Ontario needs to invest in EVs as a realistic Option.

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1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Let me sum up this entire thread for you

It's great that you like Ev's. For a handful of people it's an option that makes a lot of sense and that they will prefer. And they should absolutely have access to those options as consumers.

But for the vast majority of people EVS are a poor option or no option. The technology just isn't there.

Amusingly some of the Chinese hybrids look like they would give us about 90% 95% of what EVs do in the way of pollution reduction and would be adaptable in a much wider scale. But Evie's just aren't a practical solution for the vast majority of Canadians at this time given the current technology. But I'm glad you enjoy yours and absolutely support your right to buy a vehicle that's right for you

I'm open to hybrids. My other car is a hybrid and is very good. 

But the current PHEV selection is very poor. Most are just normal ICE vehicles with a battery for weight and don't provide much in the way of the Electric only range. 

It is an emerging technology which is why I'll lease this one, as to not lock myself into a car that may be quite out-of-date by the end of the decade. 

[herbie]

The 50km range of current PHEVs is adequate. You worry about range, you're not using it for work and errands.
And BEVs are hitting 500km ranges these days.

And look at the price of ICE vehicles - they didn't reduce EV prices, they raised ICE prices a lot. Telsas the only EV volume builder and they took the moves by others to hike prices several times now.
Another govt plan that turned into a corporate gougefest.

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14 hours ago, herbie said:

And look at the price of ICE vehicles - they didn't reduce EV prices, they raised ICE prices a lot. Telsas the only EV volume builder and they took the moves by others to hike prices several times now.
Another govt plan that turned into a corporate gougefest.

The thing about PHEVs are that they usually aren't much cheaper than full EVs.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Boges said:

The thing about PHEVs are that they usually aren't much cheaper than full EVs.

The price isn't the biggest problem. Charging is the biggest problem

People living in apartment buildings don't have access to charging that is anywhere near as practical or as easy as just filling up a gas tank. Even if you live at home and are willing to pay for the upgrade it's far less convenient.

If you're going on a road trip having to stop for extended periods of time while the battery charges is extremely undesirable, especially considering the fact that it might be that when you get there to the next charging station it's damaged or out of service.

This is before we get into any of the maintenance or insurance issues or the fire risk

At least with a plug-in hybrid if for some reason you haven't got time to charge it there's no problem with stopping and topping up the tank and keep going. 

And for the vast majority of people they are still going to deliver more than 90% of the savings on fuel. Most people don't travel more than 50 km in a day

 

[herbie]

6 hours ago, Boges said:

The thing about PHEVs are that they usually aren't much cheaper than full EVs.

Problem with all hybrids is two motors instead of one. The battery continues to be the most expensive part and the size of it in a PHEV is the only saving.