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3 hours ago, myata said:

But of course who else, after raking hundreds of thousands in compensations and millions in golden parachutes. They are just regular "employees" and the responsibility must be somewhere else. Where, a good question in an autopilot democracy.

 

You constantly bitch about others but take no responsibility for your own actions.

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However, I have been checking out the BC government's stats pages. My impression is BC is pretty tricky.

They separate jabbed from unjabbed but they don't give you stats for the single jab and unknown like other provinces do. Actually, I'm thinking they do but they just pile them all into the unjabbed category on their dashboard charts. I don't trust BC stats. 

Doesn't really matter though. BC is just a small drop in the global bucket. And stats in the rest of the world rarely if ever line up with BC's. Ever notice how nobody else wants to point out BC's as a reference? Not even Ontario and God knows how desperate they are to justify their authoritarian ways.

I'm thinking one reason for that is even if you use BC's questionable stats it doesn't take too much digging to see cases hospitalizations and deaths have been decreasing since May. The exception to that might be the reserves of the Northern region. 

I'd really like to see the stats for adverse reactions in BC. I doubt those are available though. BC statisticians seem pretty careful about what they release and how they present it. 

Don't forget the guys running BC right now are socialists. 

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5 hours ago, Aristides said:

Stupid people tend to cause a lot of trouble for smarter people. You haven't noticed, or should I not be surprised?

I am not sure what stupid people have to do with hospital management? Patients are not and should not be held responsible for allocation of hospital resources. Smart people are hired and paid for those roles. Thus when the system fails, the people responsible are those in hospital resource management roles. 

Why would hospital resource allocation responsibility shift onto patients ever? 

 

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3 hours ago, Aristides said:

 

You didn't look very hard.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/covid-19-update-nov-11-1.6247781

 

This one is from the 12th with numbers up to the 10th

No. I saw most of that. I just couldn't believe that was what you were hoping to pass off to support this nonsense you appeared to be trying to sell us that 20 to 1 was the ratio of unvaccinated to vaccinated, hospitalized and was a universal stat for all time. Or even meant much in BC for that matter. Or come to think of it...was even correct.

I see now why you had to be cajoled into offering a link. I wouldn't want to call that any kind of proof of anything either.

First and most importantly there's this:

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Data comprises cases from Nov. 4 - Nov. 10 and hospitalizations from Oct. 28- Nov. 10

Then there's this idea you have that the partially vaccinated stat needs to vanish. If you add partial and full to vaccinated the ratio becomes more like 2.5 to 1, unvaccinated to vaccinated who were hospitalized in your chosen 2 week period.

So in a province of a country that's about one 2 thousandth of the world's population, for 2 weeks you had a stat that shows us that possibly about twice as many people who had never been vaccinated were hospitalized as those who were vaccinated.

And you forgot to mention that most of those hospitalizations for your cherry picked 2 weeks were coming out of reserves in the North. In all other regions of the province covid cases are dropping and never did match the peaks of previous waves. 

And this is supposed to prove what, exactly?

That we need to segregate society into the compliant and the non-compliant. Special rights for those willing to take the knee and offer up their arms to an experimental and possibly toxic, possible vaccine (depending on your definition of vaccine). Nice try.

 

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Another possibility would be to use intelligence and knowledge for effective, as much as possible, control of the infection while the society enjoys normal life. Epidemics management, not people/social management and how did we manage to confuse the two in such a short time wait wasn't it like always with thoughtless shopping and partying while the exspert somewhere far far away surely knows better?

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8 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

No. I saw most of that. I just couldn't believe that was what you were hoping to pass off to support this nonsense you appeared to be trying to sell us that 20 to 1 was the ratio of unvaccinated to vaccinated, hospitalized and was a universal stat for all time. Or even meant much in BC for that matter. Or come to think of it...was even correct.

I see now why you had to be cajoled into offering a link. I wouldn't want to call that any kind of proof of anything either.

First and most importantly there's this:

Then there's this idea you have that the partially vaccinated stat needs to vanish. If you add partial and full to vaccinated the ratio becomes more like 2.5 to 1, unvaccinated to vaccinated who were hospitalized in your chosen 2 week period.

So in a province of a country that's about one 2 thousandth of the world's population, for 2 weeks you had a stat that shows us that possibly about twice as many people who had never been vaccinated were hospitalized as those who were vaccinated.

And you forgot to mention that most of those hospitalizations for your cherry picked 2 weeks were coming out of reserves in the North. In all other regions of the province covid cases are dropping and never did match the peaks of previous waves. 

And this is supposed to prove what, exactly?

That we need to segregate society into the compliant and the non-compliant. Special rights for those willing to take the knee and offer up their arms to an experimental and possibly toxic, possible vaccine (depending on your definition of vaccine). Nice try.

 

Your ignorance of basic math is stunning. All those not fully vaxed cases are  coming from 15% of the population that is why the numbers are given as hospitalizations per 100K population. 31.95 per 100k for unvaxxed and partially vaxxed. 1.3 per 100k for fully vaxxed. That's 24.5 to one for un and partially vaxxed. 18.23 to one for unvaxxed.

You asked what the numbers were lately and I gave you the average for the two weeks up to the 10th of this month. This is like debating a stick.

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17 minutes ago, Aristides said:

This is like debating a stick.

You must be careful to avoid personal attacks against sticks. You demonstrate more patience than I, in dealing with posters who are just winding you up.

If I was in the water in the mid-pacific, surrounded by man- eating sharks and a boat came by and tossed me a rope, I wouldn't be questioning if I was going to get a rope burn or some ill effects 20 years from now. I would grab the rope and save my life. 

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36 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Your ignorance of basic math is stunning. All those not fully vaxed cases are  coming from 15% of the population that is why the numbers are given as hospitalizations per 100K population. 31.95 per 100k for unvaxxed and partially vaxxed. 1.3 per 100k for fully vaxxed. That's 24.5 to one for un and partially vaxxed. 18.23 to one for unvaxxed.

You asked what the numbers were lately and I gave you the average for the two weeks up to the 10th of this month. This is like debating a stick.

A stick that keeps beating you maybe.

My math is just fine. It's your reading skills that need some work.

I was looking at this from your link:

Hospitalizations Per 100K/week

Unvaccinated

20.4

Partially vaccinated

7.2

Fully vaccinated

1.2

Data comprises cases from Nov. 5 - Nov. 11 and hospitalizations from Oct. 29- Nov. 11

I can't even find the numbers you're claiming now on the page you linked to. Give me a quote so I can page search. In any case it looks like you forgot to add the single jabbed stat again.

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Oh and Aristides I don't know how many times I'll have to keep explaining the obvious to you and yours but 2 weeks of data from a tiny segment of the world's population in no way indicates a global, ever present scientific truth. 

Thinking it does is so false it borders on nuts. Repeatedly claiming the lie after repeatedly being shown exactly why it's a fallacy just might be...nuts, I mean.

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4 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

2 weeks of data from a tiny segment of the world's population in no way indicates a global, ever present scientific truth. 

How about an informal glance at the 100's of millions of fully vaccinated people compared to unvaccinated people and look at the icu admission rates for each group. If you get vaccinated, you are a lot less likely to go into icu for covid and you are even far less likely to die from it. Why wouldn't you get vaccinated? I hear people whining they don't like government telling them what to do. Well, that is their job. We hire them to tell us what to do. In the words of the eloquent Infidel Dog, "To which I say - "Tough."' 😀

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1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said:

How about an informal glance at the 100's of millions of fully vaccinated people compared to unvaccinated people and look at the icu admission rates for each group. If you get vaccinated, you are a lot less likely to go into icu for covid and you are even far less likely to die from it. Why wouldn't you get vaccinated?

First of all if your shot is so effective at stopping the disease, why hasn't it?

There are many reasons for not complying to the edict or mandate or whatever we're calling it. The best would come from the hundreds of millions who are naturally immune. Why would they submit to an experimental and possibly (for them) toxic shot when they already have superior immunity to anything the shot can provide?

I personally won't take the second shot because I had a bad reaction to both the flu shot and the first covid jab so I'll take my chances rather than risk heart or neurological disorders from what they're calling 'the vaccine'.

I don't want to be another "sudden death" entry in Google.

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http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-10-01-Data_Summary.pdf

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-10-07_Data_Summary.pdf

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-10-14-Data-Summary.pdf

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-10-21-Data-Summary.pdf

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-11-04-Data-Summary.pdf

Comparing data: 

                       Fully vaccinated hospitalizations               Unvaccinated hospitalizations   

Oct 01 2020                     14%                                                                  61%

Oct 07 2020                     16%                                                                  57%

Oct 14 2020                     19%                                                                  59%

Oct 21 2020                     20%                                                                  56%

Nov 04 2020                    22%                                                                  49%

There seems to be a trend of increased hospitalizations over time from fully vaccinated individuals. There seems to be a trend of slight decreased hospitalizations over time from unvaccinated. Why is this the case?  

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As the q-vaccinated group increases, it can be expected to record more infections with a higher fraction in the total count of cases. For example, with a constant number of cases and q-vaccination rate of 99 vs. 80% clearly more vaccinated cases would be reported.  I wouldn't comment on specific numbers as not sure how accurate they are given that health authorities on a number of recorded occasions were quite creative with definitions and interpretations to achieve the expected outcome. The numbers you cite look strange as well, assuming that the third group is partially or unknown, it contributes almost 30% of cases being the smallest of all.

Vaccination in Canada requires a health card, and those entering the country must report it in the immigration app. There's simply no room for "unknown" and how do they manage it like in the old joke? Or maybe another case of the push to reduce vaccinated cases as much as possible?

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2 hours ago, Winston said:

 

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-10-01-Data_Summary.pdf

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-10-07_Data_Summary.pdf

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-10-14-Data-Summary.pdf

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-10-21-Data-Summary.pdf

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-11-04-Data-Summary.pdf

Comparing data: 

                       Fully vaccinated hospitalizations               Unvaccinated hospitalizations   

Oct 01 2020                     14%                                                                  61%

Oct 07 2020                     16%                                                                  57%

Oct 14 2020                     19%                                                                  59%

Oct 21 2020                     20%                                                                  56%

Nov 04 2020                    22%                                                                  49%

There seems to be a trend of increased hospitalizations over time from fully vaccinated individuals. There seems to be a trend of slight decreased hospitalizations over time from unvaccinated. Why is this the case?  

Aristides tells us he's a math man.

Maybe he can explain how he makes those figures 20 to 1 unvaccinated to vaccinated.

And that's without even adding the missing single jab figure to what they call the "vaccinated."

And I'm back Queeny. I'll look for your natural immunity info now.

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Still looking. Actually the CDC thing I mentioned was a claim natural immunity was inferior to the jab.

The reason it stuck in my head was there was a lot skepticism to that CDC report. There were medical people who were almost calling fraud.

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Excellent analysis of the highly flawed CDC study on natural immunity that flies in the face of science. It also contradicts 16 other studies.
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Martin Kulldorff
 
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The Israeli and CDC studies on #COVID #immunity cannot both be correct. Here I carefully dissect them, describe how their statistical analyses differ, and explain why the Israeli study is more reliable. https://brownstone.org/articles/a-review-and-autopsy-of-two-covid-immunity-studies/

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/11/02/top-doctor-says-new-cdc-study-on-natural-immunity-is-highly-flawed-n2598429

Stay frosty. I'm still looking. This is interesting.

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Ok, here ya go Queenmandy. Brownstone Institute links to 30 studies on Natural Immunity vs the jab.

https://brownstone.org/articles/natural-immunity-and-covid-19-twenty-nine-scientific-studies-to-share-with-employers-health-officials-and-politicians/

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These studies demonstrate what was and is already known: natural immunity for a SARS-type virus is robust, long-lasting, and broadly effective even in the case of mutations, generally more so than vaccines. In fact, a major contribution of 20th-century science has been to expand upon and further elucidate this principle that has been known since the ancient world. Every expert presumably knew this long before the current debates. The effort to pretend otherwise is a scientific scandal of the highest order, especially because the continued neglect of the topic is affecting the rights and freedoms of billions of people. 

 

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Oh and as I was looking for that I stumbled on a CBC article I'd forgotten about.

It might be interesting to these compliant soldiers of the great reset who keep telling me only the first 2 weeks of a Delta variant wave in Ontario or Alberta or BC matter, and such 2 week examples tell us everything we could ever want to know about anything that could possibly happen anywhere in the world in spite of the hundreds of contradictions to that claim in such global regions.

Apparently there was even an example in Canada, believe it or not.

One in five N.B. COVID-19 deaths were people who were fully vaccinated Social Sharing

 

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1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

Aristides tells us he's a math man.

Maybe he can explain how he makes those figures 20 to 1 unvaccinated to vaccinated.

And that's without even adding the missing single jab figure to what they call the "vaccinated."

And I'm back Queeny. I'll look for your natural immunity info now.

Hospitalizations per 100K people

Unvaccinated 23.7 per 100k people

Fully vaccinated 1.3 per 100k people

23.7 divided by 1.3 = 18.23 to one.

That isn't even math, it's simple arithmetic.

3 hours ago, Winston said:

 

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-10-01-Data_Summary.pdf

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-10-07_Data_Summary.pdf

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-10-14-Data-Summary.pdf

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-10-21-Data-Summary.pdf

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-11-04-Data-Summary.pdf

Comparing data: 

                       Fully vaccinated hospitalizations               Unvaccinated hospitalizations   

Oct 01 2020                     14%                                                                  61%

Oct 07 2020                     16%                                                                  57%

Oct 14 2020                     19%                                                                  59%

Oct 21 2020                     20%                                                                  56%

Nov 04 2020                    22%                                                                  49%

There seems to be a trend of increased hospitalizations over time from fully vaccinated individuals. There seems to be a trend of slight decreased hospitalizations over time from unvaccinated. Why is this the case?  

Not really. Vaccinated cases are coming from a continually increasing percentage of the population. Unvaccinated cases are coming from a continually decreasing percentage of the population.

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