Liberals encouraging white supremacists

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, marcus said:

To me, racism extends to more than the 6 races defined in the old books. To me, racism stems from ignorance and a false sense of superiority. This is how you get people like Argus referring to a group of people as "goat herders". What is his point in calling them "goat herders"? Do you think it's to start a healthy conversation? Or do you think it could be something else?

I think it's Cultural Hegenomy, in this case Anglo-American Hegenomy.  

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I think it's Cultural Hegenomy, in this case Anglo-American Hegenomy.  

Cultural Chauvinism and Racial Superiority aren't the same thing, I guess marcus never got the memo.

There are Cultural Chauvinists who believe in Racial Supremacy, and Racial Supremacists who believe in Cultural Chauvinism, but there are plenty of Cultural Chauvinists who don't believe in Racial Supremacy and plenty of Racial Supremacists who don't believe in Cultural Chauvinism.

Edited August 19, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

It's like I have American friends who are anti-immigrant because they are racist, and the main thing to note is that they don't deny it.  They are proudly racist, they make no bones about it.

But then there is another group which is not racist, but they are afraid that the American culture is under threat, they don't care about race, they want people who will adopt their ways, like free speech, gun rights, etc, the immigrants they don't want are the ones who are going to become Democrats.

Edited August 19, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Cultural Chauvinism and Racial Superiority aren't the same thing, I guess marcus never got the memo.

There are Cultural Chauvinists who believe in Racial Supremacy, and Racial Supremacists who believe in Cultural Chauvinism, but there are plenty of Cultural Chauvinists who don't believe in Racial Supremacy and plenty of Racial Supremacists who don't believe in Cultural Chauvinism.

Indeed, and bear in mind that the Government of Canada's immigration policy is Chauvinist by being Classist.   Canada wants rich immigrants.

[Dougie93]

Once again, Victorian British Imperial Canada.

Not being "racist" is the Victorian Missionary Impulse, but it's perfectly acceptable to be a bigot in Canada, so long as you are sneering at the Americans.

[Yzermandius19]

45 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Indeed, and bear in mind that the Government of Canada's immigration policy is Chauvinist by being Classist.   Canada wants rich immigrants.

Well, if I put on the far-lefty cap for a second, then I would say that being classist is being racist, because poor people are disproportionately non-white, therefore it's just a clever way to hide you're white supremacist leanings, lulz.

Their pretzel logic is quite amusing, everything is racist, at least if it conveniently demonizes those they strongly disagree with.

Edited August 19, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Well, if I put on the far-lefty cap for a second, then I would say that being classist is being racist, because poor people are disproportionately non-white, therefore it's just a clever way to hide you're white supremacist leanings, lulz. Their pretzel logic is quite amusing.

Except the non white immigrants are often richer these days,  the Hong Kong Chinese guy and the Indian guy from Mumbai can easily have net worths of the wealthy, whereas the guy from Poland or Croatia could be quite poor in comparison.

[Yzermandius19]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Except the non white immigrants are often richer these days,  the Hong Kong Chinese guy and the Indian guy from Mumbai can easily have net worths of the wealthy, whereas the guy from Poland or Croatia could be quite poor in comparison.

True, but they would claim the average among non-whites is lower than the average among whites, and that the rich among the minorities are token outliers to trick people into thinking the policy isn't racist.

Edited August 19, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

I grew up in a Canada which was quite white supremacist, it wasn't acceptable to be blatant about it perhaps, but it was the underlying dynamic, the chattering classes weren't proclaiming it openly, because that's too American, none the less, everybody still acted as white supremacists in the way it had always been.

Thing was though, like I always say, it was really White Anglo Saxon Protestant Supremacist, like Italians were still not considered to be white for example, by us WASPs.

Edited August 19, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

It was the same in America, like my grandparents in America were blatantly racist, but that included the Irish, Polish, Catholics, Jews,  anybody who wasn't WASP wasn't one of us. Like, Americans were racist against Germans, the Know Nothings and the Temperance Lady is the WASP's

I wasn't racist cause I was raised by lefty Beatniks, but that just made it more noticeable to me, like when my grandmother would go off on some vicious racist tirade like it ain't no thang, that was jarring.

That was what the Greatest Generation was really like though, whole lotta drinking,whole lotta smoking, and white supremacist to the bone.

They didn't call themselves white supremacists, because everybody was white supremacist, so there was no need to self identify as if it wasn't the norm.

Like we'd go golfing at the all white country club where the black people weren't even allowed to work, so it was even more anti-black than Dixie, in Southern California, they didn't want black people around at all, not even as caddies or whatever, even the caddies were all white.

I said to my da once "it's no wonder they have riots down here, this is like Nazi Germany"  he says "yeah, but don't say anything like that to them, they'll just react like you're crazy"

Edited August 19, 2019 by Dougie93

[dialamah]

5 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

That's not racism, you're going to need another term.

Ignorance and a false sense of superiority, very often, have nothing to do with race. 

Racism definition from Merriam Webster online: Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior;

Argus has explicitly declared people of European ethnicity superior to people of other ethnicities.  That's racism.

[Argus]

11 hours ago, marcus said:

You tell me where your imagination takes you when you hear someone refer to a group of people as "goat herders moving to our country".

Uneducated, third world types with no awareness or understanding of modern culture and values locked into a mentality from centuries ago that is often backed up by religion. The Syrian refugees we brought over, for example, were mostly goat-herders, rural peasant types with little education or modern job skills.

Why is everything about skin colour to progressives?

[Argus]

11 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

I know, I'd load up on the Hong Kong Chinese, simply pointing out that those who do want more European immigrants don't necessarily believe that because racism. There are in fact plenty of reasons someone could want more immigrants from a particular region, that have literally nothing to do with race.

According to the government's own studies the most economically successful immigrants to Canada by a huge margin, are Europeans and Americans, with India and the Philippines close behind. The least economically successful come from the middle east and north Africa, though much of Asia performs poorly as well.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Europeans are far better educated in modern (and marketable) business skills, have far more familiarity with English, and are far and away more culturally compatible with Canada with few of the security issues Muslims and Chinese can cause. People from Asia and the mideast don't even use the same alphabet, much less have familiarity with our language and culture.

[Argus]

11 hours ago, marcus said:

To me, racism extends to more than the 6 races defined in the old books. To me, racism stems from ignorance and a false sense of superiority. This is how you get people like Argus referring to a group of people as "goat herders". What is his point in calling them "goat herders"? Do you think it's to start a healthy conversation? Or do you think it could be something else?

It's judging them accurately. Progressives seem incapable of rendering any judgement of non-white people that doesn't come with a paternalistic set of excuses for why they trample all over the sacred social beliefs progressives have always been so enamored of.

"He hates gays."

"Why that filthy, homophobic - !"

"Because he's Muslim."

"Oh, well, uh, you know, we must respect their religion and culture after all."

[Argus]

6 hours ago, dialamah said:

Racism definition from Merriam Webster online: Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior;

Argus has explicitly declared people of European ethnicity superior to people of other ethnicities.  That's racism.

No, Argus has explicitly quoted government reports on their economic superiority as immigrants. That is an important contextual element that anyone with more than half a brain would recognize.

Alas, progressives rarely own that much brain power in their nearly empty skulls.

[Yzermandius19]

10 hours ago, dialamah said:

Racism definition from Merriam Webster online: Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior;

Argus has explicitly declared people of European ethnicity superior to people of other ethnicities.  That's racism.

Wrong. That's ethnocentrism.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Wrong. That's ethnocentrism.

Moreover,  it's a personal belief, to enforce against it would be to assert a thought crime, which is totalitarianism incarnate.

[Yzermandius19]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

According to the government's own studies the most economically successful immigrants to Canada by a huge margin, are Europeans and Americans, with India and the Philippines close behind. The least economically successful come from the middle east and north Africa, though much of Asia performs poorly as well.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Europeans are far better educated in modern (and marketable) business skills, have far more familiarity with English, and are far and away more culturally compatible with Canada with few of the security issues Muslims and Chinese can cause. People from Asia and the mideast don't even use the same alphabet, much less have familiarity with our language and culture.

Hong Kong is a British dude. They are more compatible with North American culture than most North Americans, they are the perfect immigrants culturally speaking. They are most freedom loving Asians there are, and they have a grudge against communism, what more can you ask for?

I'd take every last one of them.

Edited August 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Hong Kong is a British dude. They are more compatible with North American culture than most North Americans, they are the perfect immigrants culturally speaking.

Milton Friedman's Hong Kong, more British than the British, adhering to a classical liberalism of yore while the UK itself has gone Bolshie.

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

Milton Friedman's Hong Kong, more British than the British, adhering to a classical liberalism of yore while the UK itself has gone Bolshie.

There isn't any single immigrants group I'd rather have more of than them, literally the perfect immigrants.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

There isn't any single immigrants group I'd rather have more of than them, literally the perfect immigrants.

Look how brave they are.   The forlorn hope against the Bamboo Curtain, yet on they come, like the Hoplites at Marathon.

[marcus]

9 hours ago, Argus said:

The Syrian refugees we brought over, for example, were mostly goat-herders, rural peasant types with little education or modern job skills.

How did you get the thought above into your head?

Your comment is as silly as someone commenting on people from Abbotsford being white trash, who are semi-literate and who have not ventured outside of North America.

[Argus]

11 hours ago, marcus said:

How did you get the thought above into your head?

The 25,000 refugees Canada is importing contrast with Europe’s new arrivals in almost every way. Generally speaking, they were the most economically vulnerable of the Syrian refugees living in Jordan, Turkey and Lebanon

They were Syria’s olive farmers and shopkeepers before the war, not its university graduates. Of the dozens of refugees headed to Canada that I met (and I was focused on the government-selected pool, rather than private sponsorships), I can remember only one who spoke passable English.

Many of their kids, worryingly, had been out of school for years.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/what-distinguishes-the-syrians-arriving-in-europe-from-those-incanada/article28614428/

Canada’s refugees are being drawn from a pool of the poorest of the poor. Lacking higher education or easily transferable skill sets, and with scant English or French, they will require an immense amount of help and encouragement when they arrive on the other side of the pond. They will be in for a tough slog once they get their parkas, toques and galoshes on.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/matthew-fisher-refugees-will-face-a-cultural-cliff-in-canada-and-canadians-will-be-tested-too

[Shady]

On 8/19/2019 at 9:50 AM, dialamah said:

Racism definition from Merriam Webster online: Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior;

Argus has explicitly declared people of European ethnicity superior to people of other ethnicities.  That's racism.

No, I think he's indicated that certain cultures are superior to others.  Race is irrelevant.

[marcus]

On 8/20/2019 at 9:21 AM, Argus said:

The 25,000 refugees Canada is importing contrast with Europe’s new arrivals in almost every way. Generally speaking, they were the most economically vulnerable of the Syrian refugees living in Jordan, Turkey and Lebanon

They were Syria’s olive farmers and shopkeepers before the war, not its university graduates. Of the dozens of refugees headed to Canada that I met (and I was focused on the government-selected pool, rather than private sponsorships), I can remember only one who spoke passable English.

Many of their kids, worryingly, had been out of school for years.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/what-distinguishes-the-syrians-arriving-in-europe-from-those-incanada/article28614428/

Canada’s refugees are being drawn from a pool of the poorest of the poor. Lacking higher education or easily transferable skill sets, and with scant English or French, they will require an immense amount of help and encouragement when they arrive on the other side of the pond. They will be in for a tough slog once they get their parkas, toques and galoshes on.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/matthew-fisher-refugees-will-face-a-cultural-cliff-in-canada-and-canadians-will-be-tested-too

1) Your original "goat herders" comment on this board, referring to immigrants coming to Canada was made before the Syrian refugee crisis

2) Refugees coming to Canada are just a drop in the bucket as compared to the number of immigrants coming to Canada

3) Olive farmers and shopkeepers are not goat herders

4) Re: "Alali was one of dozens of Syrian refugees with whom I spoke during the past week" - Speaking to 12 people is not enough to establish anything.

5) Your use of "goat herders" was meant as a derogatory term towards middle-easterners and Muslims who you have a problem with coming to Canada. Whether as a skilled worker or as a refugee.

Edited August 22, 2019 by marcus