Yzermandius19 Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: What are you basing these statements on? Please elaborate. https://news.mongabay.com/2018/08/earth-has-more-trees-now-than-35-years-ago/ the earth has more trees now because fossil fuels are more efficient than burning wood this has saved a lot of trees over the centuries and resulted in less polluted cities with more greenery I know you were told that fossil fuels are bad for the environment but that is totally ahistorical wood used to be the main fuel source which is bad for trees and bad for air quality where they are burning wood en masse coal put the first big dent into reducing deforestation, followed by oil not only is oil good for saving trees, but it increases the production of arable land increasing the earth's carry capacity, far beyond a mere 2 billion if the earth could only sustain 1.8 billion people then the population would only be 1.8 billion the earth's carry capacity hasn't been that low for almost 100 years that stat is false on the face of it Edited June 14, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: https://news.mongabay.com/2018/08/earth-has-more-trees-now-than-35-years-ago/ if the earth could only sustain 1.8 billion people, then the population would only be 1.8 billion the earth's carry capacity hasn't been that low for almost 100 years that stat is false on the face of it They said the earth can only sustain 1.5 billion people over the long term. For example, we have finite petroleum reserves. Petroleum is no longer being created. The same goes for coal. When they are used up, that's it. No more steel or electricity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: They said the earth can only sustain 1.5 billion people over the long term. For example, we have finite petroleum reserves. Petroleum is no longer being created. The same goes for coal. When they are used up, that's it. No more steel or electricity. they don't know how much oil or coal we have they keep finding more constantly and all the claims that we will run out of these fuel sources in the near future keep getting proved wrong time and time again but you keep falling for the ever moving goalposts not only that but as technology increases you can use less oil and coal and get more energy produced leading to less waste of those resources their calculations do not factor these things in they just assume that no more resources will ever be found and the technology that exploits them will never improve population increases relative to the current rate of resource consumption are the only factors they account for just like Malthus did which was why he was wrong and why Quarks and Quirks are also wrong they miss the forest for the trees Edited June 14, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: deforestation is not a problem except in specific areas in general more trees are growing than are being cut down the more Co2, the more trees Between 2002 and 2020 the Earth lost 16% of its tree cover and over 6% of its forested area. Tropical forests account for only 7% of dry land but hold about 50% of all the species on earth. NASA Edited June 14, 2021 by Aristides 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: Between 2002 and 2020 the Earth lost 16% of its tree cover and over 6% of its forested area. tree cover loss on the tropics was outweighed by tree cover gain in subtropical, temperate, boreal, and polar regions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 19 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Malthus did which was why he was wrong Malthus was not wrong. His hypothesis was correct. The migration to the New World delayed things but the end result will be the same. Coal and oil were formed over 250 million years ago. No fossil fuels were formed after the end of the Cenozoic age. They will run out. 20 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: all the claims that we will run out of these fuel sources in the near future keep getting proved wrong time and time again How has that been proved wrong? We have only been using petroleum for about a century and a half. It will run out and what will people do then? You seem to be glossing over global warming. 25 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: why quarks and quirks are wrong Did you listen to the episode? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: Malthus was not wrong. His hypothesis was correct. The migration to the New World delayed things but the end result will be the same. Coal and oil were formed over 250 million years ago. No fossil fuels were formed after the end of the Cenozoic age. They will run out. How has that been proved wrong? We have only been using petroleum for about a century and a half. It will run out and what will people do then? You seem to be glossing over global warming. Did you listen to the episode? you don't have a clue when they will run out and those claiming they do and that it's right around the corner are full of shit and have been proven to be full of shit time and time again assuming it will run out after only using it for such a short period despite constantly discovering massive amounts of it and technology to exploit those resources constantly improving is flat out retarded Malthus was wrong, he didn't foresee the industrial revolution he completely missed how human innovation completely changes the equation and how higher population levels which drove that innovation was a boon not a doom which results in mass starvation he made this mistake because he assumed the world is a zero-sum game where the only way to win is for someone else to lose by an equal amount with no win-win scenarios where wealth is actually created and all sides benefit he basically predicted the world was doomed right before it went through the biggest boom it had ever experienced it's hard to get more wrong than that but then again, Quarks and Quirks said the earth can only sustain a 1.8 billion population so hold their beer, Malthus Edited June 14, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 So you are claiming oil and coal will last forever? What about global warming? The Roman civilization in the west collapsed due to climate change. It took less than a century to destroy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: So you are claiming oil and coal will last forever? What about global warming? The Roman civilization in the west collapsed due to climate change. It took less than a century to destroy it. Rome collapsed for many reasons, climate change was a small part of it and not the predominant reason at all Rome benefitted greatly because of climate change too when the earth got warmer, that wasn't a bad thing, it's when it got colder that Rome suffered but that part never gets mentioned by the climate doom cult crowd who claim that global warming will doom us all despite global warming coinciding with human prosperity every other time it occurred during recorded history oil and coal will not last forever but they aren't going to vanish tomorrow either people have been crying "peak oil!" for decades and haven't even been close to right climate change is driven mostly by the sun, not humans human impact on climate change, has been vastly overstated and claims of a climate apocalypse are totally ridiculous even more ridiculous is blaming that apocalypse on humans thriving economically many in the climate doom cult are really just anti-human and anti-capitalist using the environment as cover for their vile ideologies either consciously or subconsciously they undercut many of the things that most benefit the environment while looking down on those who oppose those counter-productive measures and demonizing them as not caring about the environment like the hypocritical religious fanatics they are control of the economy and human behavior is actually more important to them than the environment they claim to champion the environment is simply the rubric they use to seize that control but they still act like sanctimonious prigs with an unearned sense of moral superiority regardless Edited June 14, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Aristides said: I'm talking about renewable resources, the ones that give us our breathable air and water suitable for drinking and agriculture. We are using them much faster than the earth is replacing them and as we do things like deforesting and destroying our carbon sinks, increasing CO2 levels and acidification of oceans we are further reducing the earth'a ability or reproduce them More logging, more trees in BC than ever . . . . a renewable resource. Big employer. Put's beefsteak on the tables of many folks. Spin-off industries of logging doing very well. Put's sausage on their tables. We have coal and oil . . . . use them. Why are they usable and available? Use them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: oil and coal will not last forever but they aren't going to vanish tomorrow either people have been crying "peak oil!" for decades and haven't even been close to right They prediction was 250 years in 1972. Given the new finds with counter balancing increased consumption, are you maintaining we will have economically accessible oil beyond 500 years? 13 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: climate change is driven mostly by the sun, not humans human impact on climate change, has been vastly overstated and claims of a climate apocalypse are totally ridiculous You can prove it yourself in any undergraduate lab. If you measure the energy input and compare it with the re-radiation, the level of greenhouse gases have a measurable effect. It is predictable and repeatable. We have measured the level GHG's in the atmosphere and the rise in levels reflect the change in energy re-radiation. It is grade ten science. This is not new. I robbed myself of an education by doing my degree in military history rather than real science. As a result, I listen to people who are smarter than me. That covers a wide range. When Stephen Hawking tells us global warming is coming and it is dangerous, I will take his word over some stranger on the internet of unknown academia qualifications. The funny thing is, when I refer to someone who is highly educated with credibility, people say he's a liberal or a socialist. That scares me because what they are saying is the smart people are liberals and socialists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Nefarious Banana said: More logging, more trees in BC than ever . . . . a renewable resource. Big employer. Put's beefsteak on the tables of many folks. Spin-off industries of logging doing very well. Put's sausage on their tables. We have coal and oil . . . . use them. Why are they usable and available? Use them! What about future generations who will need them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: tree cover loss on the tropics was outweighed by tree cover gain in subtropical, temperate, boreal, and polar regions All trees and all forests are not equal. In Canada and other northern climes, deciduous trees are dormant in the winter and take no part in the carbon cycle, Coniferous tree growth rates slow dramatically so their contribution is limited. Same goes for the southern hemisphere. What about the 50% of the earths species which live in tropical forests, among other things a source of much of the medications used by modern medicine. It isn't a game of numbers, it's biology. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 What is most comforting to me is the knowledge that no matter how articulate I am,...or not...my post will change nobody's mind and nobody will care. Nothing will change in the world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 20 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: What is most comforting to me is the knowledge that no matter how articulate I am,...or not...my post will change nobody's mind and nobody will care. Nothing will change in the world. Your best post yet! Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 On 6/12/2021 at 9:08 AM, Argus said: Canada will not permit any new mines in order to help combat climate change. I'm quite sure all the lefties and progressives will cheer this and not have a single thought about the cost in jobs and wealth production. Even though this will not to a single thing to combat climate change. Yes, I am happy this is happening (if it is really happening). And yes, it will "to" a lot! I want to see a moratorium on all old growth cutting in BC , Alberta and the rest of Canada !!! we have lost most of our valuable forests already. They regulate climate and river flows as well as hold off erosion. It is a SHAME people have to chain themselves to logs and get arrested to protect the last remaining large trees! Shame on Canada and shame on you, who thinks coal extraction and exports are fine just so jobs in this sector are protected. You basically advocate for population expansion and further loss of wilderness - the land that keeps us alive! when is it you will see a bit further than the tip of your nose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) On 6/12/2021 at 2:03 PM, Yzermandius19 said: expecting Canada to lead the world is going to end in disappointment nobody cares about what Canada does I do not give a rat's ass what others will think of what we do, as long as it is the right thing to do. Do you think I care what the idiots think when they see me litter picking along the highway or cleaning up rest areas after them on my days off, when I am out to enjoy nature????? I DO NOT. I do think those who threw the garbage for me to pick up are nothing more than turds in human shape. Some like to use the word "animal". Totally wrong and unacceptable. Animals are smart enough not to fuck up their environment and that of others. What we do in this country should be done, because this is the right thing to do and because we have control over it. If others take over after us, lets hope so, it shouldn't matter. Sick and tired of listening to morons telling me we can do nothing in this country because we are only 30 million and produce just a bit of the global emissions. Edited June 15, 2021 by cougar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 22 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: we don't have too many people the current resources more than support current population levels and then some and the population isn't going to grow much before leveling off and shrinking there is no shortage of arable land to feed the population there are more trees than ever in the last several hundred years de-forestation is only happening in specific areas, not in general, in general the trend is the opposite Where exactly do you live? What age are you? I am under the impression I will be chatting with a 14 year old living on the 16th floor of some high rise in Mississauga who has seen nothing different in his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, cougar said: Animals are smart enough not to fuck up their environment and that of others. they do that all the time what are you talking about? human hater Edited June 15, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, cougar said: Where exactly do you live? What age are you? I am under the impression I will be chatting with a 14 year old living on the 16th floor of some high rise in Mississauga who has seen nothing different in his life. projection is a helluva drug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: they do that all the time what are you talking about? Do you see that? And see it from space?? Why are you even trying to raise a point? Edited June 15, 2021 by cougar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 minute ago, cougar said: Do you see that? And see it from space?? Why are you even try to raise a point? someone has to post something relevant unlike the nonsense you spew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: someone has to post something relevant unlike the nonsense you spew I remember a lady from 10 years ago. She was as arrogant as you are. She said "the truth will come out in court". She didn't believe the truth will come out but it did. There went her job and $200K/year income , basically stolen from poor children and families. I did that to her. I can do that to anyone who cheats and lies shamelessly. Edited June 15, 2021 by cougar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, cougar said: I remember a lady from 10 years ago. She was as arrogant as you are. She said "the truth will come out in court". She didn't believe the truth will come out but it did. There went her job and $200K/year income , basically stolen from poor children and families. I did that to her. I can do that to anyone who cheats and lies shamelessly. your threats don't scare me and they open you up to being sued speaking of arrogant Edited June 15, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: your threats don't scare me and they open you up to being sued Go ahead ! Let me add more material to make your suit easier 1 - ALL statement you have made so far in this thread are moronic 2. - Your user name is moronic 3. Your avatar is moronic Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....must be a duck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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