Why Can'T They Give A Straight LOGICAL Answer?

Rue · April 6, 2020

6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Yeah....many have already suspected as much, not waiting for the doctors to complete their "science".

That's the only plausible way for such rapid infection, unless it was food or water borne.

It's a damn shame we didn't recognize airborne transmission a lot sooner.

It's a darn shame you do not take the time to understand what airborne means.

bush_cheney2004 · April 6, 2020

3 minutes ago, Rue said:

You need to understand what enables something to be airborne...itvdoes not just float like a hair.

Well, I ain't no doctor, but the U.S. Navy taught me a lot about airborne particulates and contamination. We had protective breathing gear that was a lot more potent than N95 masks and respirators. Plus it was radioactive. And it wasn't hair.

Argus · April 6, 2020

1 hour ago, scribblet said:

I'm a senior so yes, scared of getting it, hubby is a few years older, I doubt we would survive it and it's a hard way to go. we are on our own, kids can't get to us as they don't have cars, so yeah, I won't go shopping without a mask, which we can't get.

betsy · April 6, 2020

3 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Betsy, you don't need to worry if you are staying home. When you do need to get groceries. stay two metres away from people, and wash your hands. Many grocery stores have set up hand washing stations at the entrance / exit to the store. Wash your hands properly when you enter and when you leave. Donning and removing a mask is a complicated procedure

Nice to know my OCD is suddenly a survival advantage.

I want to have an added protection. :shrug: Why is that so hard to register?

Btw, how do you know for sure that 6 meters is enough? If someone sneezes - i suppose it depends on the strength of the sneeze.

You've got to consider the wind factor, too -how windy or breezy it is can determine how far that sneeze droplet can go. Does the virus know enough to measure the distance?

Edited April 6, 2020 by betsy

bush_cheney2004 · April 6, 2020

Now the doctors are debating airborne transmission...no hurry doc...take your time....we'll just wait until all your fancy peer reviewed papers are published in The Lancet or New England Journal of Medicine. Hell, you might even get a Nobel prize in 20 years.

Meanwhile, we will just be patient and drop like flies !

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Is the coronavirus airborne? Experts can’t agree

The World Health Organization says the evidence is not compelling, but scientists warn that gathering sufficient data could take years and cost lives.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00974-w

Rue · April 6, 2020

3 minutes ago, betsy said:

Nothing wrong with fear. especially fear of something we don't fully understand!

FEAR, is a natural self-preservation instinct!

Ignorance - or the inability to foresee the possibilities - can make you - or a loved one - dead!

Fear is a primal impulse triggered by ignorance. As a result it causes war, suicide, violence, hysteria, panic. Therefore to pose it as a beneficial survival skill is illogical let alone silly.

betsy · April 6, 2020

12 minutes ago, Rue said:

It's a darn shame you do not take the time to understand what airborne means.

Do you? Do you understand what entails "airborne?"

If I sneeze on a windy day and you're about 15 feet from me - you think it isn't possible for the droplets to reach you? You think everything is visible? You'll probably be lulled by your false sense of security that just because you're several feet away from me, that you're safe.

You're taking a chance on something you hardly know. We don't know much about this virus.

Edited April 6, 2020 by betsy

bush_cheney2004 · April 6, 2020

Just now, Rue said:

Fear is a primal impulse triggered by ignorance. As a result it causes war, suicide, violence, hysteria, panic. Therefore to pose it as a beneficial survival skill is illogical let alone silly.

Arrogance borne of ignorance is far worse. The doctors just don't know, and neither do you.

Rue · April 6, 2020

4 minutes ago, betsy said:

I want to have an added protection. :shrug: Why is that so hard to register?

Btw, how do you know for sure that 6 meters is enough? If someone sneezes - i suppose it depends on the strength of the sneeze.

You've got to consider the wind factor, too -how windy or breezy it is can determine how far that sneeze droplet can go. Does the virus know enough to measure the distance?

You answered your thread question. When someone tries to provide a rational response you dismiss it. Kind of hard to give you a responsecif you got both ears blocked with your fingers.

betsy · April 6, 2020

6 minutes ago, Rue said:

Fear is a primal impulse triggered by ignorance. As a result it causes war, suicide, violence, hysteria, panic. Therefore to pose it as a beneficial survival skill is illogical let alone silly.

Fear is a natural defense mechanism!

Edited April 6, 2020 by betsy

betsy · April 6, 2020

4 minutes ago, Rue said:

You answered your thread question. When someone tries to provide a rational response you dismiss it. Kind of hard to give you a responsecif you got both ears blocked with your fingers.

I dismiss your irrational response! You're cluttering the thread with your ignorant and short-sighted views.

At least, politicians are doing their politicking - that's their excuse. What about you? What do you gain from arguing on this thread? :lol:

You want to be superman? Show us you're fearless? Go ahead - I'm not stopping you!

Edited April 6, 2020 by betsy

Rue · April 6, 2020

2 minutes ago, betsy said:

Do you? Do you understand what entails "airborne?"

If I sneeze on a windy day and you're about 15 feet from me - you think it isn't possible for the droplets to reach you? You think everything is visible? You'll probably be lulled by your false sense of security that just because you're several feet away from me, that you're safe.

You're taking a chance on something you hardly know. We don't know much about this virus.

Yes I do and many others do and you can find out too Betsy if you stop playing the powerless victim. Go read up what it means. You ignored me.

This fear you have that a windy day will kill you is irrational. If you want to be fearful like that you choose to. Think. How is a sneeze from 15 feet away going to blow into your nose. Use common sense.

Rue · April 6, 2020

3 minutes ago, betsy said:

Fear is a natural defense mechanism!

Not when it's based on ignorance. Learning not to touch fire would be. Fearing masterbating will make you impure would not be.

betsy · April 6, 2020

4 minutes ago, Rue said:

Yes I do and many others do and you can find out too Betsy if you stop playing the powerless victim. Go read up what it means. You ignored me.

This fear you have that a windy day will kill you is irrational. If you want to be fearful like that you choose to. Think. How is a sneeze from 15 feet away going to blow into your nose. Use common sense.

:rolleyes:

Go ahead, fearless man.

Btw, I'm not a "powerless" victim. I'm using my power - my thinking power. I'm not a mindless sheep that just take the words of politicians especially so when questionable statements are being made.

Some reporters are also hammering away at the inconsistencies in Dr Tam's narrative! I'm not simply imagining it.

Edited April 6, 2020 by betsy

betsy · April 6, 2020

1 minute ago, Rue said:

Not when it's based on ignorance. Learning not to touch fire would be. Fearing masterbating will make you impure would not be.

But you're the one being ignorant. That's the point.

Edited April 6, 2020 by betsy

Queenmandy85 · April 6, 2020

If we all stay home, it doesn't matter if it is two metres or four metres. Walls are good protection. Once a week, I venture out to buy food. I know nothing of your (Betsy) personal circumstances so I do not presume to tell you what to do. However, for myself, I rely on that old civil service question, "Is this trip neccessary?"

My concern about a mask is if it were to get contaminated, you need to remove it without touching it immediately. If your mask gets contaminated by someone's infected sneeze, the virus will still infect you through your eyes unless you are wearing goggles as well. If you sneeze, chances are, you will touch your face.

Each to his/her own. If a mask makes you feel better, that's good. Just be careful.

Edited April 6, 2020 by Queenmandy85

Rue · April 6, 2020

12 minutes ago, betsy said:

I dismiss your irrational response! You're cluttering the thread with your ignorant and short-sighted views.

At least, politicians are doing their politicking - that's their excuse. What about you? What do you gain from arguing on this thread?

I gain pointing out spreading fear about a virus is counter productive. I challenge people who fear monger. However since you are clear you want to engage in illogical reactions, at least start a new thread, you answered your question..you are not interested in logical responses or info..you want to wallow in fear of air and incite others too..please do not let stop you...

Edited April 6, 2020 by Rue

Argus · April 6, 2020

15 minutes ago, Rue said:

Fear is a primal impulse triggered by ignorance.

If a tiger is running at you, is your fear triggered by ignorance?

Rue · April 6, 2020

4 minutes ago, betsy said:

But you're the one being ignorant. That's the point.

No I am simply pointing out alternative info you disagree with and reject.

bush_cheney2004 · April 6, 2020

Put me down for a $2 bet on airborne aerosol.....I can afford to lose $2, but not my dear wife !

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The study described in this article was published in The New England Journal of Medicine on March 17. This article was originally published on March 13.
The novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 can survive in the air for several hours in fine particles known as aerosols, according to preliminary research.
The coronavirus, which causes the respiratory infection COVID-19, can be detected up to 3 hours after aerosolization and can infect cells throughout that time period, the study authors found. However, the study, first posted March 10 on the preprint database medRxiv, is still preliminary, because it has not undergone extensive peer-review. The authors did receive comments from one prospective scientific journal, and posted an updated version of the study on March 13 reflecting the revisions.

Assuming these initial results hold up to scrutiny, aerosol transmission of SARS-CoV-2 appears "plausible," the authors wrote — but several key questions remain unanswered.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-can-spread-as-an-aerosol.html

Rue · April 6, 2020

12 minutes ago, Argus said:

If a tiger is running at you, is your fear triggered by ignorance?

Depends. Is it a wild tiger or a completely tame one simply wanting to play and you did not know it was tame..

Edited April 6, 2020 by Rue

Rue · April 6, 2020

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Put me down for a $2 bet on airborne aerosol.....I can afford to lose $2, but not my dear wife !

Can you go please find out what an airborne areosol is and why because areosol means liquid spray it does not float in the air three hours until you walk by and inhale it..its not how it's transmitted or inhaled..again you are not taking the time to understand what you are reading..nothing in what you read said you will breath it in 3 hours later...

bush_cheney2004 · April 6, 2020

1 minute ago, Rue said:

Can you go please find out what an airborne areosol is and why because areosol means liquid spray it does not float in the air three hours until you walk by and inhale it..its not how it's transmitted or inhaled..again you are not taking the time to understand what you are reading..nothing in what you read said you will breath it in 3 hours later...

Look....we have provided the "cites" that support airborne transmission.

You have provided nothing but pretend expertise in viral transmission.

I choose to believe common sense and published studies instead of your assertions to the contrary.

dialamah · April 6, 2020

50 minutes ago, betsy said:

I don't understand the mentality on how you guys would try to dissuade people from doing what's only practical.

Its not practical for me to order groceries from home because I wouldn't be able to get them for at least a week, they're that busy. But I'm ok grocery shopping using precautions. How am I dissuading anyone from doing anything?

eyeball · April 6, 2020

1 hour ago, betsy said:

It's not a matter of whether you're high-risked or scared!

It's a civic duty to try to help stem the spread, especially so when we don't know how it will be in hospitals without any proper equipments! You don't want the hospitals to be swamped with gasping patients without any ventilators available.

I don't understand the mentality on how you guys would try to dissuade people from doing what's only practical.

We are, we're staying home and utilizing less of what health workers need - time and equipment. I think you guys are just interested in creating a sense of security as a prelude to shaming everyone into doing their economic duty for the sake of a better quarterly report.