Lack of Conservative Confidence

[Argus]

30 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Sheer is acting like a Red Tory. The Socialist Credit Party (Reform) are a gang of Bolsheviks.

This just sounds silly, you know. The term 'Bolsheviks" was once synonymous with 'Communist" and it's ridiculous to even begin to suggest Reform was Communist. In fact, there's a reason why the 'Red Tory's acquired that name, and it's not because they were far removed from Bolsheviks.

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32 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Sheer is acting like a Red Tory. The Socialist Credit Party (Reform) are a gang of Bolsheviks.

Call me crazy, but I was under the impression that parties in countries around the world (Australia, New Zealand) consistently win elections while opposing supply management.

[Queenmandy85]

9 minutes ago, Argus said:

The term 'Bolsheviks" was once synonymous with 'Communist" and it's ridiculous to even begin to suggest Reform was Communist.

Obviously you don't remember the Social Credit Party of Bennett, that Manning re-branded as Reform. If you don't think Bennett was a communist, ask anyone who owned shares in BC Electric. His kids were just as corrupt as any commissar. 

[Queenmandy85]

12 minutes ago, -1=e^ipi said:

Call me crazy, but I was under the impression that parties in countries around the world (Australia, New Zealand) consistently win elections while opposing supply management.

Sheer is just ahead of the grits in seat count. He can't afford to lose the dairy vote.

[Argus]

1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Obviously you don't remember the Social Credit Party of Bennett, that Manning re-branded as Reform. If you don't think Bennett was a communist, ask anyone who owned shares in BC Electric. His kids were just as corrupt as any commissar. 

I'm not interested in Bennett. BC provincial politics is always a madhouse anyway. Reform was certainly to the right of where the Conservatives are now.

[Yzermandius19]

20 minutes ago, Argus said:

This just sounds silly, you know. The term 'Bolsheviks" was once synonymous with 'Communist" and it's ridiculous to even begin to suggest Reform was Communist. In fact, there's a reason why the 'Red Tory's acquired that name, and it's not because they were far removed from Bolsheviks.

Cleary Argus has no clue what a Red Tory actually is, or why they got that name, since he's comparing them to Bolsheviks and thinks the name was acquired as a pejorative based on how close they are to Commies.

Edited October 12, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[-1=e^ipi]

8 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Sheer is just ahead of the grits in seat count. He can't afford to lose the dairy vote.

He loses more votes to people who oppose the cartel.

Edited October 12, 2019 by -1=e^ipi

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, -1=e^ipi said:

He loses more votes to people who oppose the cartel.

I wish, but he doesn't. More people support the cartel than oppose it, hence it's existence. Would be nice if more people opposed it than supported it, if that was the case then Scheer would support it, but wishful thinking doesn't make it so unfortunately.

Edited October 12, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Queenmandy85]

6 minutes ago, -1=e^ipi said:

He loses more votes to people who oppose the cartel.

How many of those are Liberals who are in the right wing of the party who are disillussioned with JT? That's where the CPC needs to look for support.

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

How many of those are Liberals who are in the right wing of the party who are disillussioned with JT? That's where the CPC needs to look for support.

The conservatives win by the left splitting it's vote, not by winning over the left. Trying to poach Liberals while pissing off conservatives ain't going to work.

Edited October 12, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Queenmandy85]

Why is a marketing board for the dairy industry such a big deal. It almost smacks of ideology. Never allow ideology to get in the way of governing. That is what has hurt the NDP for generations in federal politics.

[Queenmandy85]

Back to the OP, is it wise for MacKay to be doing this before the ballots are even cast? This morning, Mr. Sheer is ahead in the seat count for the first time in months. If he would just be himself, he would do even better and then, if he wins, he could do us all a favour and fix MackKay.

Edited October 12, 2019 by Queenmandy85
Too harsh

[Yzermandius19]

Scheer is going to lose, the soft NDP and Green supporters will vote strategically to stop Scheer and the Liberals will win. The polls being so close actually works against the Conservatives, especially with a slight lead.

Edited October 12, 2019 by Yzermandius19

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51 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

I wish, but he doesn't. More people support the cartel than oppose it, hence it's existence. Would be nice if more people opposed it than supported it, if that was the case then Scheer would support it, but wishful thinking doesn't make it so unfortunately.

No, stupid policies exist contrary to popular opinion of the people because they are never challenged in an election.The continued existence of tax payer funded catholic schools in Ontario despite opinion polls showing most people are against them is an example.

 

The fact is many countries around the world have political parties that get elected despite being against an awful cartel that makes food unnecessarily expensive for poor people. It's almost like people don't want unnecessarily expensive food.

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47 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Why is a marketing board for the dairy industry such a big deal. It almost smacks of ideology. Never allow ideology to get in the way of governing. That is what has hurt the NDP for generations in federal politics.

Because it's bad policy and we shouldn't vote for parties with bad policy.

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Anyway, keep trying the harperite strategy of supporting the cartel, not advocating for anything, and shutting out discussion and debate in society. I'm sure if you keep trying the losing strategy of harper/scheer it will eventually work... *sarcasm*

 

Edit, also ensure you have no policy differences with the so called 'liberal' party, which ensures that people will vote against the party with the leader that hates gay marriage and is against abortion rights. Clearly that is a 100% winning strategy.

Edited October 12, 2019 by -1=e^ipi

[-1=e^ipi]

In any case, I am not a conservative, have never voted conservative, and will never vote for parties that want to conserve bad ideas like a dairy cartel.

[Yzermandius19]

9 minutes ago, -1=e^ipi said:

No, stupid policies exist contrary to popular opinion of the people because they are never challenged in an election.The continued existence of tax payer funded catholic schools in Ontario despite opinion polls showing most people are against them is an example.

 

The fact is many countries around the world have political parties that get elected despite being against an awful cartel that makes food unnecessarily expensive for poor people. It's almost like people don't want unnecessarily expensive food.

Stupid policies also exist with popular opinion supporting them, it happens all the time. The Supply Management Cartel is a prime example. If politicians support unpopular positions that people actually care about, another politician can come along and take their job. It's the electorates fault, the politicians just pander to them and blow sunshine up their asses for the most part. Mob rule does not result in wise policy making, especially in Canada, the public support all kind of stupid policies.

Also Catholic Schools are better than Public Schools, the public being against that, simply proves my point about the stupidity of the electorate.

Edited October 12, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Why is a marketing board for the dairy industry such a big deal. It almost smacks of ideology. Never allow ideology to get in the way of governing. That is what has hurt the NDP for generations in federal politics.

It is not only the dairy cartel, they are also tied to eggs, chicken, and a few other products, The government sells permits to the dairy industry, according to mad max numbers it cost 3.5 bil per year to almost 15,000 farmers . no permit no selling milk to the Canadian public, to put these into perspective in 1976 before the cartel moved in their was almost 95,000 dairy , today there is only less than 15,000 farming corporations....to pay for these permits farmers pass on the cost to consumer as additional protection the government imposes  high import tariffs on all imported products. The tariffs range from 202 per cent (skim milk) to 298 per cent (butter) with cheese, yogurt, ice cream and regular milk within that range. once again to protect Canadian farming corporations  . 

The government has been doing this for decades imposing high cost permits on a lot of  resource we have, fish, dairy, chicken, lumber I'm sure there is a lot more...it is all control by a one cartel of sorts.So why is it a big deal, well with out dairy products would decrease by x3, chicken and eggs would fall in price as well, not to mention other things that are controlled by cartels... it would also allow the little farms a means to make extra money, with out having to pay huge amounts of money for permits...

Todate the only one with elimination of the dairy, eggs and chicken cartels is Mad max.. Scheer has already come out in support of the cartels, Justin not on his radar, nor the other wingnuts..

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/canadas-dairy-cartel-vs-consumers

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/dont-believe-the-dairy-cartels-dire-predictions-tariffs-can-be-ended-just-look-at-ontarios-wineries

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/wdb74z/blame-canadas-dairy-cartel-for-our-expensive-milk-and-cheese-867

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44 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Stupid policies also exist with popular opinion supporting them, it happens all the time. The Supply Management Cartel is a prime example. If politicians support unpopular positions that people actually care about, another politician can come along and take their job. It's the electorates fault, the politicians just pander to them and blow sunshine up their asses for the most part. Mob rule does not result in wise policy making, especially in Canada, the public support all kind of stupid policies.

 

I think it's more likely that the politicians have 0 understanding of economics. So they naively believe in the propaganda of the first lobbiest that gets to them (such as the dairy cartel).

[Yzermandius19]

17 minutes ago, -1=e^ipi said:

 

I think it's more likely that the politicians have 0 understanding of economics. So they naively believe in the propaganda of the first lobbiest that gets to them (such as the dairy cartel).

It's both. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and the economic illiterate politicians are blowing sunshine up the asses of the well intentioned economic illiterate electorate to get elected, whether they are blowing the same sunshine up their own asses or not.

Edited October 12, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[taxme]

19 hours ago, Argus said:

Let me suggest a more rightward platform which would not turn off most centrist Canadians.

1) On immigration. We would be cutting immigration in half (63% of Canadians want lower immigration) but also holding a study, done by unbiased experts, to determine what exactly immigration is capable of doing for us, what it is presently doing for us, and how to best adjust our immigrant mix and level for best results. This would include wide input from average Canadians (as opposed to biased interest groups), demographics experts and economists

2) On Health Care. We would be eliminating the Canada Health Act. We will instead adopt the best of European health care systems. This will include talks with the provinces to centralize health care financing so that there is just one health insurance payment system for all Canadians, and centralizing the purchase of drugs. We will be working with the provinces to increase the number of doctors and the number of senior care facilities

3) On Taxation. We will be reorganizing the tax system into a graduated flat tax, and increasing the GST, which would play a larger role in taxation as income tax drops.

4) On The military. The world is getting more dangerous and alliances have become shaky. We would immediately buy 100 F-35s, new APCs for the army, and would pressure shipbuilders to speed up construction of new warships.

5) We would work to remove agents of China's United Front, close down Confucius institutes, and work towards lowering the number of Chinese students in Canada. We would also put tariffs on Chinese imports and begin to restrict those imports unless China stops targeting Canadian imports, releases Canadians held unjustly in prison, and acts to restrict fentanyl exports to Canada. Chinese companies would not be permitted to buy out Canadian companies.

6) On natives. We would work to eliminate the Indian Act, and start working on relocating natives (voluntarily) who live on uneconomical reserves towards urban centres where they can find work. This might involve buying up land closer in towards urban centres, and possibly creating more 'urban reserves'. We would redirect money now paid to band offices to individual band members, who could then be taxed by their bands. Their homes would become their property, along with the land under them.

7) We would use federal powers to eliminate interprovincial trade barriers, which are estimated to cost the economy $130 billion per year.

8) End all marketing boards

9 lower corporate taxes but also eliminate dividend deduction and capital gains deduction for dividends or capital gains from equities over $250k per year.

10) Require evaluations of resource projects to be completed within a maximum of two years.

11) On guns. Minimum 2 year sentence (no parole) for anyone smuggling weapons into Canada or selling weapons illegally. Second offense raise that to 5 years. Third offense to 10 years.

1. A moratorium on immigration for at least five years. There are just too many new immigrants legal or illegal being allowed into Canada which is costing the Canadian taxpayer's hundreds of billions of their tax dollars pretty much going to help feed, clothe, and house those who cannot find work and have to go on welfare. And there are plenty of legal and illegal so called refugees that are on welfare. Tax dollars that could be better spent on Canadians in need, and not the rest of the world and their people. 

2. Charge a $5 fee for everyone visiting their doctor. Allow patients to be able to renew a prescription over the phone with their doctor. Millions of taxpayer's tax dollars could be saved by not having to go visit a doctor every time someone has to renew their prescriptions. Doctors get paid by the government every time a patient goes to visit their doctor. This is where most doctors get their salary from. It's a medicare ripoff. 

3. A flat tax. A flat tax makes doing ones tax much easier to do. If one makes $50,000 a year. Apply, say, a 10% tax on that amount. $5,000. Done. Easy-peasy. yes/no? 

4. Eliminate the military. Have a national guard instead who can be called on for emergency's in Canada. Assist our allies in other ways rather than sending off men and women to go fight wars for the international globalists where Canadians are going to get injured or killed. War is a racket. The only ones who win are the international globalist and globalist banksters. 

5. I agree 100%. It's bloody sad to know that there are two Canadians still sitting in some Chinese communist gulag, and our dear leaders could care less. Not a peep from all of them. This alone should just show us all that our dear leaders could care less about we the Canadian people. They appear to be in cahoots with the Chinese communists, and have forgotten about those two Canadians. I would cut off all trade to China until they released those two Canadians. Dam the consequences. Canada can survive without China. Walmart might whine and start to lose some profit, but too bad for them. Either they are going to be pro Canada or pro China. 

6. No more tax dollars for any Indian bands. These Indian bands have been receiving hundreds of billions of tax dollars from the non Indian people of Canada for umpteen decades now, and they all should be wealthy as hell. But instead they are all still living mostly in poverty. Where have all the hundreds of billions of our Canadian tax dollars gone over all these decades? The native Indians just about own all the land in BC. Nothing can be done without their blessing. They now have the power to stop any big work projects going ahead. The native Indians need to be cutoff from receiving any more tax dollars from the rest of the non-Indian taxpayer's out there in Canada land. Enough already. It is time for some tough love.Works for me. 

7. Agreed. There should be no trade barriers in Canada. We are either all Canadians working and living together as one or we are not. It's total bull chit. That $130 billion per year that is costing the Canadian economy is a travesty. Only politicians can come up with more ways of how to make Canada not so great. Canadian politicians create more problems than try and solve them. 

8. Agreed. All marketing boards need to be all eliminated just like Harper did by eliminating the wheat board. Those marketing boards are boards that one would no doubt see in communist countries like China, and not Canada. Free enterprise is what is needed in Canada, not socialism. 

9. Lower taxes everywhere, and get rid of the many hundreds of thousands of useless government rules and regulations that are stifling Canada's growth. 

10. Sounds like a good plan to me. 

11. No more gun laws or registrations. Criminals do not register their guns. Save billions of taxpayer's tax dollars every year by eliminating that gun government bureaucracy, and stop harassing honest gun owners who are being forced to have to buy and pay for a gun license. When was the last time a criminal applied for a gun license? Indeed, there should be a penalty for caught smuggling or selling illegal weapons. Anyone who commits a crime with a gun, where there is no murder involved, they should automatically get ten years in prison plus pay for their the other crime that they committed ie: robbery. If they kill someone with a gun, they should be imprisoned for life. Stop playing games with people who do not value other people's lives. Enough already. 

Canada has become a total liberal/socialist phuk up, and we need real and true conservative leaders who will do the job that needs to get done. Works for me. 

 

[taxme]

On 10/11/2019 at 8:46 AM, Argus said:

I'm sure a lot of Conservatives are thinking of what will happen at the next leadership review after Andrew Scheer loses the upcoming election. I"m hoping he resigns before that happens, and that the Conservatives get someone further to the right, not left who will make it an actual conservative party, rather than the liberal light party it has become.

We have a real and true conservative party in Canada. It is called the PPC party. Scheer could lose the election because he went too easy on Blackface during the debates,. Scheer had a golden opportunity to attack and make Blackface look like the total ass hole that he is, and Scheer let him off the hook. Sometimes one has to wonder if these politicians from different party's are really working together somehow to try and keep the Canadian swamp up and running. Maxine Bernier is the only politically incorrect politician in the bunch. I am in fear that somehow Blackface will hang onto his power, even if it means Blackface gets a minority government. The NDP and the Greens will back him up no matter what. Singh or May hardly attacked Blackface at all during the debates. Scheer took most of the beating and Scheer is not even the PM of Canada. Personally, I think conservatism is pretty much dead in Canada. The ethnic vote will make sure of that. We all better hope that at least Scheer becomes the PM of Canada, or else Canada is doomed forever. There is no doubt about it. 

[Argus]

3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Cleary Argus has no clue what a Red Tory actually is, or why they got that name, since he's comparing them to Bolsheviks and thinks the name was acquired as a pejorative based on how close they are to Commies.

Clearly the guy with the stupidly unpronouncable name doesn't understand that red tories are further to the left than other tories and should go back to talking about his fawning devotion to Donald Trump.

[Argus]

3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

I wish, but he doesn't. More people support the cartel than oppose it, hence it's existence. Would be nice if more people opposed it than supported it, if that was the case then Scheer would support it, but wishful thinking doesn't make it so unfortunately.

Nobody supports the cartel but a few thousand farmers. It means higher prices for everyone else.