Ontario is the Best Place to Live in Canada

[Boges]

1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

Sorry, but I cannot be of further assistance. This is not Spoon-feed Liberals 101.

Well then I'll assume you had no point. The chart only shows population. 

Milton is on that list. It's 15 minutes north of the #1 and #4 cities in Canada based on the OP and they have larger populations. Ottawa is also considered one of the best communities in Canada to live. 

Is your thesis only that rural communities are worth living in? 

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

Your meandering diatribes are just dumbed down generalizations. It's astonishing that you devote so much verbiage to such simplistic messaging. 

It's called agitprop, learn to deal /shrugs

[OftenWrong]

4 minutes ago, Boges said:

Well then I'll assume you had no point. The chart only shows population. 

Milton is on that list. It's 15 minutes north of the #1 and #4 cities in Canada based on the OP and they have larger populations. Ottawa is also considered one of the best communities in Canada to live. 

Is your thesis only that rural communities are worth living in? 

You assume many things. The chart shows everything I need it to show. Again I cannot hep the unobservent

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6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It's called agitprop, learn to deal /shrugs

As long as you concede to that. 

As a side to something you did say. Though downtown Toronto is notably "pinko". So are all other large metropolis'. Ever been to Montreal?

Suburban Toronto is a bell weather region that goes between Liberal and Conservative. It's the swing community that almost always decides provincial or federal election. AND has some of the nicest communities in Canada. 

Toronto comes well down on the list in the OP. 

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[OftenWrong]

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

Is your thesis only that rural communities are worth living in? 

In a nutshell, yes.

[Boges]

Just now, OftenWrong said:

In a nutshell, yes.

The article in the OP concedes that small towns have a great appeal to many. 

But so do mid-sized cities and suburbs. You get the best of both worlds. 

[OftenWrong]

10 minutes ago, Boges said:

Ottawa is also considered one of the best communities in Canada to live. 

If you like the smell of piss and shit everywhere, then yes. Yes it is.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

As long as you concede to that.

Oh,  of course, democracy is a hurly burly, politics is war by other means, now it was the Bolsheviks who invented agitprop, but they were on to something there, thus we on the right repurposed it, turned it back against the left.  Quite enjoyable, since it bothers them so.

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[OftenWrong]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

The article in the OP concedes that small towns have a great appeal to many. 

And since Ontario consists of a shithole coefficient of 0.657, we are back to my earlier post. You have come full circle, my little padawan. There is hope for you yet...

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2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

And since Ontario consists of a shithole coefficient of 0.657, we are back to my earlier post. You have come full circle, my little padawan. There is hope for you yet...

Well that's simply an objectively false statement. So perhaps not. 

[OftenWrong]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

Well that's simply an objectively false statement. So perhaps not. 

So math evidently not your forte. 

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3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

So math evidently not your forte. 

You're saying that every large urban centre based on your shitty chart is a shithole. That's objectively false. 

Geography is more of my forte than math, and the way the chart distributes Ontario communities is also wildly idiotic. 

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[OftenWrong]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

You're saying that every large urban centre based on your shitty chart is a shithole. That's objectively false. 

Geography is more of my forte than math, and the way the chart distributes Ontario communities is also wildly idiotic. 

Come on, the chart was a pretty nice way to show the data, really. It is organized by population, from 1 -12. These are the top 12 populated cities.

Geography is mountains and rocks. We don't have that much here in Ontario, I think you complained about that earlier. That's probably why you don't understand Ontario and you don't get the chart.

Anyway this is about sociology, not rocks. What is the will to high population density. Man's inhumanity to man. What Stalin said about statistics. The primal human reaction to when there are many, and when there are few. Crocodile Dundee in Manhattan.

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12 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Come on, the chart was a pretty nice way to show the data, really. It is organized by population, from 1 -12. These are the top 12 populated cities.

Geography is mountains and rocks. We don't have that much here in Ontario, I think you complained about that earlier. That's probably why you don't understand Ontario and you don't get the chart.

Anyway this is about sociology, not rocks. What is the will to high population density. Man's inhumanity to man. What Stalin said about statistics. The primal human reaction to when there are many, and when there are few. Crocodile Dundee in Manhattan.

Geology is about mountains and rocks. 

Geography is as much about how we organize our civilizations than the physical makeup of those communities. I'm convinced the reason most people live near Toronto is because, by Canadians standards, the weather is very good. And that's because it doesn't receive as much Lake effect snow as other parts of the province. 

I can tell you Milton isn't the 12th largest city in Ontario. The chart is showing CMAs not cities, but it's pretending that they're cities. That's why it sucks. 

Milton is a hybrid rural/suburban community so, I guess, that's why they put it on it's own. But a notable chunk of Hamilton, Niagara, K-Dub, London and Barrie's CMA are also "rural". So most of what's not noted in your chart are empty communities and far flung Northern communities. And those places don't have a Costco, so they by definition, suck. 

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[Dougie93]

I can confirm that Guelph is not a shit hole, it's a lovely place, and quite affluent now, and they have a Costco.

The only downside is that it is run by lefties, the public sector entrenched interests have captured the government, so it is somewhat expensive.

Thus its better to live just outside of Guelph, and go to Guelph as you need to, to catch a hockey game at the Sleeman Center, or go to Costco,

[OftenWrong]

14 minutes ago, Boges said:

I'm convinced the reason most people live near Toronto is because, by Canadians standards, the weather is very good. And that's because it doesn't receive as much Lake effect snow as other parts of the province. 

Not at all. Most people live near Toronto because that's where the work is. It is usually the first destination for newcomers to Canada, big urban centre, lots of opportunity to get a job and get started. Weather is a luxury consideration for migrants. Toronto being on the western side of the lake it does not benefit much from the prevailing west-east weather pattern that picks up air from lake Ontario and maintains a moderate temperature region. Those areas to the east benefit from it far more, yet they are relatively unpopulated. I'm sorry but your thesis does not hold up under peer review.

The list is well categorized, just not by your standard. The category is there in front of your face, dead centre, yet you missed it. These places are population centres. 
I can only ask questions and drop hints for so long, and if you don't get the answer you will fail.

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[Dougie93]

Thing about Toronto, is you have to be making money to make it worth your while.

There is no industry in Toronto, it's all Information work.

Financials, Media, Arts, Fashion, Software.

If you have the vision, the creativity, the skills and the drive, you will make a lot of money in Toronto.

If not, you will end up in the service industry serving those who do, and then it's a grind and everything is very expensive, so you won't get ahead.

[Boges]

15 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Not at all. Most people live near Toronto because that's where the work is. It is usually the first destination for newcomers to Canada, big urban centre, lots of opportunity to get a job and get started. Weather is a luxury consideration for migrants. Toronto being on the western side of the lake it does not benefit much from the prevailing west-east weather pattern that picks up air from lake Ontario and maintains a moderate temperature region. Those areas to the east benefit from it far more, yet they are relatively unpopulated. I'm sorry but your thesis does not hold up under peer review.

The theory is why it was first populated, not because of the economic reasons people move there now. The Eastern side of Ontario is full of Islands and is at the mouth of the St. Lawrence. It's also very close to Montreal. Toronto is actually on the North of Lake Ontario more than on the West. Meaning it receives very little Lake Effect Snow. To the South, the American community of Buffalo is seen as arctic tundra compared to Toronto. 

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The list is well categorized, just not by your standard. The category is there in front of your face, dead centre, yet you missed it. These places are population centres. 
I can only ask questions and drop hints for so long, and if you don't get the answer you will fail.

They're well categorized if you want to consider CMA's but if you're theory is that those contain only urban areas then you're objectively wrong. 

For example, I know the city of Hamilton is around 400,000 people. Your chart has it at 700,000 so it's including rural communities like Flamborough. And most likely the city noted as the #1 community in Canada in the OP. . . Burlington. 

So if you're rudimentary math equation is indicative of people who life in shitty places, you need to provide a better basis than that chart. 

Edited August 27, 2019 by Boges

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Thing about Toronto, is you have to be making money to make it worth your while.

There is no industry in Toronto, it's all Information work.

Financials, Media, Arts, Fashion, Software.

If you have the vision, the creativity, the skills and the drive, you will make a lot of money in Toronto.

If not, you will end up in the service industry serving those who do, and then it's a grind and everything is very expensive, so you won't get ahead.

So Software isn't industry? If you're isolating Toronto to the city proper, then yeah there's not a lot of manufacturing. But the surrounding suburbs are filled with it. 

You and OftenWrong are blinded by your hatred of Toronto Proper and it's obstructing your knowledge of the surrounding communities. 

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Boges said:

So Software isn't industry? If you're isolating Toronto to the city proper, then yeah there's not a lot of manufacturing. But the surrounding suburbs are filled with it. 

You and OftenWrong are blinded by your hatred of Toronto Proper and it's obstructing your knowledge of the surrounding communities. 

Software is not industrial no, it's nothing like the industrial economy, if you go to an information workplace in Toronto, there's nothing there, it's just a room with people exchanging information, like the stock market.

In terms of the old industrial in the suburbs it's all shrinking away to nothing, it's all moving out, mostly to Mexico.  All that is left behind is the information workers in the head office, the manufacturing hub is likely in Monterrey

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Software is not industrial no, it's nothing like the industrial economy, if you go to an information workplace in Toronto, there's nothing there, it's just a room with people exchanging information, like the stock market.

And that's where the real money is, and should be, going forward. If a robot can do a man's job, the man should learn how to control the robot (eg. Software)

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In terms of the old industrial in the suburbs it's all shrinking away to nothing, it's all moving out, mostly to Mexico.  All that is left behind is the information workers in the head office, the manufacturing hub is likely in Monterrey

 

Cite? Obviously manufacturing has taken a hit, but this 10 year boom since the 2008 crash has been somewhat fuelled by a resurgence in domestic manufacturing. 

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[Dougie93]

Believe what you like, I don't care, I simply give my view of it, you're welcome to take it or leave it, I have no desire to prove anything outside of a court of law.

[OftenWrong]

58 minutes ago, Boges said:

For example, I know the city of Hamilton is around 400,000 people. Your chart has it at 700,000 so it's including rural communities like Flamborough. And most likely the city noted as the #1 community in Canada in the OP. . . Burlington. 

I'm well aware of that. I posted the data and can tell you anything you want to know about it. But I didn't...

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So if you're rudimentary math equation is indicative of people who life in shitty places, you need to provide a better basis than that chart. 

Obviously you do not like it, hence the desperate dashing to and fro to find some small fly speck that you can point to and say, "oh, you left a little spot there." And you are going to make the most you can out of that fly-speck.

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I'm well aware of that. I posted the data and can tell you anything you want to know about it. But I didn't...

Obviously you do not like it, hence the desperate dashing to and fro to find some small fly speck that you can point to and say, "oh, you left a little spot there." And you are going to make the most you can out of that fly-speck.

So the fact that almost every CMA noted in that list include communities that aren't classified as Large Urban is a "fly-speck" to you. It kind of speaks to your theory that two thirds of the province are shitholes. 

Not to mention you're unwilling to engage in a debate as to why you'd think that. 

[OftenWrong]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

So the fact that almost every CMA noted in that list include communities that aren't classified as Large Urban is a "fly-speck" to you. It kind of speaks to your theory that two thirds of the province are shitholes. 

Not to mention you're unwilling to engage in a debate as to why you'd think that. 

I see, it's about me now. Well in my defense it seems you read too quick.