The Lawsuits

[sharkman]

3 minutes ago, dialamah said:

So does that mean if SCOTUS held up Biden's win, you'd accept it and stop claiming there was fraud?

I would accept it and keep my fraud claims to myself, and they say possession is nine tenths of the law.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, sharkman said:

I find it hard to believe that you believe what you claim, because it's just so of the wall.  Are you really that obtuse?  It simply can't be.  However, since you repeatedly do nothing but yank on people's chains, then henceforth you shall be called yankee.

Yeah, no actual rebuttal though.  Just some silliness.

Not unexpected, given your other posts.

[Infidel Dog]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I have you quoted as saying you don't believe in democracy. 

Not unless you alter the quote. What I remember saying is America isn't a democracy. It's a republic. If you have something saying I preferred a Dictator to a President elected by the laws of the Republic produce it. If you can't produce it then what you're saying is a lie. No collection of mealy-mouthed, weasel word, back-tracking makes it anything else. Produce the quote or admit you lied.

[sharkman]

Whatever you say, yankee!

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Yeah, no actual rebuttal though.  Just some silliness.

Not unexpected, given your other posts.

 

 

Edited November 22, 2020 by sharkman
for clarity

[Infidel Dog]

Gee, I hope you're not talking to this proud Canadian.

[Guest]

Just now, Infidel Dog said:

Not unless you alter the quote. What I remember saying is America isn't a democracy. It's a republic. If you have something saying I preferred a Dictator to a President elected by the laws of the Republic produce it. If you can't produce it then what you're saying is a lie. No collection of mealy-mouthed, weasel word, back-tracking makes it anything else. Produce the quote or admit you lied.

No, what you said was you didn't believe in democracy.  Gang rapists and all that.

Given that, who do you think should be President come January 20, 2021?

Hint:  It's probably not the person who was democratically elected.

A Dictator would be someone who assumes power against the will of the people after that will was decided by a democratic election.

You can prove me a liar right now by saying what you actually meant had nothing to do with Donald Trump, and you don't want him to remain POTUS after all.

Actually, it would just make me mistaken, not a liar.  But I'm willing to bet I'm neither.

[Guest]

Deleted.  Responding to post aimed at someone else.

Edited November 22, 2020 by bcsapper

[sharkman]

6 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Gee, I hope you're not talking to this proud Canadian.

No, I clarified who, and why is above...sorry for the confusion!

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Gee, I hope you're not talking to this proud Canadian.

 

20 minutes ago, sharkman said:

No, I clarified who, and why is above...sorry for the confusion!

Me too.  I got mixed up.  Silliness will do that if you're not careful.

Edited November 22, 2020 by bcsapper

[Argus]

1 hour ago, sharkman said:

Every friday after work, your tongue seems to be loosed, I wonder why?

So if every state says there's no evidence of "widespread fraud", you should be confident that legal efforts by the Trump team will be fruitless.  But instead you're frustrated, even angry at times, and rather defensive.  I wonder why?

But let's look at this statement of yours, "every single state which administers it, Republican and Democrat, says there's no evidence of widespread fraud."  The point is, the fraud occurred in Democrat controlled areas.  Do you think they are going to admit their crimes? 

Oh please. That 'why you angry, bruh?" is the oldest attempt at bating on the internet. No, I'm not angry, I'm disappointed in how easy it has proven to be to draw in the minds of so many people and keep them filled with mush in the face of all reality. I mean, I usually have very little confidence in the intelligence of the citizenry at large, but it's sad to see the right can be just as moronic as the left.

There are little incidents of no importance in every major election. EVERY. SINGLE. ELECTION. Little mistakes, little screwups, little failures of interpreting rules, and even a little bit of actual fraud. I guarantee you there was a bunch of them that favored Trump too. There always is.  But they don't add up to a hill of beans. A few votes here or there just don't matter except in the most super, super tight races. I mean, they found a couple of thousand extra Trump votes in Georgia, which is about as super tight as a state gets, and it doesn't matter in the least. And even if it turned Georgia it still wouldn't matter in the least.

And this attitude of yours and others about "Our people on SCOTUS will fix it for us! They'll hand us the election!" is even more repulsive than much of what the far left spouts.

[Infidel Dog]

19 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

No, what you said was you didn't believe in democracy.  Gang rapists and all that.

No, I didn't. I gave you a couple of hyperbolic examples showing you how pure democracy could produce inequities. 

You seem obsessed by the gang rapist one so let me put it this way suppose you go to prison and you find yourself in a shower with 6 convicted male on male rapists. For that moment, in that place are you still in favor of majority rule?

You said you have a quote saying I'd prefer a dictator. Which would be the totalitarian system? Prison shower majority rule or the checks and balances of a federal republic like America?

Oh wait...did I make a mistake? Hope prison shower is not a fantasy for you? 

Trust me, it's not one of mine. So when you say you have a quote of me saying I'd prefer living under a dictator that's a lie. I am definitely not in favor of Prison shower majority rule.

Even our Canadian system just voted in a guy who didn't win the popular vote. I don't like the guy our system picked but he's what we got so I accept him as Prime Minister. If the electoral college certifies Biden, he'll be President. If it doesn't but somebody puts forward the idea that because he won the popular vote Beijing Biden is the new President I will join the 71 million American patriotic minority in opposing the decision.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, sharkman said:

There's that anger again, expressed in strawman arguments and other nonsense.  You've really gotta save yourself, I can't save you and obviously no one else has yet.

"Why you angry, bruh!?"  There's that sad old taunt from the earliest days of the internet again. Next you'll be bringing Hitler into the discussion.

1 hour ago, sharkman said:

I'll just respond to your first paragraph.  The Supreme Court has some of the very best judges in the land.  That is, both political parties couldn't find any or enough dirt on them to stop their nomination from going forward, and believe you me, they turned over every stone. 

So to you, the 'best judges in the land' are simply those who, regardless of wisdom or ability, don't have enough dirt on them to keep an extremely partisan senate from confirming them? Have I got that right?

1 hour ago, sharkman said:

So there's that.  Speaking for myself, if SCOTUS refuses to take the case, or rules against President Trump's legal team, then I will be satisfied that they didn't gather enough evidence, and if they couldn't, then no one could.

And if they just declare Donald Trump as president you'll be even happier, regardless of facts or law. Don't pretend you're waiting for this learned body of elder jurists to decide case law. You're hoping that they're so partisan they will ignore the law and simply hand the presidency to Trump.

1 hour ago, sharkman said:

Unfortunately in the states where the worst fraud took place, they are Democrat controlled and have been appointing activist democrat judges for decades. 

The last judge to mockingly throw out Trump's lawsuit in Pennsylvania was a federal judge who is a lifelong Republican.

1 hour ago, sharkman said:

Anyway, there is a mountain of evidence on Dominion

Such a mountain that the head of the federal agency which oversees such things couldn't find any. Such a mountain the Trump camp hasn't produced any of it in court.

1 hour ago, sharkman said:

Did your news sources tell you that they have suddenly closed their Toronto and Colorado offices and wiped the company internet page of their employees in some cases?   Which is, of course, what innocent people do.

It's what people being deluged by hate mail and threats of death from people like Infidel Dog and Sharky do too. And maybe you. I'm disappointment in how you guys have lost your minds and allowed a cheap conman to twist you into grovelling fools. What's next for you? Qanon?

 

[Guest]

 

15 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

No, I didn't. I gave you a couple of hyperbolic examples showing you how pure democracy could produce inequities. 

You seem obsessed by the gang rapist one so let me put it this way suppose you go to prison and you find yourself in a shower with 6 convicted male on male rapists. For that moment, in that place are you still in favor of majority rule?

You said you have a quote saying I'd prefer a dictator. Which would be the totalitarian system? Prison shower majority rule or the checks and balances of a federal republic like America?

Oh wait...did I make a mistake? Hope prison shower is not a fantasy for you? 

Trust me, it's not one of mine. So when you say you have a quote of me saying I'd prefer living under a dictator that's a lie. I am definitely not in favor of Prison shower majority rule.

Even our Canadian system just voted in a guy who didn't win the popular vote. I don't like the guy our system picked but he's what we got so I accept him as Prime Minister. If the electoral college certifies Biden, he'll be President. If it doesn't but somebody puts forward the idea that because he won the popular vote Beijing Biden is the new President I will join the 71 million American patriotic minority in opposing the decision.

Well, you said this:

On 11/20/2020 at 8:30 PM, Infidel Dog said:

A democracy is 6 gang rapists and a victim deciding who gets to have a good time.

It's 2 wolves and sheep deciding what's for dinner.

And no, I don't believe in that. It doesn't surprise that you and your friends do though.

That is you saying that you don't believe in democracy.

I asked you whether or not you were talking about Trump when you said you didn't believe in democracy.  Specifically, do you believe the democratically elected president of the US should be replaced with Donald Trump?  Who lost the election, and would therefore assume the role of dictator.

Everbody knows that the popular vote does not always predict the winner.  Look at Donald Trump.  He won the election with 3 million fewer votes than Hillary Clinton.  Now he's lost the election, with 6 million fewer votes than Joe Biden. 

 

Edited November 22, 2020 by bcsapper

[Infidel Dog]

The only question I saw you ask was this one:

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Or are your gang rapists to be trusted more than their gang rapists?

To which I replied:

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I don't get why you guys have such a problem understanding the difference between absolute majority rule and voting under the rule of law. Absolute democratic rule is gang rapist rules but voting under a predefined set of rules with checks and balances is just the law. In America's case it's the law of a Republic. America is a Republic not a pure democracy.

Somehow that warped in your brain and  you were accusing me of pushing gang rapist law.

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You like the democracy that works for you.  Your gang rapists. 

Somehow it completely slipped by you that, that specifically was what I was speaking against.

In other words you either lied or you choose to be ignorant of an inconvenient truth.

[sharkman]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

 

It's what people being deluged by hate mail and threats of death from people like Infidel Dog and Sharky do too. And maybe you. I'm disappointment in how you guys have lost your minds and allowed a cheap conman to twist you into grovelling fools. What's next for you? Qanon?

 

 

I'm going to ignore your post for the most part because I can see there's no point in engaging you in conversation.  The above part I will respond to as an example for anyone reading this thread who can think critically.  

The above is made up nonsense, unfortunately.   Death threats in Toronto Canada, which hates Trump and is rooting for Biden all the way.  Same goes for Colorado, where Biden beat Trump by 13 points.  If there is some hate online, well everyone in this election cycle is getting that.  Is everyone(Biden, Trump, various judges, lawyers, politicians and civil servants) immediately folding up their tents and going into hiding?  Not really, but Argus wants you to believe that Dominion was so shaken by some idiots who live in their mother's basement, that they went into hiding.  

When you can't present reasonable arguments, spreading BS around is what the left turns to.  I believe the phrase is, "baffle them with bullshit".  

Edited November 22, 2020 by sharkman

[Infidel Dog]

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  1 hour ago, Argus said:

 

It's what people being deluged by hate mail and threats of death from people like Infidel Dog and Sharky do too.

Holy smokes, I missed that. There seems to be a lot of libelous lies being fired out all of a sudden.

Did you hear that saying about how if you're getting a lot of flak it just means you're over the target?

There's some truth here these guys seem desperate to avoid facing.

[Argus]

42 minutes ago, sharkman said:

I'm going to ignore your post for the most part because I can see there's no point in engaging you in conversation.  The above part I will respond to as an example for anyone reading this thread who can think critically.  

You think that's what you do?

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The above is made up nonsense, unfortunately.   Death threats in Toronto Canada, which hates Trump and is rooting for Biden all the way. 

Because fanatic Trump supporters don't live here?

Dominion employees latest to face threats, harassment in wake of Trump conspiracy

Voting machine company reports security concerns after presidential ire.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dominion-employees-latest-face-threats-harassment-wake-trump/story?id=74288442

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Same goes for Colorado, where Biden beat Trump by 13 points. 

So that means there are no fierce Trump supporters in Colorado? Is that your critical thinking?

 

Edited November 22, 2020 by Argus

[Guest]

29 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

The only question I saw you ask was this one:

To which I replied:

Somehow that warped in your brain and  you were accusing me of pushing gang rapist law.

Somehow it completely slipped by you that, that specifically was what I was speaking against.

In other words you either lied or you choose to be ignorant of an inconvenient truth.

No.  If Trump had won the election you would not be railing against democracy.  You coined the term gang rapists to illustrate your view of democracy, only because, in this case, it didn't go as you would have hoped.

I merely pointed out to you that you were only opposed to some gang rapists.  Obviously, those who voted for Trump would be splendid Americans all round and not rapists of any kind.  The same with those who elected the Republican lawmakers you seem so desperately to want to subvert the democratic vote.  They are probably not gang rapists in your view.   

Unless it's just a coincidence that your completely unrelated to current events view of democracy, which does not change regardless of who wins what election in whatever race in whatever country, somehow just happened to find its way into a thread about lawsuits seeking to keep Donald Trump in the White House regardless of how many people voted for him to go sling his hook!

 

[sharkman]

Back in 2017, after Trump had won, CNN was reeeeeeally curious to find out whether voting machines might be hackable.  A team of hackers found several ways of compromising the machines.  You Trump haters might not want to watch this one, 

 

 

 

A few tidbits from the video, remember this is 2017, and they are talking about 2020.  But now that Biden has won, it's funny how there's nothing to see here...

"If we don't get our act together quickly, this could be one of the biggest threats to American democracy in our history." 

"Do you believe that right now we are in a position where the 2020 election will be hacked?  Oh, without question.  the 2020 election will be hacked no matter what we do....

[Guest]

The BBC are reporting that Sidney Powell has been fired.

I wonder if it was her mascara...

Edited November 23, 2020 by bcsapper

[Boges]

The whole Sidney Powell thing is fascinating. 

She even drew the ire of Tucker Carlson! 
https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2020/11/20/tucker-carlson-gives-update-after-backlash-over-sidney-powell-segment/6367629002/

So is Tucker now a Cuck who hates freedom? 

I like the argument that they're saving the Dominion evidence for court cases. 

So the 30 that have been laughed out of court already weren't important enough to have released the evidence? 

[Boges]

BTW the Lawsuits are an afterthought right now. 

The verdict released Saturday night in Pennsylvania was pretty much the nail in the coffin. Pennsylvania and Michigan should be certified today. 

The tactic now is the completely anti-democratic (and illegal) method of convincing State legislators to send EC Electors that will vote for Trump even though the state will certify Biden. 

Obviously this is a pipe dream. This whole dog and pony show is still so Trump can fundraise and defend himself once he becomes a private citizen. 

Edited November 23, 2020 by Boges

[BeaverFever]

The Trump lawsuits are a comedy of errors. Team Trump isn’t a gang of evil supervillains, its a clown car of buffoons trying to be criminals but can’t stop tripping over their own shoelaces.
 

They’re not just losing every court case, they’re getting laughed out of court, filing submissions full of spelling mistakes and typos and incoherent arguments. One of their  “evidence” submissions was an affidavit from a so-called expert attempting to show that there were more votes cast in certain Michigan townships than there were legal residents in those townships.  Except the number of residents they provided was from Minnesota, not Michigan. 
 

The whole lawsuit ploy is just a money-raising scam meant for the simple-minded

Edited November 23, 2020 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

A great example  of how desperate Trump is getting:  the sheer volume of email soam he’s sending out begging for money (of which up to 60% of your donation doesn’t go to lawsuits but paying off Trumps campaign debt)

 

A frenetic period the other day was typical, beginning with this from the Make America Great Again Committee: “It’s time to fight back. Can President Trump count on you?” 

Fight back? This was more than two weeks after the election. It’s becoming harder to identify Trump’s endgame, since legal pursuits never really had any chance, and the odds of him actually holding on to the White House are beyond remote. Ninety minutes later:

“The silent Fake News media is truly the Enemy of the People!” The email from Team Trump 2020 asks recipients to confirm their email address in order to “Stand with President Trump.” 

Madness of Trump's emails

Why a new email list now? Is this for fundraising after January? For what? Trump TV? Trump merchandise? Trump in 2024? Three hours later, an email from Trump himself:

“This is sheer MADNESS! The Fake News is trying to keep these unprecedented stories of VOTER FRAUD quiet, but it’s important for the American People to know the TRUTH.” It asks for a $5 donation “to defend the Election.” Less than two hours later, from Mike Pence:

“I have great news. With the President’s WIN in North Carolina, we’ve proved to the Left that, no matter what the media says, this Election is not over.” It requests $5 for the Election Defense Fund.
 

Great news? The election is most certainly over. Is Pence angling for his own presidential run in four years? 

Ninety minutes later, from Eric Trump: “The Radical Left’s plan to steal the Election is starting to crumble.” The president’s son asks for a $5 contribution to the Official Georgia Recount Fund. 
 

Ninety minutes later, from President Trump: “If we don’t stand up and fight right now, we will lose our county to the Liberal Mob forever.” Besides asking for $5 to “Defend the Election from the Radical Left,” is Trump so petty that he gains satisfaction by simply delaying things for Joe Biden’s transition team? 

Two hours later, a joint email from Trump and Pence: “We need you to step up” by contributing to the “Official Election Defense Fund.” 
 

Trump is overdoing it with the barrage of emails

Even for an epic sore loser, this is a remarkable volume of emails in a ridiculously short period of time. I thought getting an email almost every day from L.L. Bean was obnoxious. Trump’s outreach is pathetic. 

 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/11/23/trumps-fund-raising-emails-base-scam-column/6343332002/
 

 

Trump wants to make money off the fake 'stolen election' crisis he created. Don't let him.

Republican donors beware! Trump says he needs your money for legal challenges to the election, but the fine print says it won't be used that way.
 

 

The fine print on Trump’s fundraising solicitations makes his intentions clear. The funds are going to a new Trump “leadership PAC” called Save America (60%) and the Republican National Committee campaign account (40%) — with funds only going to Trump and RNC legal expense accounts if a particular donor has already given the maximum allowable amounts to Save America ($5,000) and the RNC campaign account ($35,500). This looks like a good old-fashioned bait and switch. Leadership PACs like Save America are notorious slush funds, raising money under higher limits than candidate committees and subject to fewer restrictions on how the money is spent. 
 

Donor money isn't going to legal fight

These factors, taken together, compel me to say: Trump donors beware! President Trump is saying he needs your money for legal challenges to last week’s election outcome, but he’s showing you in the fine print that your money won’t be used for legal challenges. What will he do with your money? Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. During his 2016 campaign, Trump’s campaign paid his businesses more than $12 million. Since taking office in 2017, Trump’s campaign has continued paying his businesses millions more of his donors’ dollars, together with millions of taxpayer dollars paid to Trump’s businesses. 

And though federal campaign finance law prohibits a candidate from pocketing campaign funds (the so-called “personal use” ban), this legal restriction does not apply to party committees like the RNC or leadership PACs like Save America.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/11/12/trump-damages-democracy-turns-profit-false-election-claims-column/6239950002/

 

[Infidel Dog]

6 hours ago, Boges said:

BTW the Lawsuits are an afterthought right now. 

The verdict released Saturday night in Pennsylvania was pretty much the nail in the coffin. Pennsylvania and Michigan should be certified today. 

The tactic now is the completely anti-democratic (and illegal) method of convincing State legislators to send EC Electors that will vote for Trump even though the state will certify Biden. 

Obviously this is a pipe dream. This whole dog and pony show is still so Trump can fundraise and defend himself once he becomes a private citizen. 

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The Trump campaign’s appeal of a case that was dismissed by a judge on Saturday has just been granted expedited review by the 3rd Circuit