The Mob of Ignorance.

Marocc · January 30, 2020

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Over here it's down to basically nothing,

Have I got something for you.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/how-canadas-sex-assault-laws-violate-rape-victims/article14705289/

Marocc · January 30, 2020

Most statistics don't sperarate cases of rape by a partner, former partner and rape by a(n) (near) aquintance. Also, most rapes within marriage seem to go unreported, which only makes sense. This is what I could come up with now.

https://www.acesdv.org/about-sexual-domestic-violence/sexual-violence-myths-misconceptions/

"MYTH: Most sexual assaults are committed by strangers. It’s not rape if the people involved knew each other. FACT: Most sexual assaults and rapes are committed by someone the victim knows. Among victims aged 18 to 29, two-thirds had a prior relationship with the offender.

MYTH: Most sexual assaults occur between strangers. FACT: Most sexual assaults are committed by someone the victim knows: a neighbor, friend, acquaintance, co-worker, classmate, spouse, partner or ex-partner. Studies show that approximately 80% of women reporting sexual assaults knew their assailant."

http://www.thisisnotaninvitationtorapeme.co.uk/

What percentage of rapes are carried out by partners or former partners? Correct! The answer is 54%

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1889186115000244

(The above site lists a lot of misconceptions about rapes and statistics of the realities. Additionally it points out the many negative consequences of those misconceptions.)

"the majority of reported rape offences (280 cases, 70.7%) were committed by people known to the victim (e.g., domestic and acquaintance rapes)"

dialamah · January 30, 2020

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

That's quite the claim. Cite required.

You don't know that most women and children are sexually assaulted/raped by people they know, including family members? Stranger rape is less common, though not rare. I'm honestly surprised that you wouldn't know this.

8 out of 10 victims know their rapists.

scribblet · January 30, 2020

Not in Rotherham or other areas in UK where women were raped and assaulted on a regular basis.

dialamah · January 30, 2020

7 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Not in Rotherham or other areas in UK where women were raped and assaulted on a regular basis.

I assume you have statistics from a reliable source for that claim, but simply forgot to include it.

Marocc · January 30, 2020

23 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I'm honestly surprised that you wouldn't know this.

I was surprised by the objections too. Thought I was stating something too obvious.

scribblet · January 30, 2020

21 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I assume you have statistics from a reliable source for that claim, but simply forgot to include it.

Seriously, you need more links to Pakistani rape gangs operating in the U.K.

Goddess · January 30, 2020

35 minutes ago, dialamah said:

You don't know that most women and children are sexually assaulted/raped by people they know, including family members? Stranger rape is less common, though not rare. I'm honestly surprised that you wouldn't know this.

8 out of 10 victims know their rapists.

From your article:

19.5% of rapes are committed by strangers

39% by acquaintances

I assume Date Rape would be included in the "acquaintances"

That's 58.5% of rapes NOT committed in a relationship or marriage. So according to your own information, this statement is not true:

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I have to also inform you that the majority of all rapes happen within a relationship or a marriage.

Argus · January 30, 2020

I'm struggling to comprehend what the ardent defenders of Islam are trying to establish with all this stuff about rape. There is simply no argument that women who are sexually harassed/assaulted in Western countries are fantastically better served by government agencies and public/social views than in Islamic countries. The former face incredible danger if they even dare to report their rape - from their own families. They could be shunned or even killed for damaging the family's honor. Their claims are unlikely to be taken seriously by the authorities, and they're likely to have to face harsh interviewing from men untrained in sexual assault investigations. That's presuming their country doesn't operate on the Islamic rule which says that in law a woman's worth is only one quarter that of a man's. If that's the case then her word means essentially nothing unless she can find male witnesses to the rape willing to testify. I recall the teenage girl in Iran who got pregnant after her uncle raped her. She told this to the authorities, but since her word was only one quarter his all they did was treat it as a confession that she had sex with her uncle - a married man - and promptly executed her. Oh, it was rape? Says who? Sorry, no male witnesses? Then death to you.

If anything, the insistence on trying to, by torturous logic, insinuate that sexual assault on women is in any way treated equivalent to that in Muslim countries, or that we even know the rate in Muslim countries, is evidence of the deep-seated fanaticism of the Left which I mentioned in the opening post. They simply cannot bring themselves to accept any criticism of Islam or Islamic countries because the 'religion' of the Left has come to be anti-racism, and they see any and all criticism of minority identity groups as racist. The fact that Muslims are not at all a minority in the world is irrelevant to them. They're a minority here, and therefore any criticism of the culture or values of the world's 1.5 billion Muslims has to be fought. Their thinking goes no deeper than this.

Which is what you typically see in religious fanatics.

dialamah · January 30, 2020

3 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Seriously, you need more links to Pakistani rape gangs operating in the U.K.

Statista says there were 54,000 rapes reported in the UK/Wales in 2018 to 2019. You claim most of these were "stranger rapes"; where is your proof?

Implying that these "stranger rapes" were carried out by "Pakistani rape gangs" needs more proof. Especially since grooming girls may also include raping them, they'd be included in the category of "acquaintance rape" and not "stranger rape".

So, where is your proof? Or did you just knee-jerk a contrary opinion without thinking about it?

scribblet · January 30, 2020

7 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Statista says there were 54,000 rapes reported in the UK/Wales in 2018 to 2019. You claim most of these were "stranger rapes"; where is your proof?

Implying that these "stranger rapes" were carried out by "Pakistani rape gangs" needs more proof. Especially since grooming girls may also include raping them, they'd be included in the category of "acquaintance rape" and not "stranger rape".

So, where is your proof? Or did you just knee-jerk a contrary opinion without thinking about it?

I guess you never read the numerous links posted in the Islam thread, or maybe you just like to ignore what is happening.

https://theconversation.com/asian-grooming-gangs-how-ethnicity-made-authorities-wary-of-investigating-child-sexual-abuse-130099

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-chief-we-ignored-sex-abuse-of-children-hgrhc358v

A senior police officer admitted that his force ignored the sexual abuse of girls by Pakistani grooming gangs for decades because it was afraid of increasing “racial tensions”, a watchdog has ruled.

https://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/download/31/independent-inquiry-into-child-sexual-exploitation-in-rotherham-1997---2013

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-43126804

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/14/police-officers-knowingly-neglected-girls-exploited-grooming/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/werent-saved-whistleblowers-silenced-trying-12170716

https://www.economist.com/britain/2018/10/27/is-grooming-children-for-sex-a-disproportionately-asian-crime

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/maajid-nawaz/accuses-caller-denial-asian-grooming-gangs/

scribblet · January 30, 2020

The sexual abuse of non-Muslim girls in the UK by Muslim men continues on an industrial scale and btw, Asian is a euphemism for Muslim and grooming is a euphemism for rape. All part of the giant cover up now exposed.

Another group of grooming gang rapists operating in Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, have been convicted at Leeds Crown Court.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4775164/Police-paid-child-rapist-10k-spy-sex-parties.html

this is 2017, there have been more since then

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/839509/Britain-towns-cities-asian-grooming-gangs-Newcastle-Rochdale-Rotherham

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grooming-gangs-uk-britain-newcastle-serious-case-review-operation-sanctuary-shelter-muslim-asian-a8225106.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/09/grooming-gangs-muslim-men-failed-integrate-british-society/

Edited January 30, 2020 by scribblet

WestCanMan · January 30, 2020

1 hour ago, Marocc said:

Have I got something for you.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/how-canadas-sex-assault-laws-violate-rape-victims/article14705289/

So? there are 40,000,000 people in Canada.

Find the stat for the number of women raped for not wearing a hijab in Pakistan or Afghanistan.

Guess what? There isn't one for two reasons:

1) no sense in reporting it because you'll just get laughed at

2) no one is dumb enough to walk around in those countries without one. A personal acquaintance who lived in Afghanistan told me that where the Taliban are in control you can't even have your windows open if there's a woman not in a hijab.

scribblet · January 30, 2020

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

So? there are 40,000,000 people in Canada.

Find the stat for the number of women raped for not wearing a hijab in Pakistan or Afghanistan.

Guess what? There isn't one for two reasons:.....

Pretty hard to make a charge of rape in a Muslim country because it requires the testimony of four male eyewitnesses, one of the reasons why rape happens in Islamic countries.

There is a directive of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government in Pakistan that schoolgirls cover up in order to prevent “unethical incidents” which is also similar to Iran’s Ayatollah Khamenei who said n 2018 that Islam holds the answer to the problems of sexual mistreatment of women in Western societies.

If women were to wear the hijab, he argued, they would be spared such depraved behavior.

dialamah · January 30, 2020

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

I'm anti-misogyny and anti-rape no matter where it is found. I don't give Islam a pass just because it's a religion.

Nobody here gives Islam a pass for rape and misogyny; that's just a strawman thrown up by bigots when they are called out on their bigotry.

DogOnPorch · January 30, 2020

Just now, dialamah said:

Nobody here gives Islam a pass for rape and misogyny; that's just a strawman thrown up by bigots when they are called out on their bigotry.

You're Islam's defender. The Quran has wife beating as part of Islam's teachings.

Beat your wife...happy life.

scribblet · January 30, 2020

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

Nobody here gives Islam a pass for rape and misogyny; that's just a strawman thrown up by bigots when they are called out on their bigotry.

So all your deflections about rapes etc. are not really meant to give Islam a pass... it sure sounds that way.

Goddess · January 30, 2020

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

Nobody here gives Islam a pass for rape and misogyny; that's just a strawman thrown up by bigots when they are called out on their bigotry.

You give Islam a pass with statements like you and Jacee make - that rape and the consequences of rape are the same in both societies and imply that Western society is just as bad. They are not. They are vastly different

dialamah · January 30, 2020

13 minutes ago, scribblet said:

So all your deflections about rapes etc. are not really meant to give Islam a pass... it sure sounds that way.

Some people on this thread are essentially claiming that Muslims are rapists and are using questionnable sources, sensationalist media stories and flawed logic to support their claim.

That's the bigotry.

Challenging questionnable sources, sensationalized media stories and flawed logic is not the same as saying its ok for Muslims to rape. Rape is a crime in Islam and in Islamic countries - so nobody thinks rape is ok.

Issues around the enforcing of laws, believing women, catching rapists and who rapes and why are universal. Debate around whats rape and what isn't is ongoing, even in Western countries.

I agree that women in Canada/US/etc are more likely to get a fair hearing and their rapist punished than women in Islamic (or any third world) countries, but there's no guarantee even here that it will happen.

Claiming that Muslim men are so much likely to rape than non-Muslims and that Western women are at increased risk from Muslim men is no different than the Nazi's claiming that Jews would rape German girls or Americans claiming that Blacks would rape White girls. Its just propaganda.

Marocc · January 30, 2020

42 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Guess what? There isn't one for two reasons:

You're sidestepping the point.

59 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

A personal acquaintance who lived in Afghanistan told me that where the Taliban are in control you can't even have your windows open if there's a woman not in a hijab.

Muslim women who take care to cover themselves outside, do not go by the windows without covering either if there is a chance someone will be able to see them. This is reasonable and common sense. It has nothing to do with the Taliban.

dialamah · January 30, 2020

44 minutes ago, Goddess said:

You give Islam a pass with statements like you and Jacee make - that rape and the consequences of rape are the same in both societies and imply that Western society is just as bad. They are not. They are vastly different

I very specifically noted that the "consequences" for rape are different between Islamic/third world countries when I said this:

I agree that women in Canada/US/etc are more likely to get a fair hearing and their rapist punished than women in Islamic (or any third world) countries

Why do you lie about what I post?

Goddess · January 30, 2020

25 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Some people on this thread are essentially claiming that Muslims are rapists

:rolleyes:

Goddess · January 31, 2020

17 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Why do you lie about what I post?

Why don't you address the lie you told above about the majority of rape being between relationships and marriages? Better yet, don't bother. The way you twist things is pathological.

Goddess · January 31, 2020

24 minutes ago, Marocc said:

Muslim women who take care to cover themselves outside, do not go by the windows without covering either if there is a chance someone will be able to see them. This is reasonable and common sense. It has nothing to do with the Taliban.

Ya, we know. That's why a whole bunch of young girls were allowed to burn to death - because they couldn't be rescued without their hijabs on.

I think you and I have very different ideas on what is "reasonable and common sense."

Edited January 31, 2020 by Goddess

Marocc · January 31, 2020

36 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Why don't you address the lie you told above about the majority of rape being between relationships and marriages?

That was me and I don't consider it false because of one source that says different as my previous comment was also based on statistics and most statistics don't make any claim about it. What does your common sense tell you about the likeliness of people raped within marriage or relationship actually ever reporting it? In fact they frequently don't acknowledge it to be a rape at all.

@Dialamah didn't even affirm what I said as such, but added other aquintances to the rapes within marriages and relationships.

Nevertheless, people who talk so much about rape should have more understanding of sexual violence in the real world.