"Barack Obama Endorses Justin Trudeau’s Liberals For Re-Election"

[Moonlight Graham]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It's not a questions of "let", America doesn't care, America doesn't even notice,  America doesn't demand anything from Canada because Americans never think about it.

It's crippling to Canada, it doesn't effect America.

I'm Canadian, i don't care what America thinks or doesn't think about Canada, including Obama.  But yes many others do care.  Whatevs.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I'm Canadian, i don't care what America thinks or doesn't think about Canada, including Obama.  But yes many others do care.  Whatevs.

You are a knee jerk Canadian Whataboutist, just like the rest, anybody says anything about Canada, first thing out of your mouth is; Whatabout America?

Canada is crippled by an obsession with America, Canadians who say they aren't are lying

But it's not a two way street, America doesn't even notice, America is obsessed with America too.

Edited October 18, 2019 by Dougie93

[Moonlight Graham]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

You are a knee jerk Canadian Whataboutist, just like the rest, anybody says anything about Canada, first thing out of your mouth is; Whatabout America?

Canada is crippled by an obsession with America, Canadians who say they aren't are lying

But it's not a two way street, America doesn't even notice, America is obsessed with America too.

I say America to you because you think America is amazing and Canada is shit.  I personally like America, imperfect as it is.

Of course we're going to pay attention to America.  We have the global hegemon on our doorstep and consume all of its media and products.  You're right they don't care about us, who cares.

[Dougie93]

Just now, Moonlight Graham said:

I say America to you because you think America is amazing and Canada is shit.  I personally like America, imperfect as it is.

Of course we're going to pay attention to America.  We have the global hegemon on our doorstep and consume all of its media and products.  You're right they don't care about us, who cares.

I think many parts of America are shit, I hate Blue States just as much as I hate Canada, Blue States are just wannabe Canada's.

I am only loyal to the Constitution of the Republic of the United States of America, and certain states therein. 

Just like most Americans, the states I hate, I hate with a passion.

[Dougie93]

The ethos of America is states rights, you don't have to love all the states and you don't have to love Washington.

You just pick a state that's right for you, then hate on everybody else, it's the American religion.

[Cannucklehead]

6 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I say America to you because you think America is amazing and Canada is shit.  I personally like America, imperfect as it is.

Of course we're going to pay attention to America.  We have the global hegemon on our doorstep and consume all of its media and products.  You're right they don't care about us, who cares.

I like the idea of america.  It was truly one of the greatest political inventions in the history of mankind.  The problem is that the idea of america is not america.  Hasn't been since the Lincoln era.  

[Dougie93]

The downfall of Canada is everything has to be run through Ottawa and Ottawa is a cancer which cripples the country.

The only way to save the Canada's, is to blow Canada up so Canadians can have states rights and run things for themselves instead of for Ottawa.

And there were Canadians who opposed Confederation from the start, right in 1867, because they said that this was going to be the problem.

There were Canadians saying Confederation was going to turn into an overweening Emperor with no clothes, and they were right.

Edited October 18, 2019 by Dougie93

[Cannucklehead]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The downfall of Canada is everything has to be run through Ottawa and Ottawa is a cancer which cripples the country.

The only way to save the Canada's, is to blow Canada up so Canadians can have states rights and run things for themselves instead of for Ottawa.

Not everything is run through ottawa.  

Federal laws, also known as federal acts, are laws passed by the Parliament of Canada that regulate or control something under the constitutional authority of Canada’s national government, such as national security, the military, currency, airports, and any business or industry that operates nation-wide or internationally. Provincial laws (or acts) are laws passed by Canada’s 10 provincial governmentsto regulate or control matters under provincial constitutional authority, which includes property rights, natural resources, education, social services, housing, health law, and family law. Municipal or city governments can pass laws too, sometimes called bylaws, that regulate minor matters like garbage collection or pet licenses. 

[Dougie93]

Just now, Cannucklehead said:

Not everything is run through ottawa.

 

Yeah, sure, whatever, keep telling yourself that lie, they collect the taxes, they decide the distribution, they make the criminal law, they control all the levers.

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The downfall of Canada is everything has to be run through Ottawa and Ottawa is a cancer which cripples the country.

The only way to save the Canada's, is to blow Canada up so Canadians can have states rights and run things for themselves instead of for Ottawa.

And there were Canadians who opposed Confederation from the start, right in 1867, because they said that this was going to be the problem.

 

Canada was formed BECAUSE of the United States. More specifically, the Union victory in 1865. A lot of folks were starting to look around and wonder who to straighten-out next...the Indians or the British...or perhaps both at the same time.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Canada was formed BECAUSE of the United States. More specifically, the Union victory in 1865. A lot of folks were starting to look around and wonder who to straighten-out next...the Indians or the British...or perhaps both at the same time.

Indeed, Canada was a shotgun marriage made in the panic in the wake of the Fenian Raids.

BUT, it wasn't Canadians who were panicked.   It was London who was panicked.  London was panicked about having to defend Canada.

So London basically kicked Canada out of the British Empire and told Canadians to fend for themselves, which, at the time, many Canadians did not want.

That's why they charged into the Boer War and the Great War so eagerly, Canada had been shunned by Britain, Canadians were trying to prove how British they were in reaction to that.

[Cannucklehead]

Not entirely true:

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/confederation

According to historian P.B. Waite, “Confederation appeared in Canada in fits and starts.” The union of British North American colonies was an idea Lord Durham discussed in his 1839 Report on the Affairs of British North America. The Durham Report, as it came to be known, called for the union of Upper and Lower Canada, which was achieved in 1841 (seeAct of Union).

In 1849, in response to a movement advocating Canada’s annexation to the United States (see Annexation Association), the British American League, a Tory association, called for a study of the creation of a union of British North American colonies. Union was discussed in the legislature of the Province of Canadaand written about in newspapers with some frequency between 1856 and 1859, usually as a remedy for a particular political or economic crisis. The call for a federation of BNA colonies was issued by Amor de Cosmos, a politician and newspaper publisher in British Columbia, in the first issue of The British Colonist in 1858.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Indeed, Canada was a shotgun marriage made in the panic in the wake of the Fenian Raids.

BUT, it wasn't Canadians who were panicked.   It was London who was panicked.  London was panicked about having to defend Canada.

So London basically kicked Canada out of the British Empire and told Canadians to fend for themselves, which, at the time, many Canadians did not want.

That's why they charged into the Boer War and the Great War so eagerly, Canada had been shunned by Britain, Canadians were trying to prove how British they were in reaction to that.

 

There wasn't much anybody could have done if the battle hardened Union...now Federal...forces pushed into regions of Canada they deemed theirs by Manifest Destiny....like most of the West. Luckily for the panicking British, Indians seemed to be #1 on the runway. 

[Dougie93]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

There wasn't much anybody could have done if the battle hardened Union...now Federal...forces pushed into regions of Canada they deemed theirs by Manifest Destiny....like most of the West. Luckily for the panicking British, Indians seemed to be #1 on the runway. 

Except the Union wasn't actually poised to invade, Canada was never under any threat, it was all in the minds of the British, and it was actually General Grant who came to Canada's rescue.

Canada is paranoid.  America is not really out to get Canada, and never was, even in 1812, America was attacking the British, they didn't think of Canada as being its own country.

They still don't

[Cannucklehead]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

There wasn't much anybody could have done if the battle hardened Union...now Federal...forces pushed into regions of Canada they deemed theirs by Manifest Destiny....like most of the West. Luckily for the panicking British, Indians seemed to be #1 on the runway. 

But they did in 1812 and got nothing to show for it but our mace that you stole and was later returned to us by Roosevelt.  

[Cannucklehead]

Meh I'm going to bed.  Later.

Edited October 18, 2019 by Cannucklehead

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

Except the Union wasn't actually poised to invade, Canada was never under any threat, it was all in the minds of the British, and it was actually General Grant who came to Canada's rescue.

Canada is paranoid.  America is not really out to get Canada, and never was, even in 1812, America was attacking the British, they didn't think of Canada as being its own country.

They still don't

 

Yes...as mentioned, the Indians got the axe...not l'il ol' British North America.

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Cannucklehead said:

But they did in 1812 and got nothing to show for it but our mace that you stole and was later returned to us by Roosevelt.  

 

I'm not American.

In 1865, the Federal Army was made-up entirely of combat veterans while in 1812 it was pretty much green militia.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Yes...as mentioned, the Indians got the axe...not l'il ol' British North America.

You know what's funny is when you get away from the border states and go down South, they're not even clear what the relationship is with Canada.

They really do think it's like Puerto Rico North, that's why they are shocked when they try to drive across the border with their guns ans somebody stops them and gets upset aboot it.

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

You know what's funny is when you get away from the border states and go down South, they're not even clear what the relationship is with Canada.

They really do think it's like Puerto Rico North, that's why they are shocked when they try to drive across the border with their guns ans somebody stops them and gets upset aboot it.

 

I'm from BC...where the big American hunting lodges of old still exist in places...but are now Bible camps and such. Back in the good old days, they'd fly or sail into these places...to Hell with what we thought.

Malibu BC is a good example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malibu,_British_Columbia

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

I'm not American.

In 1865, the Federal Army was made-up entirely of combat veterans while in 1812 it was pretty much green militia.

The Union Army was a million men strong, the entire British Army, worldwide, was only two hundred thousand.

But again, the Union didn't want a war with Britain, Britain had a chance to enter the war for the Confederates, Britain declined, the Union was good like dat.

[DogOnPorch]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The Union Army was a million men strong, the entire British Army, worldwide, was only two hundred thousand.

But again, the Union didn't want a war with Britain, Britain had a chance to enter the war for the Confederates, Britain declined, the Union was good like dat.

 

The Union Navy was a thing to be reckoned with. Many armored ships....the Royal Navy didn't need its rear handed to it by a handful of ironclads. The British Army while elite didn't stand a chance against the full might of the Union.

Edited October 18, 2019 by DogOnPorch

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

The Union Navy was a thing to be reckoned with. Many armored ships....the Royal Navy didn't need its rear handed to it by a handful of ironclads. The British Army while elite didn't stand a chance against the full might of the Union.

At one point the Parliament was gung-ho to get involved over the incident with the Union boarding a Confederate ship and seizing a British diplomat

There were all sorts of howls about teaching them Yanks a lesson.

But it was actually Prince Albert who intervened and told them to cool their jets

He could already see that America was going to be the superpower and Britain needed to get along with them.

Which sho did pay off in the end. Literally, when Britain had to come cap in hand to Manhattan in 1916.

[Dougie93]

My wife watches this show Downton Abbey, it's a soap opera, but the cool part is that it is pretty historically accurate,

At the beginning of the show the British rich are filthy rich.

Then World War One happens.

Then they're all broke and having to marry their daughters off to rich Americans. 

That's literally what happened.

And that's how Canada got transferred to the Americans too.  America bought the British Empire, paid cash.

The biggest Chapter Eleven bankruptcy bail out of all time.

Edited October 18, 2019 by Dougie93

[Moonlight Graham]

2 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

I like the idea of america.  It was truly one of the greatest political inventions in the history of mankind.  The problem is that the idea of america is not america.  Hasn't been since the Lincoln era.  

There was nothing special about the Lincoln era besides horrible war.  Post 13th amendment came the "black codes" and Jim Crow.