Panic, Ignorance, Shut Up Already

[Guest ProudConservative]

I'm serious.... Sometimes we need to remind the government, of where we draw the line.

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

Edward R. Murrow - “A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”

A great American, but a radical position from the Canadian point of view.

[Guest ProudConservative]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Jefferson wasn't Canadian.
/shrugs

Canadians are knee-jerk reactionaries against American freedom.

Canada has more freedom than the American's right now... We don't have the national guard, and just a handful of cops around.

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

Canada has more freedom than the American's right now...

A laughable assertion. Freedom from liberty, is not freedom, that's Orwellian bullshit.

Edited March 20, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

I'm serious.... Sometimes we need to remind the government, of where we draw the line.

While residing in Canada I am bound by solemn oath to resist Her Majesty's enemies & defend the Queen's Peace

Pretty sure we'd win with ease against any would be revolutionaries in this nanny state

Edited March 20, 2020 by Dougie93

[Guest ProudConservative]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

A great American, but a radical position from the Canadian point of view.

I believe in forcing Dentists to get licenses. I believe in forcing drivers to get a test... I believe in justified force, that's appropriate... Why I don't believe is Canadians rolling over, and opening the door for Tyranny.

[Guest ProudConservative]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

While residing in Canada I am bound by solemn oath to resist Her Majesty's enemies & defend the Queen's Peace

Pretty sure we'd win with ease against any would be revolutionaries in this nanny state

A nanny state is the government protecting you... Justin Trudeau has done the exact opposite.

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

I believe in forcing Dentists to get licenses. I believe in forcing drivers to get a test... I believe in justified force, that's appropriate... Why I don't believe is Canadians rolling over, and opening the door for Tyranny.

That's because you misguidedly project American values on Canadians who are knee-jerk Anti-Americans. Canadians widely support tyranny against such values, they are authoritarian, not libertarian.

Edited March 20, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Guest ProudConservative]

Here's where I stand... If someone is sick from Coronavirus, and want's to isolate in their home... the government has no right to drag them out of their home and put them into concentration camps. A person has the right to die with dignity, in their own home.

If someone trying to drag you out of your house, you give them a warning... and if they down't back down, you have every moral authority to use lethal force.

Edited March 20, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, ProudConservative said:

A nanny state is the government protecting you... Justin Trudeau has done the exact opposite.

But even as an American I only have a constitutional right to overthrow the American government.

[Dougie93]

Just now, ProudConservative said:

Here's where I stand... If someone is sick from Coronavirus, and want's to isolate in their home... the government has no right to drag the out of their home and put them into concentration camps.

If someone trying to drag you out of your house, you give them a warning... and then use lethal force.

Well I could win a gunfight against a mob of civilians but I wouldn't be able to beat the RCMP Emergency Response Team, so hard pass on that.

[Yzermandius19]

Confusing Canadians for libertarians who hate authoritarianism is a comical misreading of their values and attitudes.

[Guest ProudConservative]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Well I could win a gunfight against a mob of civilians but I wouldn't be able to beat the RCMP Emergency Response Team, so hard pass on that.

You still could take a few out, and send a message. If every Canadian did that, there would be no RCMP left.

[Guest ProudConservative]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Confusing Canadians for libertarians who hate authoritarianism is a comical misreading of their values and attitudes.

I am an authoritarian, within reason. I believe in forcing people to get drivers licenses.

[Guest ProudConservative]

I don't live in Toronto, so their is no reason why I can't venture off and go fishing... Especially since there's absolutely no one around.

Edited March 20, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Dougie93]

Just now, ProudConservative said:

You still could take a few out, and send a message. If every Canadian did that, there would be no RCMP left.

As I say, I have no right to overthrow the Canadian government, but also the RCMP are just troops like me, so I wouldn't fight them, other than with my lawyers in court

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

I am an authoritarian, within reason. I believe in forcing people to get drivers licenses.

And most Canadians are vastly more authoritarian than you are. They cling to government as their nanny state savior and despise liberty as an existential danger to their beloved nanny state. Thinking Canadians will stand up to tyranny is a laughable assertion as they openly embrace tyranny even during the best of times, but that is especially true during a situation like this.

Edited March 20, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Guest ProudConservative]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

As I say, I have no right to overthrow the Canadian government, but also the RCMP are just troops like me, so I wouldn't fight them, other than with my lawyers in court

So if they said... come with me.... withing forcing you to go on a quarantine camp... you wouldn't put up a fight? If you comply with that, you're setting up the precedent for tyranny. 

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, ProudConservative said:

So if they said... come with me.... withing forcing you to go on a quarantine camp... you wouldn't put up a fight? If you comply with that, you're setting up the precedent for tyranny. 

It's not tyranny when it is by Parliamentary Supremacy, because it's not arbitrary it's democratic

[Guest ProudConservative]

3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

And most Canadians are vastly more authoritarian than you are. They cling to government as their savior and despise liberty as an existential danger.

I would force the police to stop someone from shooting up heroine on the streets... and force them into rehab... if we had the program available... I don't mind some authoritarianism, for the greater good.

[Dougie93]

From an operational stand point, as an Infantry Reconnaissance Patrolman, with no prospect of prevailing in the face of overwhelming odds, that is in fact the point where you surrender

From there it becomes SERE

[Guest ProudConservative]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

It's not tyranny when it is by Parliamentary Supremacy, because it's not arbitrary it's democratic

Well I think a sick person with Coronavirus, has the right to stay in their own home. Government can't say... come with us... We can't trust you to stay home.

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

I would force the police to stop someone from shooting up heroine on the streets... and force them into rehab... if we had the program available... I don't mind some authoritarianism, for the greater good.

Most Canadians are like that on steroids. You hate freedom, and they hate freedom, they aren't going to oppose the nanny state if they demand they shelter in place and neither are you. You'll whine, virtue signal and blame Trudeau, but you aren't going to actually buck the rider, and neither will Canadians.

Edited March 20, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

Just now, ProudConservative said:

Well I think a sick person with Coronavirus, has the right to stay in their own home. Government can't say... come with us... We can't trust you to stay home.

Rights are only articulated by the constitution, so you don't have that right under those circumstances.

[Guest ProudConservative]

When the hospitals are overrun... Don't force people out of their homes... If they want to die in their own home let them... If you have some pain kills available... leave them at the doorstep. The home is the persons dignity.

Edited March 20, 2020 by ProudConservative