BC Vax Nazis Strike Again

[WestCanMan]

https://www.bclaws.gov.bc.ca/civix/document/id/oic/oic_cur/0627_2021

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PUBLIC SERVICE COVID-19 VACCINATION REGULATION

Definition

1 In this regulation, “COVID-19 Vaccination Policy” means the policy entitled “Human Resources Policy 25 – COVID-19 Vaccination” that was issued under section 5 (4) of the Public Service Act on November 1, 2021.

Term and condition of employment

2 The COVID-19 Vaccination Policy is a term and condition of employment for employees.

Termination deemed to be for just cause

3 If an employee is terminated under the COVID-19 Vaccination Policy, the employee is deemed to have been dismissed for just cause.

 

[myata]

What do you expect, for 160 years the bureaucracy was trained to think that whatever it writes in its books becomes the absolute truth without checks, limits or reasons. And now it finally entered the age of maturity. No checks, constraints or limits. The sky aka total bureaucratic authoritarian paradise is the limit. Please try to prove it wrong.

[-TSS-]

I'll surrender when they make a law here in Finland that take the jab or starve but not before that. 

I don't know about your situation in Canada but here in Finland people who are most ardently pushing the vaccine are the ones who previously haven't had the best interests of the Finnish people as their first priority. 

[myata]

Here's a good parable for health authoritarianism: a sitter is given a baby to wash; parents come back home shown a bathtub of soapy water, no baby. Yes you'll have to take it for as long as necessary.

The country has been shut one way or more, for almost two years non stop (actually one can say safely, over two years as nothing's going to change for the better going into winter). There are countries that have not shut at all in the same meaning, or those that did it once in the very early phase and for a short period. This is total bureaucratic nonsense of course. The job description was to manage the disease, not the society. But bureaucracy is an organism too that is developing in its environment, and if it can get away with it, why not? And that may just become the default way and practice in management of the public matters; and why wouldn't it, is there one reason why not?

[myata]

Q-vaccines were certainly helpful in many cases and probably saved many lives. It does not mean that they are a universal panacea. It is incorrect and wrong to present and paint them as a universal panacea, especially before understanding possible long term effects. And for this reason health authoritarianism is very wrong in trying to use them as a sledgehammer concrete paving of the society, as opposed to intelligently, selectively, and in most circumstances, voluntarily.

No matter what the authorities do though, as citizens we always have the option, choice and the right to withdraw voluntary participation. No, it isn't easy, mouths to feed and mortgages to pay, sure. But that does negate or diminish the right and the choice. The choices that citizens make define and create the society; they could not be delegated to governments or any other authority or token.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Q-vaccines were certainly helpful in many cases and probably saved many lives. It does not mean that they are a universal panacea. It is incorrect and wrong to present and paint them as a universal panacea, especially before understanding possible long term effects. And for this reason health authoritarianism is very wrong in trying to use them as a sledgehammer concrete paving of the society, as opposed to intelligently, selectively, and in most circumstances, voluntarily.

No matter what the authorities do though, as citizens we always have the option, choice and the right to withdraw voluntary participation. No, it isn't easy, mouths to feed and mortgages to pay, sure. But that does negate or diminish the right and the choice. The choices that citizens make define and create the society; they could not be delegated to governments or any other authority or token.

Nobody has the right to endanger the health and lives of other people around them, which is clearly what happens when unvaccinated people work with vaccinated people.

[myata]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Nobody has the right to endanger the health and lives of other people around them, which is clearly what happens when unvaccinated people work with vaccinated people.

This is the real danger of health authoritarianism, thanks for highlighting. It takes a remotely plausible general statement and uses it as a justification for unchecked and uncontrolled restriction of rights and dictate. World knows very well any number of examples and where and how far this path can lead. Now no pretending ignorant innocence.

[Infidel Dog]

If the Vax-Nazis were actually worried about health they'd be giving a pass to the natural immune for their segregation policies.

It's not about health. It's about control.

[myata]

Every time you get behind the wheel you are a higher risk of injuring someone, including Heavens forbid, fatally. There's no denying that. So is it a valid reason to stop people from driving? To make walking to work a condition of employment and reason for termination and denying benefits?

This is the level of reason and evidence health authoritarians use. Congrats - you have arrived.

[Cannucklehead]

8 minutes ago, myata said:

Every time you get behind the wheel you are a higher risk of injuring someone, including Heavens forbid, fatally. There's no denying that. So is it a valid reason to stop people from driving? To make walking to work a condition of employment and reason for termination and denying benefits?

This is the level of reason and evidence health authoritarians use. Congrats - you have arrived.

Can you drive without a license?  Sure.  Should you?  

[Infidel Dog]

Just now, Cannucklehead said:

Can you drive without a license?  Sure.  Should you?  

Oh, you're going to save the world with authoritarian covid controls, are you.

Very well Saint Canucklehead, explain this one to me:

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Dr. Atlas unloaded on Dr. Tony Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx for their failed pandemic strategy that caused more Americans to die and ruined millions of American lives.

Dr. Scott Atlas: The data is the data and the data is being denied by the lockdowners. The data shows the following, the Bjornscoff(?) studies of 24 European countries, the lockdowns did not reduce the deaths during the pandemic. That was a spring 2021 study. A January 2021 study from Stanford’s Ben David and colleagues, lockdowns failed to stop the spread of the infection. In fact, one of the authors said it was pro-contagion, increasing infections. And the most important study was the National Bureau of Economic Research by Rand, in June this year. Everybody should look at it because they showed analysis of 43 countries and all the states that lockdowns increased the excess deaths during the pandemic. Earlier lockdowns increased the deaths during the pandemic. And when the lockdown was instilled, deaths were coming down and deaths started increasing when lockdowns were implemented. So the Birx-Fauci lockdowns that was the advice of the task force the entire year failed to stop the spread of the infection. They failed to stop the dying and they destroyed millions and millions of people, particularly low income families.

 

[Cannucklehead]

5 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Oh, you're going to save the world with authoritarian covid controls, are you.

Very well Saint Canucklehead, explain this one to me:

 

What good is a lockdown when people do not do it?  Didn't they storm the Capitol in Michigan as a form of protest?

[Infidel Dog]

That's all you got? A stolen and reworked Simpsom's meme?

Here's what I got. Aren't you the one who thinks BC stats prove everything?

OK this stat covers a much longer period than your usual two week standard but did you know BC has the second lowest covid deaths per population in the world? That's according to the CBC - your sacred text.

I would guess that's lower than the flu for all age demographics under 60. 

So now tell me how many lives you're going to save with your right to free passage papers, mask mandates and partial lockdowns. 

Another interesting thing about BC stats according to the CBC is this one:

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A report published last week by the Royal Society of Canada compared the number of official COVID-19 deaths in each province between Feb. 1 and Nov. 28, 2020, with excess deaths — essentially the difference between the total number of deaths and the number that was expected based on past years.

The study, which adjusted for overdose fatalities, found B.C. had 1,767 more deaths that were unaccounted for in that time. 

 

Edited November 21, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

In case you missed that last part, what they appear to be saying is suicides and drug overdoses during BC's lockdowns appear to have been more deadly than the actual virus.

Get on your moral high horse and get outta town, Bud. You're saving nobody with your bogus "Vaccine" licenses.

Edited November 22, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Cannucklehead]

So you'd rather everyone go about as normal and cause even more deaths?  Its a fact that you can't get covid if you stay home, but thats just too difficult for some people.  

[Infidel Dog]

I'm fine with anybody who wants the jab getting it. 

Me personally, I'd like better access to therapeutics and more reliable information on safeguards (prophylactics).

I'm against mandates, passes, ineffective covid or climate controls or any authoritarian slippery slope to totalitarianism. Venezuela is just a couple more controls away.

 

Edited November 22, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[myata]

15 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

Can you drive without a license?

No, they just sincerely wouldn't understand the difference between voluntary, controlled, and prohibition with loss of employment and benefits. Yes responsibility can be controlled on the individual level, and that does not mean blanket authoritarian restrictions on everybody. Obvious? Apparently, not to all of us. 

And at that level of reason and intelligence trying to come up with policies to manage the society. How is it different from some khan or emir sending another enlightened edict, that in his view, never allowed to be questioned or contested, always serves the public by default and definition. Such an old and boring story. Congrats, we did it again.

Edited November 22, 2021 by myata