Is Trudeau a Fascist?

[WestCanMan]

He's been caught using undue influence on the AG to run the judicial branch of our government unilaterally even though he doesn't have any sort of law degree, he's trying to exert government control over social media, he's criminalizing different acts of free speech about government officials (even though he slanders other government officials constantly, when he knows that he's lying), he criminalized speaking about his own religion but he lets anti-Semitism run rampant without ever saying a word, he overtly blocked the SNC investigation, and he has showered money on favourable newz outlets which border on being propagandists while at the same time he has constantly denied non-sycophant news outlets access to even covering various electoral functions. The basic rule of thumb Re: media is that if you don't blow sunshine up his arse you are blacklisted.

If a fascist was to commit an ethics breach in this country or make new laws wouldn't they be acting a lot like Trudeau? 

1) How much of a fascist is this guy on a scale from 1-10?

2) What's the best argument that anyone can come up with that what he is doing is ok? 

IMO he checks every single one of the boxes for fascism, but he's not a 10/10 in any of the specific areas, yet. So 7.5/10.

You could make the point that he hasn't jailed anyone yet just for anything that they've said or written, so it's not full-blown fascism, but that's the best I could say in his defence.

[Dougie93]

Tyrannical and totalitarian is not fascist per se. 

Fascism prizes the masculine and military force above all, which disqualifies the Liberals.

The more apt analogy for the Liberals would be Bolsheviks : 'Majoritarians'

A totalitarian academic elite ruling tyrannically over the peasants in the countryside

 

Edited December 15, 2019 by Dougie93

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

2) What's the best argument that anyone can come up with that what he is doing is ok? 

Her brings the worst out of conservatives.

[Argus]

This is silly. He, like everyone on the Left, certainly has an authoritarian attitude when it comes to those who disagree with him since he's rock solid certain he's doing what is noble and good and righteous and wonderful. But there's nothing fascist about it.

[Dougie93]

You'll know you have fascist government when the number priority is to destroy labor unions ; the first of business for all fascists.

[Dougie93]

The second order of business would be to persecute leftist political undesirables, academics, intellectuals, feminists, gays, transgenders, non European immigrants etcetera.

Edited December 15, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

Next thing the fascists would do is decry internal threats to the state in order to justify unleashing the state security forces promiscuously

Environmentalists, Social Activists,  Indians, Muslims, Ethnic Gangs, what have you, by this rubric they would declare martial law and use military force internally.

This would have to coincide with a rapid expansion of the army, likely by way of the Militia.

The Liberals are currently trying to drive right wing elements out of the military, under the fascists the opposite would be the case.

Under the fascists, right wing extremist elements would be empowered and brought into the fold by state militarization.

Edited December 15, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

The fascists of course are anti-capitalist, so they would institute a massive public works program, infrastructure and military build up.

By these means they would employ large numbers of young white males while jettisoning other workers, in order to shore up their base.

Social programs would actually be expanded, but again, it would be targeted at their base at the expense of undesirables.

White males and their kin would be given preference and the green light to terrorize minorities at will.

Mobs of Fascsi would be at liberty to lash out at the opposition, the police would look the other way.

Where there was organized resistance, the army would be brought in to crush it, with tanks if necessary.

I would expect Universities to be a key point of resistance, the left would try to rally there, the fascists would respond with brute force.

Professors would be rounded up, students would be shot for resisting arrest, journalists would be disappeared, immigrants would be driven out.

Fascism is not subtle, there would be no question as to what was going on, it would be revolutionary, it would be violent, it would be in your face.

A state of emergency would be declared, parliament would be suspended, martial law would be imposed, curfews would be enforced by troops patrolling the streets.

Edited December 16, 2019 by Dougie93

[Moonlight Graham]

Justin and his father are Castro-lite.  Not as bad as the NDP though.  He's not in any way a fascist.

They're just smug self-righteous guys on ego power trips who think they know better than everyone else.  As for Trudeau and the AG, it shows he's a bully and a corrupt sellout.

[August1991]

7 hours ago, Argus said:

This is silly. He, like everyone on the Left, certainly has an authoritarian attitude when it comes to those who disagree with him since he's rock solid certain he's doing what is noble and good and righteous and wonderful. But there's nothing fascist about it.

Agree.

Pierre Trudeau was a meddler.

Justin Trudeau, like his mother, is foolish but ambitious.

[WestCanMan]

20 hours ago, Argus said:

 But there's nothing fascist about it.

There's everything fascist about it. Canada is not operating like a democracy with separate branches of power and freedom of speech.

There's no denying that the Trudeau government is clamping down severely on free speech, there's no denying that he tried to run the judiciary from the PMO, to the benefit of a company that's been caught bribing a Liberal Party member before.

I never said that we were an entirely fascist state, I just posed the question "is Trudeau a fascist?"

He operates like a fascist, not like a democratic PM. It's his MO.

[scribblet]

Not sure if this is the right thread, didn't want to start another one about Trudeau.   Would he call a snap election before the CPC can elect a new leader?

Manny Montenegrino just gave an interesting statement. Some of you may know him as Manny Ottawa whose account on Twitter is now suspended. 

When Harper was elected leader of CPC in February the Liberals called a snap election in June When Stockwell Day was elected Leader in sept 2000 the liberals called a snap election in November

Manny says the Liberals will present a budget in June or July that will deliberately be contentious to force a non confidence and force a snap election by design. They will be ready and hoping the CPC isn’t with a new leader. They will be using the word progressive to lure more NDP and Progressive Conservative votes

He says we need an experienced new leader to be able to enter a new election within a few months He thinks Pierre would make a good leader down the road. He says we will get no help from media. He says the only way to win the snap election is with Rona. She has the experience and the liberals can’t attack her as much as she was recruited by them to help with NAFTA. This is why Trudeau tried to take her out of the running by suggesting he offer an ambassador job. It makes sense if you think about it. History supports this

 

 

[WestCanMan]

On 12/15/2019 at 10:24 AM, Dougie93 said:

Tyrannical and totalitarian is not fascist per se. 

Fascism prizes the masculine and military force above all, which disqualifies the Liberals.

I guess that depends on what kind of fascist Trudeau is.

He's not really a Canadian fascist because he's a post-nationalist, so what he really considers his army to be is probably a mix of support UN soldiers and mobs like Antifa & BLM.

The Canadian military means nothing to him.

 

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I guess that depends on what kind of fascist Trudeau is.

He's not really a Canadian fascist because he's a post-nationalist, so what he really considers his army to be is probably a mix of support UN soldiers and mobs like Antifa & BLM.

The Canadian military means nothing to him.

 

Again, the analogy is  nonsensical, leftist totalitarians are Bolsheviks, the Fascists are their sworn enemies.

Edited December 16, 2019 by Dougie93

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Again, the analogy is  nonsensical, leftist totalitarians are Bolsheviks, the Fascists are their sworn enemies.

Isn't that just a Russian word? Are there any bolsheviks on earth outside of Russia?

 

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Isn't that just a Russian word? Are there any bolsheviks on earth outside of Russia?

 

Fascist is an Italian world, by your logic there are no Fascists outside of Italy.

Edited December 16, 2019 by Dougie93

[Argus]

5 hours ago, scribblet said:

Not sure if this is the right thread, didn't want to start another one about Trudeau.   Would he call a snap election before the CPC can elect a new leader?

I don't think their popularity has increased since the election. Nor is it likely to. Such a move would be seen as pretty rotten by most people. And the tories would just name a temporary leader, who is bound to do better than Scheer.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

Fascist is an Italian world, by your logic there are no Fascists outside of Italy.

Fascist is a word that's used widely used around the world, like zeitgeist or deja vu. I've never heard anyone called a bolshevik before, aside from Russians.

 

[Dougie93]

33 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Fascist is a word that's used widely used around the world, like zeitgeist or deja vu. I've never heard anyone called a bolshevik before, aside from Russians.

 

You're not that bright tho. I mean, you think the Liberals are Fascists, so you don't really know much about anything apparently.

[Dougie93]

Bolshevik simply means "Majoritarian"    The Majoritarian party rule.

A central tenet of the Bolshevik ideology was that the party members and their operatives knew best how society should be structured, and what ordinary people should be allowed to know and to think.

That is analogous to the Liberal Elites in Canada.   

The Liberals are Cultural Marxists.  The Liberals celebrate minority interests and equality,

The Liberals prize Multiculturalism, Peacekeeping, Foreign Aid, Multilateralism, Labour Unions, Feminism, Indigenous Peoples, etcetera.

This is all an anathema to Fascism, the polar opposite of Fascism.,

Fascism is the far right wing reactionary counter point to this sort of internationalist leftist Bolshevism.

Edited December 17, 2019 by Dougie93

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

You're not that bright tho. I mean, you think the Liberals are Fascists, so you don't really know much about anything apparently.

You're not bright if you think that anyone uses the word bolshevik for anyone outside of Russia. 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You're not bright if you think that anyone uses the word bolshevik for anyone outside of Russia. 

Says the manifest idiot who thinks Canadian Liberals are fascists. /shrugs

[Dougie93]

If you ever bother to do any research on the origin and nature of fascism, look up the definition of "analogous" while you're at it.

If there is an analogous totalitarian academic elite to the Liberal Elites in Canada, it is the Bolsheviks in Russia, not the Fasci di Combattimento in Italy.

 

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Says the manifest idiot who thinks Canadian Liberals are fascists. /shrugs

Grow up, or go out with your militia buddies and wait for the chaos ladder like a big boy. Either or. 
 

For your edification:
 

Fascists exert total control over the media. 
 

They have their protected, exalted group that can never be questioned and they have groups that can openly be denigrated and mocked. 
 

They illegally control the judicial system to the detriment of non-followers. 
 

They control elections. 
 

You can dither about “what groups the fascists denigrate and what groups they protect” and if you’re correct it’s just a trivia lesson because the vast majority of people just understand fascism to mean one thing. 
 

It’s like the intellectual snobbery of insisting that the word “ironic” doesn’t actually mean what almost every single person in North America thinks it means, including Alanis Morisette. 
 

Trudeau does exert un-democratic control over the media. He used $1.4 billion taxpayer dollars to buy the actual media and he is creating new laws to control what people say on social media. He says it’s to combat lying about political figures but he does that himself all tge time. 
 

Trudeau openly denigrates old-stock Canadians, our ancestors, westerners, construction workers and men in general all the time. But we’re not even allowed to tell the truth about his protected groups. 
 

Trudeau ran rough-shod over our judicial system and now he is blocking the investigation into that and our media treats that story like a cat in tree, rescued by firemen. It’s back-page news. 
 

Trudeau is trying to get non-Canadians to have the right to vote because he knows that gives him control of major population centers. Ie, control over elections. 
 

His ultimate goal is to be “The Man” at the UN. That’s his huge army that he dreams of. He doesn’t care about the Canadian military because he’s openly post-nationalist.
 

Just like a true fascist, like Hitler, Trudeau wants the world. He just has a different path to victory.
 

He’s the world’s biggest narcissist by far, and that’s no small achievement while Donald Trump is still walking the planet. 

[Dougie93]

None of that makes Justin Trudeau a fascist, that's just nonsensical ramblings.

Edited December 17, 2019 by Dougie93