies a Russian invasion anyway   Those are all facts  You’re no different than the right-wing Americans who were apologizing for Hitler  

You just popped in here to tell a bunch of lies? What else is on your agenda this fine day, Beave? 

There are just a few bioweapons being researched in Ukraine and they're just remnants of the cold war, right Beave? But for some reason the US gov't is worried that Russia will get them. Hmmmm. That's weird.

If you think about it, by Nuland's own statements made under oath in the US Senate,

1) the bioweapons are old Russian tech,  (yes, they're there, the cat is absolutely out of the bag)

2) the US is worried that Russia will get their hands on it

1 + 2 = 3 (trust me on the math there) So the US/Ukraine admittedly has joint ownership/custody of some bioweapons but they think that the soviets got rid of all theirs? 

It's their old tech right, so it's obviously not the info about the bioweapons that they would need at all, just the actual weapons themselves. IE, the US believes that Russia has no bioweapons but the US does. But hey, they're still the good guys, right?

So. Weird. 

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You obviously know jack shit about the Cuba missile crisis (shocker) because that did not result in USA and Russia going to war.

That doesn't change the fact that Kennedy threatened war with Russia, and the US dropped depth charges on a Russian sub carrying nuclear-armed missiles.

The only difference is that Cuba avoided war, and Zelenski said "Let's have a war!"

In short, the Cubans/Russians were good guys who avoided war when threatened, and Ukraine accepted a war instead of just saying some words ("We won't join NATO").

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Someone who finished high school would know that. 

Anyone with an IQ over 70 wouldn't need to be told all of these things, anyone with an IQ over 50 would at least be able to understand them. 

My apologies if you still don't understand, I wrote it really slowly so that you could read it, but I can only give you the info - I can't understand it for you. 

[BeaverFever]

22 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

LMAO OMG Wow, I said so many things that are proven to be true but you choose to keep your head in the sand! Biden’s really getting his money’s worth from his “Useful Idiots” on the Canadian left. Luckily there's not some kind of recession in the US right now, and the Saudis aren't on the verge of kiboshing the petro dollar. 

You just popped in here to tell a bunch of lies? What else is on your agenda this fine day, Beave? 

There are just a few bioweapons being researched in Ukraine and they're just remnants of the cold war, right Beave? But for some reason the US gov't is worried that Russia will get them. Hmmmm. That's weird.

If you think about it, by Nuland's own statements made under oath in the US Senate,

1) the bioweapons are old Russian tech,  (yes, they're there, the cat is absolutely out of the bag)

2) the US is worried that Russia will get their hands on it

1 + 2 = 3 (trust me on the math there) So the US/Ukraine admittedly has joint ownership/custody of some bioweapons but they think that the soviets got rid of all theirs? 

It's their old tech right, so it's obviously not the info about the bioweapons that they would need at all, just the actual weapons themselves. IE, the US believes that Russia has no bioweapons but the US does. But hey, they're still the good guys, right?

So. Weird. 

That doesn't change the fact that Kennedy threatened war with Russia, and the US dropped depth charges on a Russian sub carrying nuclear-armed missiles.

The only difference is that Cuba avoided war, and Zelenski said "Let's have a war!"

In short, the Cubans/Russians were good guys who avoided war when threatened, and Ukraine accepted a war instead of just saying some words ("We won't join NATO").

Anyone with an IQ over 70 wouldn't need to be told all of these things, anyone with an IQ over 50 would at least be able to understand them. 

My apologies if you still don't understand, I wrote it really slowly so that you could read it, but I can only give you the info - I can't understand it for you. 

THE SUPPOSED “UKRAINE BIOWEAPONS LAB” CLAIM IS MORE MADE-IN MOSCOW LIES - FULL STOP
 

Repeating your lies and claiming that they’re “proven to be true” doesn’t actually make your lies true.   You know that right?
 

Equating the standoff of Cuba missile crisis standoff with the  devastation and destruction of the Ukraine war is just absolute idiocy. That’s like saying getting a girls phone number is pretty much the same as marrying and starting a family with her because the latter usually starts with the former (I bet you probably don’t know anything about that either amirite?). 

So by your idiotic logic, if USA told us to hand over Alberta or face invasion and have our cities bombed to rubble and we say no, then we’re responsible for starting the war, not the Americans bombing us?  That’s fucking retarded logic of the Russian-ownedTrump camp that any intelligent person can see right through. The un-American anti-democracy right wing trash is so desperate to apologize for Putin at any cost they’re falling all over themselves to make up this nonsense 

Edited March 19, 2022 by BeaverFever

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

Repeating your lies and claiming that they’re “proven to be true” doesn’t actually make your lies true.   You know that right?
 

Physician, heal thyself.

Everything that I said was true, and we both know for a fact that if I said something that wasn't you'd cite it directly, and you'd be in your glory.

Instead you're just another leftist making vague, unsubstantiated accusations.

* Yawn 

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Equating the standoff of Cuba missile crisis standoff with the  devastation and destruction of the Ukraine war is just absolute idiocy. That’s like saying getting a girls phone number is pretty much the same as marrying and starting a family with her because the latter usually starts with the former (I bet you probably don’t know anything about that either amirite?). 

The comparison to the Cuban Missile Crisis is this: Russia has a legitimate reason for this war. 

It's just a 100% legitimate war by the standards that almost every single American and Canadian agrees on.

Yes, it's war, but it's 100% legitimate, between two willing combatants. 

Anyone who claims that it's a Russian war of aggression is a total hypocrite. 

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So by your idiotic logic, if USA told us to hand over Alberta or face invasion and have our cities bombed to rubble and we say no, then we’re responsible for starting the war, not the Americans bombing us?  That’s fucking retarded logic of the Russian-ownedTrump camp that any intelligent person can see right through.

It's so ironic that you use the words fucking retarded while you were saying that, because the Alberta comp was out-of-this-world stupid.

FYI all that Ukraine had to do was stop moving towards a NATO membership. Kamala Harris just praised the idea days before the war started. It's not a new idea:  https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/22/world/europe/22biden.html

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Biden Says US Still Backs Ukraine in NATO - The New York ...

https://www.nytimes.com › World › Europe

 

 

 

Jul 21, 2009 — KIEV, Ukraine — Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said Tuesday that the United States would continue to support Ukraine's bid to join NATO ...

 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Physician, heal thyself.

Everything that I said was true, and we both know for a fact that if I said something that wasn't you'd cite it directly, and you'd be in your glory.

Instead you're just another leftist making vague, unsubstantiated accusations.

* Yawn 

The comparison to the Cuban Missile Crisis is this: Russia has a legitimate reason for this war. 

It's just a 100% legitimate war by the standards that almost every single American and Canadian agrees on.

Yes, it's war, but it's 100% legitimate, between two willing combatants. 

Anyone who claims that it's a Russian war of aggression is a total hypocrite. 

It's so ironic that you use the words fucking retarded while you were saying that, because the Alberta comp was out-of-this-world stupid.

FYI all that Ukraine had to do was stop moving towards a NATO membership. Kamala Harris just praised the idea days before the war started. It's not a new idea:  https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/22/world/europe/22biden.html

 

OMG you’re getting so pathetically desperate trying to defend your dearest dictator.  You have no idea how absolutely idiotic you sound. 
 

No it’s not a legitimate war by the standards anyone agrees on, that’s why almost the entire world us outraged by Russia’s war of aggression. 
 

Ideas you don’t like aren’t justification for Russias invasion. Comments Biden made 13 ago years while serving under a different president don’t justify Russian  invasion. Heck Ukraine actually even joining NATO -which wasn’t even something that was about to happen- doesn’t justify invasion. 

You know practically nothing  and have zero ability to understand or make sense of the very few things you do know. You’re just another of Putin’s gullible simple-minded suckers 

[WestCanMan]

27 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

OMG you’re getting so pathetically desperate trying to defend your dearest dictator.  You have no idea how absolutely idiotic you sound. 
 

No it’s not a legitimate war by the standards anyone agrees on, that’s why almost the entire world us outraged by Russia’s war of aggression. 
 

Ideas you don’t like aren’t justification for Russias invasion. Comments Biden made 13 ago years while serving under a different president don’t justify Russian  invasion. Heck Ukraine actually even joining NATO -which wasn’t even something that was about to happen- doesn’t justify invasion. 

You know practically nothing  and have zero ability to understand or make sense of the very few things you do know. You’re just another of Putin’s gullible simple-minded suckers 

OMG you’re getting so pathetically desperate trying to defend your dearest retardictator. You have no idea how simple you sound. 

FYI this is a legitimate war by the standards everyone in NA agrees on, but the hypocritical sheeple here have been manipulated into feeling outraged by the war in Ukraine by some skilled handlers in DC. 

Facts which you refuse to acknowledge made Russia's war with Ukraine a necessity, regardless of whether or not NA's sheeple could be fooled into believing otherwise. Comments Biden made 13 ago years ago, which are still echoed by the Biden administration in 2022, prove that Russia was in the exact same situation that Kennedy was in back in 1962, and a line had to be drawn, a stand had to be made.

I get that you're really emotional about all of this, and it's not an easy topic to grasp, but there are valuable lessons to be learned, so keep listening to me and hopefully you'll have a basic understanding of it all by the time you're old enough to ride a bike.

Edited March 19, 2022 by WestCanMan

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

OMG you’re getting so pathetically desperate trying to defend your dearest retardictator. You have no idea how simple you sound. 

FYI this is a legitimate war by the standards everyone in NA agrees on, but the hypocritical sheeple here have been manipulated into feeling outraged by the war in Ukraine by some skilled handlers in DC. 

Facts which you refuse to acknowledge made Russia's war with Ukraine a necessity, regardless of whether or not NA's sheeple could be fooled into believing otherwise. Comments Biden made 13 ago years ago, which are still echoed by the Biden administration in 2022, prove that Russia was in the exact same situation that Kennedy was in back in 1962, and a line had to be drawn, a stand had to be made.

I get that you're really emotional about all of this, and it's not an easy topic to grasp, but there are valuable lessons to be learned, so keep listening to me and hopefully you'll have a basic understanding of it all by the time you're old enough to ride a bike.

So this thing you’re doing where you just copy my posts and then change the words to their opposite meaning…that’s working for you?

Makes sense seeing how you’re so incapable of original thought 

Putim is not in the same position Kennedy was, in you little Kremlin propagandist. Comparing Putin to Kennedy, how hilarious is that!

But you don’t know anything about the world  happened back them  just like you don’t know anything about what’s happening now. I bet you didn’t know that Russia already shares borders with other NATO countries. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

So this thing you’re doing where you just copy my posts and then change the words to their opposite meaning…that’s working for you?

Makes sense seeing how you’re so incapable of original thought 

Putim is not in the same position Kennedy was, in you little Kremlin propagandist. Comparing Putin to Kennedy, how hilarious is that!

But you don’t know anything about the world  happened back them  just like you don’t know anything about what’s happening now. I bet you didn’t know that Russia already shares borders with other NATO countries. 

All of the stupid things that you're still saying here have been talked about in other threads. 

Just other NATO countries? Russia shares a border with a laundry list of countries including China and NoKo. 

I posted about the size, populations and border lengths of Latvia and Estonia with Russia and Belarus vs Ukraine/Rus/Bel in the war thread. 

I know far more about the Cuban Missile Crisis than you'll ever begin to know.

I know what it's like to live in a state of perpetual war readiness, but not as a civilian in a border city with millions of troops on either side.

Your beliefs are just the product of your total inability to think for yourself. You will never have an original thought in your life, all that you're capable of is regurgitating CCCG propaganda. ]

FYI Russians do not want NATO in Ukraine and it will take a much bigger war than this to get them to accept NATO there. 

FYI Prez Z had every chance to avoid this war but he's a puppet of the US and they want this war badly. They're showing pictures of little girls with blood on their faces to turn people like you into drooling pro-war sycophants. You're the Class A useful idiot that will wish and pray for war while having absolutely no idea of the consequences.

[BeaverFever]

9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

All of the stupid things that you're still saying here have been talked about in other threads. 

Just other NATO countries? Russia shares a border with a laundry list of countries including China and NoKo. 

I posted about the size, populations and border lengths of Latvia and Estonia with Russia and Belarus vs Ukraine/Rus/Bel in the war thread. 

I know far more about the Cuban Missile Crisis than you'll ever begin to know.

I know what it's like to live in a state of perpetual war readiness, but not as a civilian in a border city with millions of troops on either side.

Your beliefs are just the product of your total inability to think for yourself. You will never have an original thought in your life, all that you're capable of is regurgitating CCCG propaganda. ]

FYI Russians do not want NATO in Ukraine and it will take a much bigger war than this to get them to accept NATO there. 

FYI Prez Z had every chance to avoid this war but he's a puppet of the US and they want this war badly. They're showing pictures of little girls with blood on their faces to turn people like you into drooling pro-war sycophants. You're the Class A useful idiot that will wish and pray for war while having absolutely no idea of the consequences.

Lies you’re foolishly trying to peddle:

 

1) Prior to Putin’s invasion Russia and NATO were bitter enemies at war with each other:  FALSE 

2) Joining NATO is an act of aggression against Russia that justifies a Russian invasion under international law: FALSE 

3) EVEN THINKING ABOUT joining NATO is an act of aggression that justifies a Russian invasion under international law:  FALSE 

4) If a foreign country makes demands of another sovereign nation under threat of invasion, the country being invaded is responsible for starting the war. FALSE 

5)The 13-day standoff of the Cuban missile crisis where a nobody was invaded or bombed and no actual combat occurred is basically  the same is the Ukraine where there was a massive invasion,  dozens of cities are being starved and/or bombed to rubble, thousands of civilians have been killed and 3 million citizens and counting are refugees:  FALSE 

6) Ukraine and/or NATO ate making bioweapons:  FALSE 

7)Putin gave Zelensky a clear ultimatum prior to the invasion FALSE 

 

EVERYTHING YOU’VE SAID IS 100% RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA.  YOU’VE OUTDONE YOURSELF IN PROVING YOU’RE JUST ANOTHER LONELY INTERNET CRACKPOT FULL OF LIES AND CRAZY IDEAS 

[Infidel Dog]

That's cute. The King of Wrong telling us what's true or false then acting like he's proved something. Thanks for the smile.

Edited March 20, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Lies you’re foolishly trying to peddle:

It's a collection of your own straw man arguments and things that you don't understand.

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1) Prior to Putin’s invasion Russia and NATO were bitter enemies at war with each other:  FALSE

I wouldn't say "bitter enemies" but they absolutely are geopolitical adversaries, 100%.

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2) Joining NATO is an act of aggression against Russia that justifies a Russian invasion under international law: FALSE 

By the exact same measure that the people of North America fully support Kennedy's threat of all-out war with Russia if they didn't pull their missiles out of Russia, the people of North America should fully support Putin's threat of war against Ukraine if they didn't stop courting NATO. 100%.

The fact that Zelenski opted to accept Putin's challenge makes it mutual combat.

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3) EVEN THINKING ABOUT joining NATO is an act of aggression that justifies a Russian invasion under international law:  FALSE 

Thinking about anything is legal, doing illegal things is illegal. Everyone understands that but you.

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4) If a foreign country makes demands of another sovereign nation under threat of invasion, the country being invaded is responsible for starting the war. FALSE 

Your assertion makes sense to a certain point, but bringing the hostile armies of 20 nations to one's doorstep is beyond the pale. It is absolutely, 100% an act of aggression.

If you don't think that's an act of aggression then think about what America would do if we tried to sign a defence pact with China, Russia, Iran and NoKo? Would they give us a warning and then invade us if we didn't relent? 

I guess that you've never heard of the Monroe Doctrine? Why don't you google that, read up on it, and then describe it for me? Define what a "hostile act" is for me if you think you could wrap your head around that one. 

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5)The 13-day standoff of the Cuban missile crisis where a nobody was invaded or bombed and no actual combat occurred is basically  the same is the Ukraine where there was a massive invasion,  dozens of cities are being starved and/or bombed to rubble, thousands of civilians have been killed and 3 million citizens and counting are refugees:  FALSE 

That's not entirely correct:

1) US forces depth-charged a Russian sub that was armed with a nuclear warhead

2) I never said that there was an actual war, so that's a straw man argument

3) Putin gave Zelenski the exact same ultimatum that Kennedy gave Krushchev: Do what I say or there will be a war, guaranteed.

In Cuba, the Russians did the right thing and averted a war with the United States.

In Ukraine, Russians were right to call out the US/Ukraine for the illegal bioweapons, and Putin had just as much right to threaten war as Kennedy did. That is absolutely, positively, 100% true and it's just hypocrisy/stupidity to deny that. In this instance, Zelenski accepted the challenge from Russia and now Russia is doing what they have to do, as is their sovereign right. 

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6) Ukraine and/or NATO ate making bioweapons:  FALSE 

Wrong.

1) I never said that at all. I correctly stated that the weapons are there, and that the US/Ukraine are jointly studying them. The original claim made by the US is that the research was "to develop medicine to counter those biowarfare threats", but ask yourself this: If they're not sharing their cures with the international community, is it a hostile act to create them? You have to do some math on that one, I'm pretty sure that you can't handle it. 

2) That's an oversimplification of the actual events

3) it's a lie for you to make that claim because you have absolutely no way of knowing whether or not the US is making bioweapons there. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but if they were they'd definitely deny it. The best answer that you could come up with is "The US said that they're not manufacturing bioweapons there and the Beave believes everything that the US gov't says all of a sudden". 

What we do know is that in a court of law witnesses lose all credibility when they got caught in a lie and:

1) Russia correctly stated that the US/Ukraine had bioweapons in the Ukrainian labs

2) The US gov't initially lied about whether or not they had bioweapons in the labs

3) A high-ranking US official, Victoria Nuland - the Deputy Secretary of State to Ukraine, said that the US gov't and Ukraine gov't actually are jointly working with bioweapons in the Ukraine labs. She said that while under oath in the Senate. So....

4) The US has lost ALL credibility surrounding the topic of WMDs in this war, just like they did in the Iraq war. Russia is the only country in this war with any credibility at all regarding the topic of bioweapons, period. That's just a fact that we should be ashamed of because theUS is our "most trusted" ally. 

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7)Putin gave Zelensky a clear ultimatum prior to the invasion FALSE 

That's weird, because I knew it before the war happened. How is it that you still don't know that? What's wrong with you Beave? Not up to speed, yet still blabbering at full speed?

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EVERYTHING YOU’VE SAID IS 100% RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA.  YOU’VE OUTDONE YOURSELF IN PROVING YOU’RE JUST ANOTHER LONELY INTERNET CRACKPOT FULL OF LIES AND CRAZY IDEAS 

EVERYTHING I JUST SAID SAID IS 100% VERIFIED FACT. [IS IT SAD THAT RUSSIANS ARE THE ONES TELLING THE TRUTH HERE? YUP.]  I'VE OUTDONE MYSELF IN PROVING ONCE AGAIN THAT YOU’RE JUST ANOTHER "WE THE SHEEPLE" TROLL FULL OF IDIOTIC LIES AND PROPAGANDA.

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[BeaverFever]

5 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

That's cute. The King of Wrong telling us what's true or false then acting like he's proved something. Thanks for the smile.

So nothing to contribute other than insults?  Are you officially coming out as a Putin supporter too?

[BeaverFever]

Omg you have not proved anything and NNE OF YOUR LIES ARE “VERIFIED FACT” AND YOUR IDIOTIC ATTEMPT TO COMPARE CUBA MISSILE CRISIS WITH PUTIN’S INVASION OF UKRAINE IS BEYOND RETARDED

The fact that you say Russia is the one telling the truth here just shows what gullible mush-mindedPutin puppet you’ve become. The MAGA camp has been cozy with Putin and the Russians since day 1 and your pathetic verbatim parroting of Kremlin propaganda here is yet more proof of that.  It’s hardly a coincidence that the people who have been accused of Putin sympathies for years are now publicly defending Putin’s blatantly evil act  

YOU ALSO LIE THAT ZALENSKY ACCEPTED SOME CHALLENGE FROM RUSSIA. PUTIN DENIED HE WAS PLANNING ANY MILITARY ACTION AGAINST UKRAINE  RIGHT UP UNTIL THE INVASION STARTED 

 

if Russias invasion of Ukraine is so legitimate  how come only the the dictatorships off Belarus, North Korea Eritrea and Syria voted in support of it and 141 countries voted that they “deplore in the strongest terms the aggression by the Russian Federation against Ukraine”.  And that “the Russian Federation immediately cease its use of force against Ukraine” and “immediately, completely and unconditionally withdraw all of its military forces”

 

Youre siding with Russia, North Korea and Syria against the West, to support a brutal dictator’s invasion of a sovereign European democracy.  Only  a disgusting fascist fifth columnist would do that. 

[BeaverFever]

On 12/7/2021 at 10:57 PM, WestCanMan said:

In spring, right after President Teluhhhprompter took over, the Russians started flooding troops to their western border with Ukraine. 
 

Biden chose to appease Russia, and put an an end to Trump’s kibosh on the LNG pipeline to Germany.  

Now there are 175,000 Russians at the border with Ukraine and Putin is the one making demands.

Just remember that when Obama was prez, Putin took over Crimea and annexed part of Ukraine. Obama sat on his hands and did squat.

Then when Trump was prez, all that happened was Trump bombed Russia’s ally twice and then killed 200 of their mercs. Putin rattled his sabre the first time Trump bombed Syria, then he stfu the second time, and Russia buried their soldiers without a peep.

The return of weak, stupid Dems has given rise to more Russian aggression.

China could also be on the verge of taking over Taiwan.

Biden’s Afghan debacle is also fresh in the minds of Putin and Xi. 

Dems ?

Wow have things changed in the course of a few months. “Russian aggression” you said back in December. Now you’re claiming it’s Ukraine aggression and Putin was justified. You get new propaganda to repeat and you just turn on a dime eh?