Conservative Party leadership

[Argus]

3 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The same can be said about Roman Catholicism. Women are repressed, gays are persecuted, the beliefs are medieval. However, just because it can be said, doesn't make it true.  

No, that's the kind of equivalency argument we get all the time from progressives. And it's crap. The Catholic church, just as a start, does not support the death penalty for people who violate a wide variety of religious laws. For that matter, it doesn't have any religious laws. It does not require women to cover up, while men can dress as they want. It doesn't make women sit in the back of the church behind a screen, or up in the attic. It doesn't suggest as part of its dogma that a woman's word is worth one quarter that of a man, nor that in inheritances, sons should get much more than daughters. It does not preach against gays so much as it does against extra-marital sex. And it doesn't believe in gay marriage because marriage is a sacrament meant to bring about children. It certainly doesn't suggest they should be killed.

To quote Douglas Murray, who addressed this very issue, when people proudly told him they'd protested the pope's visit "You know, I'm a gay man, I'd the church to marry gay men, but they aren't going to. Meanwhile, I just wish those people so concerned with gay marriage and Catholics would be at least a little concerned with people who want to throw me off a f*cking building."

And the Catholic church is not preaching against the evil of the unbelievers the way Islam does, hence almost all the terrorist trying to murder people are Muslims not Catholics.

[Queenmandy85]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

almost all the terrorist trying to murder people are Muslims not Catholics.

Tell that to Lord Mountbatten.

Every religion has some nutters. 

[Guest]

44 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Tell that to Lord Mountbatten.

Every religion has some nutters. 

Yeah, but some have more nutters than others.

[jacee]

On 3/27/2020 at 4:30 PM, Moonbox said:

I just want to see someone who's not living in the 1980's still.  I saw this article in the Globe a little while ago, and it echoes a lot of my sentiments.  

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-tories-need-a-leader-with-vision-or-risk-losing-young/

Natalie Pon, a cool, smart chick from out west and a fair bit younger than your average conservative, lays it out pretty clearly.  Hanging on to outdated social conservative values, particularly on gay marriage and stuff like that, is going to keep the conservatives out of power for a long time.  The ship has sailed on a lot of these matters, and as the younger generation continues to take on a bigger and bigger role in politics and the economy, ignoring them in favor of Bible-Thumpers in Quebec or the Prairies, or clinging to the Harper-era old guard is going to leave Trudeau and pals firmly entrenched.  

Youth isn't really the solution for Conservative leadership. Anti-gay, anti-abortion, pro-oil and false 'trickle down' economics define the Conservative Party, including its youth. Andrew Scheer isn't old: He just has archaic ideas, like the Party itself, which has little relevance anymore outside of Alberta and Saskatchewan. 

Peter MacKay certainly isn't the solution, but a solution just doesn't exist in the CPC. 

Edited April 13, 2020 by jacee

[Argus]

11 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Tell that to Lord Mountbatten.

Every religion has some nutters. 

That was a struggle for territory, not religion. It just happened the invaders were protestant and the natives Catholic. But there haven't been any actual religious arguments between them in centuries now. And it was considerably less bloody and brutal and nasty than any of the Muslim terrorists. I mean, how often does a Muslim terrorist plant a bomb and then phone in a warning?

Edited April 13, 2020 by Argus

[Argus]

9 hours ago, jacee said:

Peter MacKay certainly isn't the solution, but a solution just doesn't exist in the CPC. 

I think the solution is a strong, articulate leader who doesn't shrink from espousing and defending conservative policies. We haven't had one in a while. The problem for the conservatives is really that their policies are broad based. They're like "With an improved economy, there'll be more jobs and you'll have more opportunities" vs the NDP and Liberals whose policies can be summarized as "Vote for me and I'll send you big, fat cheques!"

Conservatives are all about self-reliance. The Left is all about blaming other people for your problems and reassuring you none of it is your fault. That's a more attractive argument to the weak-minded who make up most of the electorate for the NDP and Liberals. No one is asking them to do anything. Instead they promise the government will do all sorts of stuff for them. For free! What's not to like? As long as the money lasts. Which, due to this virus, might not be long. Most provinces are going to get credit downgrades very soon, along with the federal government. That's going to bring higher borrowing costs and, eventually, higher debt servicing costs. And if all this massive borrowing causes an inflation spike everyone's debt is going to quickly get out of control.

Edited April 13, 2020 by Argus

[Moonbox]

9 hours ago, jacee said:

Youth isn't really the solution for Conservative leadership. Anti-gay, anti-abortion, pro-oil and false 'trickle down' economics define the Conservative Party, including its youth. Andrew Scheer isn't old: He just has archaic ideas, like the Party itself, which has little relevance anymore outside of Alberta and Saskatchewan. 

Peter MacKay certainly isn't the solution, but a solution just doesn't exist in the CPC. 

Youth could be the solution.  Andrew Scheer is a dinosaur hiding in a middle-aged man's body.  He was so out of touch and tone-deaf that it made me cringe, and I generally vote conservative.  I couldn't vote for him though, nor am I pleased with the idea of voting for Peter MacKay. 

As demographics continue to skew towards the echo-boom, the archaic ideas you spoke of will get more and more out of fashion and those that support them (or fail to support progressive values) will get more and more irrelevant. 

There are lots of younger conservatives out there.  They just want to see fiscal and social common-sense, or secular conservatism, rather than the old-school religious brand.  

 

 

 

[Rue]

On 3/27/2020 at 3:24 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

Don't forget someone not retarded.

Damn  I was gonna run until you said that. 

[Rue]

On 3/27/2020 at 4:30 PM, Moonbox said:

I just want to see someone who's not living in the 1980's still.  I saw this article in the Globe a little while ago, and it echoes a lot of my sentiments.  

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-tories-need-a-leader-with-vision-or-risk-losing-young/

Natalie Pon, a cool, smart chick from out west and a fair bit younger than your average conservative, lays it out pretty clearly.  Hanging on to outdated social conservative values, particularly on gay marriage and stuff like that, is going to keep the conservatives out of power for a long time.  The ship has sailed on a lot of these matters, and as the younger generation continues to take on a bigger and bigger role in politics and the economy, ignoring them in favor of Bible-Thumpers in Quebec or the Prairies, or clinging to the Harper-era old guard is going to leave Trudeau and pals firmly entrenched.  

Cool smart chick..you must mean Betsy.

[SpankyMcFarland]

I’m still surprised Polievre didn’t run. He’s one of the outstanding performers in the House, nearly always speaking in coherent sentences. If the Conservatives win next time, he’ll probably never get a chance to lead his party again. 

Edited April 21, 2020 by SpankyMcFarland

[Army Guy]

On 4/13/2020 at 3:04 AM, jacee said:

Youth isn't really the solution for Conservative leadership. Anti-gay, anti-abortion, pro-oil and false 'trickle down' economics define the Conservative Party, including its youth. Andrew Scheer isn't old: He just has archaic ideas, like the Party itself, which has little relevance anymore outside of Alberta and Saskatchewan. 

Peter MacKay certainly isn't the solution, but a solution just doesn't exist in the CPC. 

WOW, didn't know that Alberta and Saskatchewan had the most voters, was it the conservative party in the last election that had the most votes I'm confused....thats got to say something about relevance does it not. It is the left that is consumed with those archaic ideas, yes I said the left it was Justin filling the lefts heads with this is going to happen if you vote Conservative, they will change everything the Liberals have worked so hard to accomplish....ya I mean dancing down the street with barely any cloths on is an accomplishment , then ya....good on ya, bringing in gay marriage,.... shit ya another milestone reached...everyone can have a piece of paper signed in church...big deal, has any of it made any real difference in their world....I don't think so, does it make their world any safer not really......but it is a political win is it not...

anti abortion, another you can't even talk about subject with the left ....so pass on that one. 

Pro oil is what used to drive this country, and once the liberals get voted out, the conservatives will change all of that ( ok so it's my dream, so what) Oil will continue to drive this nation long after I'm gone, unless you got something else...the left is not going to be happy until we can not use any of our resources, or any of the alternatives like nuclear energy........And it's not that the conservative ideas are old, the left has become to damn sensitive to have a conversation with, "that hurts my feelings, you can't call me "mr" I identify as a fire truck, eeerrrr, see my flashing lights....and unless it has something to do with climate control it is not worth talking about....so bad it is now a source of entertainment , tell a group of lefty's there is no such thing as climate change and watch there heads swell up and pop off.  What this country needs is true leadership, Canadians are starved for it, the country is divided right now, like we needed another division English /French now right /left..... I could not care what party they formed , If they put the nation first, and had solid leadership with great ideas, and no time for all these special interest groups and stuck with the basics. I'd even vote for you Jaccee if you had all those qualities...

[jacee]

11 hours ago, Army Guy said:

....good on ya, bringing in gay marriage,....  

anti abortion, another you can't even talk about subject with the left ....

Pro oil is what used to drive this country, ... Oil will continue to drive this nation long after I'm gone, 

..And it's not that the conservative ideas are old, the left has become to damn sensitive to have a conversation with, "that hurts my feelings, you can't call me "mr" I identify as a fire truck, eeerrrr, see my flashing lights....

and unless it has something to do with climate control it is not worth talking about....

no time for all these special interest groups 

Lol 

You're a classic, Army Guy. And you certainly make my point: Conservatives sticking with old ideas that just don't work anymore.

[Shady]

5 minutes ago, jacee said:

Lol 

You're a classic, Army Guy. And you certainly make my point: Conservatives sticking with old ideas that just don't work anymore.

Not really.  It's regressives, err progressives that stick to old ideas.  Antiquated abortion policies based on 1970s science.  Or antiquated Old Age Pension policies based on life expectancy statistics from 20 and 30 years ago, ignoring people living longer.  Or old income tax policies from the 1960s of 90%.  

[Argus]

3 hours ago, jacee said:

Lol 

You're a classic, Army Guy. And you certainly make my point: Conservatives sticking with old ideas that just don't work anymore.

You mean like merit?

[Army Guy]

7 hours ago, jacee said:

Lol 

You're a classic, Army Guy. And you certainly make my point: Conservatives sticking with old ideas that just don't work anymore.

I know jacee, secretively you want to be on the right side of the political spectrum, but something is holding you back, maybe it's the love of Justins hair, or what the green party promised to do for you and your garden....in reality it is just the cons and Liberals that have any power, come on join us you'll feel much better... shed that those dirty liberal leftist lies.... 

[jacee]

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I know jacee, secretively you want to be on the right side of the political spectrum, but something is holding you back, maybe it's the love of Justins hair, or what the green party promised to do for you and your garden....in reality it is just the cons and Liberals that have any power, come on join us you'll feel much better... shed that those dirty liberal leftist lies.... 

Right now it's the Libs & NDP that have power. 

 

[Army Guy]

Your taking the red pills again you need to start to take the blue ones....NDP right, who has been challenging the liberals on every piece of legislation   because they can not be trusted, NDP are nothing more than window dressing.....remember stick with the blue pills.... 

[Argus]

So it has come to this in the 'conservative' party. The two main candidates arguing over who is more enthusiastically supportive of transgender rights. Mckay, who had previously said if he was an MP at the time he would have supported Trudeau's idiotic transgender rights bill has attacked O'Toole for... supporting Trudeau's idiotic transgender rights bill. Then desperately backpedals when the progressive media gets outraged. And they're vying to lead a party whose membership is probably about 90% opposed to that bill. How did the Conservative party transition so quickly back to the Progressive-Conservative Party? Not to mention why? Understand that the people in the alphabet community are not going to vote Tory. All their support for this progressive crap does is alienate the base.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/peter-mackay-email-transgender-rights_ca_5eac81eac5b6b0b1b53596d4