WestCanMan Posted October 30, 2019 Report Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, eyeball said: I didn't think it would take long for the OP's ilk to denounce John Tory as a liberal lefty...and once you've gone that far you might as say he's Muslim too. Notice the OP didn't miss lumping them into the same howling mob as the left in his little rant. Ideology and politics are as binary to you people as sex. 1) Just because his name is Tory doesn't make him a Conservative. 2) Muslims aren't actually liberals, unless you call Saudi Arabia and Pakistan liberal. 3) Sex isn't binary, but gender is, naturally. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
scribblet Posted October 30, 2019 Report Posted October 30, 2019 https://quillette.com/2019/10/12/male-bodied-rapists-are-being-imprisoned-with-women-why-do-so-few-people-care/ This is from the U.K., haven’t found anything for Canada yet but have read elsewhere that 7/8 transgenders are violent offenders. Half of all transgender prisoners are sex offenders or dangerous category A inmates https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prisoners/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50214341 Everything wrong with transgender jackboot policy - "You can have an opinion, but only if it agrees with ours. Otherwise, it is hate speech and you won't be allowed to talk about it." 1 Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
WestCanMan Posted October 30, 2019 Report Posted October 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, scribblet said: https://thetexan.news/breaking-dallas-jury-grants-mother-sole-custody-of-purported-transgender-child/ I think this was changed to give the father a voice in his health care. The world has gone mad, especially when it comes to children and forcing them at age 3 to believe they are something else. Sex is binary, with the exception of a few who do have gender dysphoria, but even so, they are free to live as they wish but accepting anyone who identifies as female leads to obvious issues. Chromosomes determine if you are female or male not your plastic surgeon. So, a transgender 6’ 5” trans. Person wins and is named female athlete of the year edging out eight other actual females for the title.. How is that fair as girls are losing more races and scholarships. https://www.westernjournal.com/transgender-runner-wins-ncaa-conferences-female-athlete-week/ This whole thing about parents giving their kids the right to choose is fine for them if that's what they want to do their kids. In some places (for example Ont here: https://www.todaysparent.com/kids/school-age/young-children-need-to-learn-gender-identity/ ) there's a big debate about how and when the school board should take over the topic of gender bending. The fact that they want to talk about it is fine, but they'll need my permission to talk to my kid about it and the answer is already no. (I also told him that if they want to talk to him about human-induced climate change he gets the day off school. YAY!) The state can teach my kid math and physics all day but they're not allowed to force feed my kid their opinions like he's some Berkelchurian Candidate. 3 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
scribblet Posted October 30, 2019 Report Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: This whole thing about parents giving their kids the right to choose is fine for them if that's what they want to do their kids. In some places (for example Ont here: https://www.todaysparent.com/kids/school-age/young-children-need-to-learn-gender-identity/ ) there's a big debate about how and when the school board should take over the topic of gender bending. The fact that they want to talk about it is fine, but they'll need my permission to talk to my kid about it and the answer is already no. (I also told him that if they want to talk to him about human-induced climate change he gets the day off school. YAY!) The state can teach my kid math and physics all day but they're not allowed to force feed my kid their opinions like he's some Berkelchurian Candidate. The right to choose is fine at an appropriate age, but it is not fine to force a 3 or 7 year old to identify as something else, or to undergo chemical treatments, that is child abuse. The transition includes puberty suppression, administration of cross-sex hormones, and ultimately surgical removal of reproductive organs and can certainly affect his health down the line. How…. Just how….. Edited October 30, 2019 by scribblet Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Argus Posted October 30, 2019 Author Report Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Shady said: John Tory is a complete embarrassment. On one hand he says he believes in free speech. But then completely contradicts himself by saying he doesn’t think this particular speaker should be allowed to speak. He either has absolutely no spine, or he fundamentally doesn’t understand the concept and value of free speech. John Tory was an idiot who lost an election the PCs should have won by offering up government funding for religious schools with little or no supervision, even if they taught creationism or whatever their religion believed. I have always pointed to that election as the epitome of Liberal hypocrisy, as they basically ran a giant fear campaign that funding religious schools would lead to schools for Muslim terrorists. It was a total fear campaign, and it worked. Edited October 30, 2019 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 2 hours ago, WestCanMan said: I personally object to the notion that anything righties ever say is wrong, but I'll humour you. What are some examples of things which awesome righties mistakenly blame on lame lefties? It's when stupid righties associate a handful of lame lefties with millions if not billions of normal lefties around the world that's at issue. Problem being there's little to no recognition of what a normal lefty is and to your ilk they're all lame. You see the same thing when trying to point out normal Muslims to you people - there simply are none in your stupid universe. Quote There are bars where you can sort things out in the washrooms if that's your thing. I'll have to take you on your word for that. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCanMan Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 4 hours ago, scribblet said: The right to choose is fine at an appropriate age, but it is not fine to force a 3 or 7 year old to identify as something else, or to undergo chemical treatments, that is child abuse. The transition includes puberty suppression, administration of cross-sex hormones, and ultimately surgical removal of reproductive organs and can certainly affect his health down the line. How…. Just how….. Exactly. And at 7, 8, 9.... not all kids know what they're going to want once they reach puberty. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
WestCanMan Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 3 hours ago, eyeball said: It's when stupid righties associate a handful of lame lefties with millions if not billions of normal lefties around the world that's at issue. Problem being there's little to no recognition of what a normal lefty is and to your ilk they're all lame. You see the same thing when trying to point out normal Muslims to you people - there simply are none in your stupid universe. Almost everyone who has a speaking gig at CNN is a stone cold moron, and I'm pretty sure that they do speak for the left. Forgive me for considering CNN and CBC talking points to be representative of liberal opinions. Don't try and tell me what I think about muslims eyeball, you're just not on the level where you truly understand anything. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Moonlight Graham Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 9 hours ago, dialamah said: The right says offensive things, and when people object, they whine about how they are being censored. Buncha snowflakes. If you express a stupid, unkind or outright cruel opinion and you get called out on it, that's just as much "free speech" as you expressing your opinion in the first place. Getting upset over opinions you find offensive is fine, you're right that's free speech too. It becomes something more sinister when the offended mob tries to shut down that speech, especially via illegitimate means like threats, nonstop shouting, pulling fire alarms, vandalism, violence etc. People have freedom of speech, of peaceful assembly, of association, and to peaceful protest. Quote Gender is not binary, penis = male, vagina = female is not a scientific fact, no matter how many people think it is. You just described biological sex, not gender. But you're right. But sex also isn't changeable, while gender is. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
eyeball Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 3 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Almost everyone who has a speaking gig at CNN is a stone cold moron, and I'm pretty sure that they do speak for the left. Forgive me for considering CNN and CBC talking points to be representative of liberal opinions. Huh? Quote Don't try and tell me what I think about muslims eyeball The OP did that not me. Quote you're just not on the level where you truly understand anything. Huh? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Yzermandius19 Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) Handful of lame leftists? It's more than a handful, and those on the left who are unwilling to call them out on their lameness just goes to show they are either scared to call them out because they'll get called an alt-right nazi white supremacist if they do, or they don't want to call them out because they agree with them but don't want to admit it because they'll be exposed as undercover hacks feigning non-partisanship. Hell, even Obama is calling them out at this point, that's how bad it's gotten. Obama helping pave the way for woke cancel culture, exploiting it, and only now calling it out now, is pretty funny and obvious hypocrisy. But better late than never. But what's taking you so long eyeball? Even Obama beat you to punch, step your game up. Edited October 31, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
dialamah Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 10 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Exactly. And at 7, 8, 9.... not all kids know what they're going to want once they reach puberty. Kids have a pretty good idea if they "feel" like a girl or a boy well before puberty. From Mayo clinic. "Most children typically develop the ability to recognize and label stereotypical gender groups, such as girl, woman and feminine, and boy, man and masculine, between ages 18 and 24 months. Most also categorize their own gender by age 3 years. However, because gender stereotypes are reinforced, some children learn to behave in ways that bring them the most reward, despite their authentic gender identity. At ages 5 to 6 years, most children are rigid about gender stereotypes and preferences. These feelings typically become more flexible with age." Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, dialamah said: Kids have a pretty good idea if they "feel" like a girl or a boy well before puberty. From Mayo clinic. "Most children typically develop the ability to recognize and label stereotypical gender groups, such as girl, woman and feminine, and boy, man and masculine, between ages 18 and 24 months. Most also categorize their own gender by age 3 years. However, because gender stereotypes are reinforced, some children learn to behave in ways that bring them the most reward, despite their authentic gender identity. At ages 5 to 6 years, most children are rigid about gender stereotypes and preferences. These feelings typically become more flexible with age." Plenty of kids outgrow that feeling, and yet you are advocating for permanent changes to their development because of a feeling that might not stick. Even if most kids won't change their minds, plenty do, and the "solution" causes permanent change that can't be undone, so maybe that "solution" isn't very good. If they are going to transition, it's better to wait until they are an adult, kids go through phases, anyone who wants to act like gender identity issues are never a phase ever, are clearly denying reality. Edited October 31, 2019 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote
dialamah Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 37 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Plenty of kids outgrow that feeling, and yet you are advocating for permanent changes to their development because of a feeling that might not stick. Where am I advocating for changes in preschoolers, exactly? I'm only pointing out that gender self-identification happens much sooner than people think. 38 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: If they are going to transition, it's better to wait until they are an adult, I agree with this, surgery should not be an option prior to adulthood. I would also support younger people living their gender identification, including using bathrooms and changerooms. The "(male) perverts will use it to victimize girls/women" isn't an effective argument against because perverts can already do that. If a man wants to enter female only facilities dressed as a women, to spy on females, there's nothing stopping him now. Makeup, prosthetics and clothing would make him virtually invisible. Anyway, cameras in peepholes provide much better views and more safety, though they lack that certain personal touch, I suppose. Also, why is nobody ever concerned with female perverts victimizing boys and men? Or even same-sex victimization in washrooms and changerooms? It's because the argument "perverts will victimize girls/women" is designed to elicit emotion, not thought, since we are culturally conditioned to protect girls and women over boys and men. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) Why should a large group of people be made to feel uncomfortable in the bathrooms and changerooms, just to make 0.2% of the population feel more comfortable in them? Doing more harm than good in the name of "compassion" for the fail, clear example of half baked thinking. The status quo utilitarian system works far better, if it ain't broke don't "fix it" by replacing it a system that is broken and is as far from utilitarian as it pretty much gets. Edited October 31, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
dialamah Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Why should a large group of people be made to feel uncomfortable in the bathrooms and changerooms, just to make 0.2% of the population feel more comfortable in them? Doing more harm than good in the name of "compassion" for the fail, clear example of half baked thinking. I guess compassion would inspire people to make a minority feel accepted. When I'm in a public washroom, I don't see anyone's genitals and have no idea how the person in the next stall is built, so how am I made uncomfortable? I understand male washrooms have urinals, so some display is normal. But they also have stalls which can be used for those desiring more privacy - so again, there's no way of knowing how that person in the stall is built. The discomfort is at the idea that a person in the next stall might not have exactly the same genitalia, not on any certain knowledge or exposure; this discomfort is solely the vestiges of Abrahamic belief systems that have told us for millennia that women need to be segregated from men, because men cannot control their sexual urges. Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 8 hours ago, eyeball said: Huh? The OP did that not me. Huh? Two “huhs” out of 8 words.... /case Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Yzermandius19 Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, dialamah said: I guess compassion would inspire people to make a minority feel accepted. When I'm in a public washroom, I don't see anyone's genitals and have no idea how the person in the next stall is built, so how am I made uncomfortable? I understand male washrooms have urinals, so some display is normal. But they also have stalls which can be used for those desiring more privacy - so again, there's no way of knowing how that person in the stall is built. The discomfort is at the idea that a person in the next stall might not have exactly the same genitalia, not on any certain knowledge or exposure; this discomfort is solely the vestiges of Abrahamic belief systems that have told us for millennia that women need to be segregated from men, because men cannot control their sexual urges. The majority is not responsible for the minority not feeling accepted in this instance. It's all in their heads, they have a persecution complex, regardless of how accommodating people are to them, they will simply move the goalposts and demand more special privileges or else you're "transphobic". No one is entitled to being accepted, that is not a privilege anyone of any sex enjoys, and just because the tranny's aren't granted a special privilege no one else has, that doesn't mean the majority is out to get them, it means they are being treated like everyone else and they can't handle it, so they are just demanding special treatment, like they are better than everyone else and should be treated as such. They don't want equality, or they wouldn't demand special treatment, and cry "inequality" if you don't support them getting that special treatment. They are just trying to guilt you into caving to their needy behavior. Stop projecting how you feel onto how everyone else should feel, and if they don't, it's just because of a lack of compassion. Edited October 31, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, dialamah said: Kids have a pretty good idea if they "feel" like a girl or a boy well before puberty. From Mayo clinic. "Most also categorize their own gender by age 3 years." Did you align your son’s entire life so that he had to be a cowboy when he grew up, just because that’s what he said when he was 3? Did you start to make irreversible decisions at that point which excluded him from all else? Did you pull him out of school and teach him how to catch greased pigs and get him to do mutton bustin’ five days a week so that his only choice was to be a cowboy, based on his assertion that he wanted to be a cowboy when he was 3? I really hope not, because if you did then that was just extreme stupidity on your part. Kids get all sorts of crazy ideas when they’re three. You don’t take a scalpel to their genitalia or start giving them hormone therapy when they’re three years old. Their life opinions at that age mean absolutely nothing. Edited October 31, 2019 by WestCanMan Spelling error 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
dialamah Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Did you align your son’s entire life so that he had to be a cowboy when he grew up, just because that’s what he said when he was 3? So, a kid declaring he wants to be a cowboy at 3 is quite a bit different than a boy who, at 3, insists he's a girl, has tantrums because he can't wear girl clothes, chooses "girl" activities and toys over "boy" activities and toys. Nowhere did I say anyone should force a kid in any particular choices. The entire point was that kids self-determine their gender well before puberty and many of them succumb to pressure to be the boy or girl their parents/society recognize them as based on whether or not they have a penis, and regardless of how they feel inside. The rest of your post is just you arguing against something you made up about me. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, dialamah said: So, a kid declaring he wants to be a cowboy at 3 is quite a bit different than a boy who, at 3, insists he's a girl, has tantrums because he can't wear girl clothes, chooses "girl" activities and toys over "boy" activities and toys. Nowhere did I say anyone should force a kid in any particular choices. The entire point was that kids self-determine their gender well before puberty and many of them succumb to pressure to be the boy or girl their parents/society recognize them as based on whether or not they have a penis, and regardless of how they feel inside. The rest of your post is just you arguing against something you made up about me. If a white kid insists he's black, has tantrums because his skin is white, are the parents just to support "their choice" too and pretend he's transracial? Sometimes the kid should not be supported to make choices that clearly fly in the face of reality. The kid feeling something strongly doesn't make them correct, or make it a good idea to support their delusions. Kids grow out of things all the time, pretending they are capable of making a choice as important of what gender they will "feel" like for the rest of their life from an early age makes no sense whatsoever. Edited October 31, 2019 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote
eyeball Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 41 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Two “huhs” out of 8 words.... /case Huh is a pretty logical response to the sort of incomprehensible nonsense that stems from your bizarre obsession with media conspiracies, you drag it into every single topic you discuss without fail. Its an insensibility that is beyond ridiculous. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Yzermandius19 Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 Just now, eyeball said: Huh is a pretty logical response to the sort of incomprehensible nonsense that stems from your bizarre obsession with media conspiracies, you drag it into every single topic you discuss without fail. Its an insensibility that is beyond ridiculous. Your inability to grasp the big picture leads to silly analysis of other poster's positions. You have to be hand held through things that are obviously connected and even then you never get it after it's explained to you. 1 Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 41 minutes ago, dialamah said: So, a kid declaring he wants to be a cowboy at 3 is quite a bit different than a boy who, at 3, insists he's a girl, has tantrums because he can't wear girl clothes, chooses "girl" activities and toys over "boy" activities and toys. Nowhere did I say anyone should force a kid in any particular choices. The entire point was that kids self-determine their gender well before puberty and many of them succumb to pressure to be the boy or girl their parents/society recognize them as based on whether or not they have a penis, and regardless of how they feel inside. The rest of your post is just you arguing against something you made up about me. Wrong. You just don't understand the similarity between railroading your child towards a whimsical profession and railroading them towards a sex change. Quote has tantrums because he can't wear girl clothes, chooses "girl" activities and toys over "boy" activities and toys. Are there such things as "girl" or "boy" activities? Answer carefully. Quote The entire point was that kids self-determine their gender well before puberty and many of them succumb to pressure to be the boy or girl their parents/society recognize them as based on whether or not they have a penis, and regardless of how they feel inside. Adult-level decisions made by 3 yr olds and 8 yr olds. What could go wrong? Are you for real? I've known people who were entirely adamant that they didn't want kids when they were in their early 20's who did a total 180 at 30. Changing gender in grade 3 is making that exact choice 12 years earlier. If they still want to change at 18 they can still do it. A boy-> girl switch might end up looking like Serena Williams instead of Halle Berry but whatever. Serena is happy to be Serena. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
WestCanMan Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 15 minutes ago, eyeball said: Huh is a pretty logical response to the sort of incomprehensible nonsense that stems from your bizarre obsession with media conspiracies, you drag it into every single topic you discuss without fail. Its an insensibility that is beyond ridiculous. Huh is your response to things that you just don't understand. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
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