BREAKING NEWS: it appears a Chinese scientist is coming clean about how COVID 19 was launched onto Mankind

[eyeball]

13 minutes ago, Tdot said:

China GOVT is in charge....

So the Chinese GOVT does fit the description of "They've". True?

Absolutely. I think so too.

What do you think  Shady?

Edited April 17, 2020 by eyeball

[Tdot]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

Exactly.  I don’t think anyone is suggesting it was on purpose or that it was some kind of bio weapon.  

I think everyone is suggesting it was a bio weapon done on purpose IMHO yes at least everyone who did rationalize what it means that the Chinese GOVT forbid infected Wuhan humans to enter the nation's jewel city (Beijing) home of the Chinese GOVT officials' logistical safetynet ---oh but the same Chinese GOVT had no problem letting those same infected humans go out into the rest of the world.  

And the WHO has to be deeply investigated as an accomplice to China. Canada should support this vetting too! Since Canada donates $$$ to the specific China Institute of Virilogy campus where the diseased worker caught the virus.

Edited April 17, 2020 by Tdot

[Tdot]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Absolutely. I think so too.

What do you think  Shady?

Are you naming me "Shady" here?

 

...hmmm...

 

You must be that one MLF member who rents a, Chihuahua booth, at the Wuhan wet market eh?? lol

Edited April 17, 2020 by Tdot

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

Exactly.  I don’t think anyone is suggesting it was on purpose or that it was some kind of bio weapon.  It was legitimate virus research, but it looks like they’re safeguards were severely lacking.

I'll go ahead and suggest that there's a really, really good chance that the virus was held as a bio-weapon, whether it was released intentionally is another matter. They definitely would have recognized it's potential as a bio-weapon.

If I had to guess at the chance that it was released on purpose, I'd peg it at 33%. It's not the most likely scenario but it's not completely unlikely either.

If it was released as a bio-weapon, it wasn't necessarily released as an instrument of all-out war, it could have been deployed as a weapon of economic war. If it was, it was extremely effective. 

Edited April 17, 2020 by WestCanMan

[Shady]

59 minutes ago, Tdot said:

I think everyone is suggesting it was a bio weapon done on purpose IMHO yes at least everyone who did rationalize what it means that the Chinese GOVT forbid infected Wuhan humans to enter the nation's jewel city (Beijing) home of the Chinese GOVT officials' logistical safetynet ---oh but the same Chinese GOVT had no problem letting those same infected humans go out into the rest of the world.  

And the WHO has to be deeply investigated as an accomplice to China. Canada should support this vetting too! Since Canada donates $$$ to the specific China Institute of Virilogy campus where the diseased worker caught the virus.

It doesn’t make sense that it was deliberate.  If you want to deliberately use this as a bio weapon, you don’t infect somebody in your own country, without a vaccine and then have them go into the general population.  You have somebody leave the country, then infect themselves, while having the vaccine available to take once you’ve successfully spread it overseas.

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, Shady said:

It doesn’t make sense that it was deliberate.  If you want to deliberately use this as a bio weapon, you don’t infect somebody in your own country, without a vaccine and then have them go into the general population.  You have somebody leave the country, then infect themselves, while having the vaccine available to take once you’ve successfully spread it overseas.

Furthermore, trying to predict the vector of such a thing is impossible.  But...

[Tdot]

30 minutes ago, Shady said:

It doesn’t make sense that it was deliberate.  If you want to deliberately use this as a bio weapon, you don’t infect somebody in your own country...

There are only two (2) countries on Earth (China, India) that are so overpopulated, to whereas...

they can stand to expend a few hundred thousand humans ---as walking/traveling bioweapons onto the Trump Admin's nation!--- in a payback/revenge effort. Yes, for how the Trump just embarrassed China with that historical trade war ---no nation has embarrassed China that way, since the 1960's.

Keep in mind that the reverb of Trump's trade war is, epic, in light of how other nations are also now challenging China's illegitimate trade tactics with their respective nations.

Edited April 17, 2020 by Tdot

[Michael Hardner]

10 minutes ago, Shady said:

It doesn’t make sense that it was deliberate.  If you want to deliberately use this as a bio weapon, you don’t infect somebody in your own country, without a vaccine and then have them go into the general population.  You have somebody leave the country, then infect themselves, while having the vaccine available to take once you’ve successfully spread it overseas.

Furthermore, trying to predict the vector of such a thing is impossible.  But...

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Shady said:

It doesn’t make sense that it was deliberate.  If you want to deliberately use this as a bio weapon, you don’t infect somebody in your own country, without a vaccine and then have them go into the general population.  You have somebody leave the country, then infect themselves, while having the vaccine available to take once you’ve successfully spread it overseas.

Not if you wanted to make it look like it came from a wet market and you had nothing to do with it.

I'm not saying they did.  Just that if they did, they would happily sacrifice many of their own population to ensure it looked random.

[Tdot]

19 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

...trying to predict the vector of such a thing is impossible.  But.

That's just it...they did in fact accurately predict a, vector, when they forbid infected Wuhan people from going to certain areas of China ---including the area which houses most all of the top officials in the China GOVT.

 

...hmmmm...

Edited April 17, 2020 by Tdot

[Michael Hardner]

11 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Not if you wanted to make it look like it came from a wet market and you had nothing to do with it.

I'm not saying they did.  Just that if they did, they would happily sacrifice many of their own population to ensure it looked random.

Scientists have looked at the virus and said it wasn't created in a lab.

[Tdot]

25 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Scientists have looked at the virus and said it wasn't created in a lab.

Doesn't matter.  

If the virus did already exist and was merely being, studied, within in a lab when a lab worker caught the virus and went out to infect the local humans ---then the China GOVT still has to be held accountable. Yes, for learning of the crisis, then intentionally seeking to mainly protect just the Chinese GOVT's compound/it's version of the WashDC area, from infected humans.

Edited April 17, 2020 by Tdot

[WestCanMan]

26 minutes ago, Shady said:

It doesn’t make sense that it was deliberate.  If you want to deliberately use this as a bio weapon, you don’t infect somebody in your own country, without a vaccine and then have them go into the general population.  You have somebody leave the country, then infect themselves, while having the vaccine available to take once you’ve successfully spread it overseas.

Yeah, sorry but it does. It's China. We're talking about the country that killed 50M of their own people in the '50s, and that just recently had a 1 child/family policy which was ruthlessly enforced.

The virus killed off a demographic of their population that doesn't do much more than drag the country down militarily and economically, the fact that they had a death toll is a good smoke screen, and the virus dealt a hammer blow to the US economy.

If you look at the death toll in NYC, it could be partly because of the over-crowded subway, it could partly be because they sent a few infected 24 yr olds there to just ride the rails for a few days. There are a lot of other subway systems in the world that are just as crowded which don't have NYC's infection rate. 

Never rule anything out.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Scientists have looked at the virus and said it wasn't created in a lab.

Yeah, I wasn't saying it had been.  Just that Shady's logic was not unassailable.

[Tdot]

27 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Yeah, sorry but it does. It's China. We're talking about the country that killed 50M of their own people in the '50s, and that just recently had a 1 child/family policy which was ruthlessly enforced.

The virus killed off a demographic of their population that doesn't do much more than drag the country down militarily and economically, the fact that they had a death toll is a good smoke screen, and the virus dealt a hammer blow to the US economy.

If you look at the death toll in NYC, it could be partly because of the over-crowded subway, it could partly be because they sent a few infected 24 yr olds there to just ride the rails for a few days. There are a lot of other subway systems in the world that are just as crowded which don't have NYC's infection rate. 

Never rule anything out.

Nice.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Scientists have looked at the virus and said it wasn't created in a lab.

Even if it wasn't created in a lab that doesn't mean that it wasn't harvested in the wild and then released intentionally. 

The People's Republic of Boguslandia could release the Ebola virus if they wanted to. That doesn't mean that they made it in a lab. 

[Shady]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Scientists have looked at the virus and said it wasn't created in a lab.

True, it wasn’t created in a lab, but it looks like it was being studied in a lab.

[Shady]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

Not if you wanted to make it look like it came from a wet market and you had nothing to do with it.

I'm not saying they did.  Just that if they did, they would happily sacrifice many of their own population to ensure it looked random.

That’s true, they probably wouldn’t think twice about sacrificing a large chunk of their own citizens.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Tdot said:

Are you naming me "Shady" here?

Nope.

[Moonlight Graham]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

It doesn’t make sense that it was deliberate.  If you want to deliberately use this as a bio weapon, you don’t infect somebody in your own country, without a vaccine and then have them go into the general population.  You have somebody leave the country, then infect themselves, while having the vaccine available to take once you’ve successfully spread it overseas.

Unless you have 1.4 billion people and don't mind culling a bit of the older population that aren't even working anymore.  Or you do have a vaccine but only the higher ups in the gov't have access.

I don't know what the advantage for China would be though.  Unless it would be to hamper Trump's re-election?  Doubtful it was on purpose IMO

Edited April 17, 2020 by Moonlight Graham

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Unless you have 1.4 billion people and don't mind culling a bit of the older population that aren't even working anymore.

So much for slackers unite.

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Unless you have 1.4 billion people and don't mind culling a bit of the older population that aren't even working anymore.  Or you do have a vaccine but only the higher ups in the gov't have access.

I don't know what the advantage for China would be though.  Unless it would be to hamper Trump's re-election?  Doubtful it was on purpose IMO

When countries start wars, they always know that some of their own people will die. Usually it's massive amounts of 17-24 yr olds. IE, extremely useful people with 40-50 yrs left of supporting the economy left in them. 

If China knew that they could deal this much damage to the American economy, and only lose 4,632 people [mainly septuagenarians and octogenarians with a few other very unhealthy people sprinkled in], and get away with the vast majority of the world thinking China was totally innocent, would the Chinese government do it? 

Without question. This was a massive victory for Xi if this was intentional, and there won't be a single member of the Chinese government that would see it as anything but. Business/the economy is war. 

I'm not guaranteeing this was intentional, I'm still putting it at 33%, but if it was intentional it was a complete master stroke, and there was no better way for China to have done this. 

[Moonlight Graham]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Without question. This was a massive victory for Xi if this was intentional, and there won't be a single member of the Chinese government that would see it as anything but. Business/the economy is war. 

I'm not guaranteeing this was intentional, I'm still putting it at 33%, but if it was intentional it was a complete master stroke, and there was no better way for China to have done this. 

This has massively harmed China's economy too, plus their international reputation.  I don't see any net benefit from this for them.

Edited April 17, 2020 by Moonlight Graham

[Tdot]

42 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

This has massively harmed China's economy too, plus their international reputation.  I don't see any net benefit from this for them.

That's because you're disregarding the residual outcome/the veracious outcome, of President Trump's trade war vs China.  

If you understand China's power and global influence, then you prop that up against how Trump embarrassed China in a way we have not seen since the 1960's. Yes including, I repeat, including how Trump has inspired other nations to now rise up against China's illegitimate/unethical trade practices that China pulls on all non-BRICs nations. This is huge! 

Nowadays China just wants to harm certain countries especially the USA yes and the Chinese cost was, relieving to China's GOVT, since the price was a few hundred thousand infected China citizens from their overcrowded/overpopulated nation.

Edited April 17, 2020 by Tdot

[Moonlight Graham]

1 minute ago, Tdot said:

That's because you're disregarding the residual outcome/the veracious outcome, of President Trump's trade war vs China.  

If you understand China's power and global influence, then you prop that up against how Trump embarrassed China in a way we have not seen since the 1960's. Yes including, I repeat, including how Trump has caused other nations to now rise up against China's illegitimate/unethical trade practices that China pulls on all non-BRICs nations. This is huge! 

China just wants to harm certain countries and the Chinese cost was, relieving to China's GOVT, since the price was a few hundred thousand China citizens from their overcrowded/overpopulated nation.

At the end of the day this is all speculation.  We need proof via evidence.  I suspect we'll find out what happened one way or another.