Boges Posted June 17, 2020 Report Posted June 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: The virus is essentially over in Canada. There have been no major outbreaks despite people going outside in large numbers, unprotected, for several weeks. These protests have been happening daily at Queen's Park since early May: No one is wearing a mask. The photo is May 16. Just as grocery clerks did not wear masks throughout this ordeal. Anyone hear of major outbreaks among grocery clerks? No. If that happened, it would have been a screaming headline. Yet they continue to serve us, these grocery clerks, these human guinea-pigs who are in fact now heroes for us. Sure. But there are still hot spot in the US. Mostly states that opened up fast. The instances of new cases in the US has actually remained pretty stable as cases have migrated from New England/New York to the Sunbelt. I do think that one of the things that is helping keep transmission down is that Masks are now this cultural touchstone. Quote
eyeball Posted June 17, 2020 Report Posted June 17, 2020 15 hours ago, OftenWrong said: I understand they shove a very long stick up your nose with a brush on the end. They push this into your nose. How far up? "All the way up." And both sides too. No effin thank you. What's the point? Ain't no vaccine, and ain't likely to kill me no how. I wonder what people who think this way go thru when someone they love dies from this? Just shrug and scrape them off or something? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 17, 2020 Report Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) Greece’s PM explains in excellent English how his country has done so well so far in the COVID crisis: https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2020/06/14/exp-gps-0614-greek-pm-covid.cnn Edited June 17, 2020 by SpankyMcFarland Quote
Boges Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 Looks like people who thought the lockdowns were a waste of time have quieted down a bit. Sunbelt US states are now the new epicentre of the virus. The US sees 20,000+ new cases a day. And they're not coming from New England. That's a more than Canada's entire total since the pandemic began every week. Population difference or density doesn't explain that way anymore. States that were eager to open up quickly because the caseload wasn't what it was in the Northeast must realize now why that was dumb AF. Testing is better, but you also have to have reason to need testing. EI being sick. The saving grace, I suppose, is that death rates haven't skyrocketed. Doctors seem to know how to treat it now. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Boges said: Looks like people who thought the lockdowns were a waste of time have quieted down a bit. Sunbelt US states are now the new epicentre of the virus. Good....because epidemiologists know that the only way out is to go right through it with 60% to 70% infection for herd immunity. Not going back to total lockdowns...not even in Canada which also has new spikes. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Not going back to total lockdowns...not even in Canada which also has new spikes. Cite. BTW, I concede we're not going back to lockdowns. Murika should have probably had that attitude that people should just die from the virus form the start. Edited June 18, 2020 by Boges Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Boges said: Cite. BTW, I concede we're not going back to lockdowns. Murika should have probably had that attitude that people should just die from the virus form the start. We did.....it was Canada that whined more about it because old people were dropping like flies in crappy long term care facilities. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: We did.....it was Canada that whined more about it because old people were dropping like flies in crappy long term care facilities. Whined about what? You still haven't highlighted recent spikes anywhere in Canada. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Boges said: Whined about what? You still haven't highlighted recent spikes anywhere in Canada. Whined about grandma and grandpa dying in droves at LTCs. Still whining about structural changes that were needed over 20 years ago. Oh, and Canada is still lagging behind in testing .... Ontario sees spike in COVID-19 cases, testing lags again https://www.nationalobserver.com/2020/05/22/analysis/ontario-sees-spike-covid-19-cases-testing-lags-again Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: https://www.nationalobserver.com/2020/05/22/analysis/ontario-sees-spike-covid-19-cases-testing-lags-again You quoted an article from May 22. https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-reports-173-new-cases-of-covid-19-3-new-deaths-1.4989672 Today's figures are 173 positive cases from 25,000 processed tests. More cases are resolved each day than new cases. Edited June 18, 2020 by Boges Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Boges said: Today's figures are 173 positive cases from 25,000 processed tests. More cases are resolved each day than new cases. More cases....enjoy the "spike". Shutdowns are for pussies. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: More cases....enjoy the "spike". Shutdowns are for pussies. It's not a spike when more cases are resolved than positive. On Friday, most Ontario regions will be in Phase 2 of re-opening. Edited June 18, 2020 by Boges Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Boges said: It's not a spike when more cases are resolved than positive. On Friday, most Ontario regions will be in Phase 2 of re-opening. So what took them so long ? Quote TORONTO -- Ontario has recorded spike in the number of new COVID-19 cases as the province surpasses 30,000 infections. Health officials reported 455 new cases of COVID-19 on Saturday but admitted that 68 of those cases were a result of a "laboratory-to-public health reporting delay." The province also recorded an additional 35 COVID-19 related deaths, bringing the total number of fatalities to 2,407. https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-reports-spike-in-covid-19-cases-but-admits-dozens-are-result-of-reporting-delay-1.4972521 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So what took them so long ? Again, Article from June 6th. Today is June 19th. Ontario's current results compared to the likes of say, Florida is stark. Edited June 18, 2020 by Boges Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 Just now, Boges said: Again, Article from June 6th. Today is June 19th. Ontario's current results compared to the likes of say, Florida is stark. Ontario is very slow with data.....here is June 10th Spike in COVID cases among agri-food workers in southwestern Ontario Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Ontario is very slow with data.....here is June 10th Spike in COVID cases among agri-food workers in southwestern Ontario So now you're going to highlight any article that shows a spike in cases, no matter how small as evidence of what exactly? No where in Canada do you have spikes being seen in the US Sunbelt. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boges said: So now you're going to highlight any article that shows a spike in cases, no matter how small as evidence of what exactly? No where in Canada do you have spikes being seen in the US Sunbelt. The U.S. has a much larger population.....spikes in Canada are still spikes no matter how hard you try to deny it. Let me check your death index....neck and neck with Peru, Switzerland, and Ecuador for Top Ten...yay ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The U.S. has a much larger population. You can compare per capital figures very easily. Edited June 18, 2020 by Boges Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Boges said: You can compare per capital figures very easily. It's per-capita, not capital. Also, Canada lags behind in testing. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The U.S. has a much larger population.....spikes in Canada are still spikes no matter how hard you try to deny it. Let me check your death index....neck and neck with Peru, Switzerland, and Ecuador for Top Ten...yay ! Adjusted for population Canada has the equivalent of 83,000 deaths. Hardly anything to brag about, especially when we only have a border with one country and our population density is so small. Quote
Boges Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: It's per-capita, not capital. Also, Canada lags behind in testing. Spelling Police? Sure, I'll give you testing. But does testing make up for 2 million cases when no other country is even close to a million? Canada is maybe 20,000 tests per billion behind the US. Does that make up for the 2:1 per capita positive rate? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Shady said: Adjusted for population Canada has the equivalent of 83,000 deaths. Hardly anything to brag about, especially when we only have a border with one country and our population density is so small. I know...but some of these folks are happy no matter how many Canadians are dying just as long as those damn 'muricans have more deaths per million. ...strange. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Shady said: especially when we only have a border with one country and our population density is so small. The one country with, by far the worst cases. The Border is closed, but trade still happens. And Canada's population is overwhelmingly centred around cities. Point out anywhere in Canada where there's currently a worrisome spike in cases? I will say, even with higher caseloads, death rate will continue to drop. Doctors know how to treat it. Quote
Boges Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: I know...but some of these folks are happy no matter how many Canadians are dying just as long as those damn 'muricans have more deaths per million. ...strange. I would have actually thought Canada would be above 100,000 cases and 10,000 deaths by now. But nope! Still under. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Posted June 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boges said: Sure, I'll give you testing. But does testing make up for 2 million cases when no other country is even close to a million? Canada is maybe 20,000 tests per billion behind the US. Does that make up for the 2:1 per capita positive rate? So you already admit that Canada lags behind many other nations in COVID testing but declare yourself an expert on "spikes" ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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