Argus Posted July 23, 2019 Report Posted July 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, dialamah said: Hate crimes down, more good news. No doubt due to widespread condemnation of racist and Islamophobic attitudes and videos shaming those who hurl abuse at people based on skin-color or mode of dress. I hope declines continue and politicians have to stop stoking "fear of others" as part of their campaigns. LOL. The claims politicians were stoking fears of Muslims only started popping up in the last six months, when the Liberals invented the idea as they were fanning the flames of fear of the great and evil (and invisible) white supremacists. People like you were claiming they were stoking fears as recently as yesterday. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted July 23, 2019 Report Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Argus said: LOL. The claims politicians were stoking fears of Muslims only started popping up in the last six months, when the Liberals invented the idea as they were fanning the flames of fear of the great and evil (and invisible) white supremacists. People like you were claiming they were stoking fears as recently as yesterday. There are no two sides to hate crimes. Muslims in Canada are just being Muslims. White supremacists are committing violent hate crimes. Edited July 23, 2019 by jacee 1 Quote
Scott Mayers Posted July 23, 2019 Author Report Posted July 23, 2019 7 hours ago, taxme said: In Canada it is a Criminal Code offence to kill anyone. Thou shalt not kill. Whether a person kills someone for whatever reason they have or kills someone maybe out of hatred for that person it is still a killing. So should they be charged with a hate crime killing? No. They need to be charged for murder. Period. Whether hate or not was involved should not be the issue. Killing someone is still murder and murder is an offence against the Criminal code of Canada. More hate laws will not change that. As far as I am concerned the hate laws are there to try to shut down and violate conservative, Christian and straight people's rights to their freedom of expression and their right to their opinions and points of view that leftist liberals like Trudeau do not agree with. Now that is a real hate crime. But I think your own self reflection on this is itself contributing to WHY, though. I agree to your opinion minus the belief of the unique presumption of anti-Christian (which YOU mean of the more fundamentalist and/or evangelical Protestant varieties) and to being anti-straight. If you want to help, you have to step away from your own personal opinion regarding religion and think more 'globally' or you are just as culpable AS those on the left doing this because they TOO are doing it for a 'religious' set of reasonings that I think is at the root of the problems. Only a religious mindset considers censorship justifiable and all define those against theirs as 'hate' (or 'terrorists') relative to their own cults. I don't believe that if you were in power that you'd NOT do these things but with more stronger biases as is proved time and again where the 'conservative' uses religious IMPOSITION to define laws. I also KNOW that our Conservatives here are the first to SPY on its constituents, use deceptive tactics assuming the 'ends-justify-the-means' where their own strict religious beliefs are claimed to be strict AND you'd define anyone that is NOT particular and in line with the "Christian" view as Blasphemous and worthy of the worst. I'm FOR open sex choices and religious freedoms as long as they are NOT of government by and for the people AND they only speak on these issues where actual violations against people in particular instances occur. So I agree with your point in the first paragraph. Quote
dialamah Posted July 23, 2019 Report Posted July 23, 2019 13 hours ago, Argus said: People like you were claiming they were stoking fears as recently as yesterday. And people like you were stoking fears of Somalians and crime, immigrants being the cause of economic hardship, Muslims being too 'different' to be Canadian as recently as yesterday. People like you are the reason for people like me. 1 1 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted July 23, 2019 Report Posted July 23, 2019 11 hours ago, jacee said: White supremacists are committing violent hate crimes. It is most notable that they never bring up the alt-rights Rebel reader who gunned down six Muslims in cold blood. 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Argus Posted July 23, 2019 Report Posted July 23, 2019 15 hours ago, jacee said: There are no two sides to hate crimes. Muslims in Canada are just being Muslims. White supremacists are committing violent hate crimes. If there are any white supremacists in Canada they're keeping a low profile. And most of the 'hate crimes' involve graffiti and insults exchanged on the street. 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 23, 2019 Report Posted July 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: It is most notable that they never bring up the alt-rights Rebel reader who gunned down six Muslims in cold blood. Why would we have to when you bring it up damn near every day? No other terror attacks seem to have left the slightest impression on you, but you cry yourself to bed every night thinking about the one or two attacks on Muslims over the past several years. Muslim terrorists set off bombs in train in Spain killing 193 MH: Yawn Muslim terrorists bomb subway in London killing 52 MH: Is anything else on TV? Muslim terrorist runs down people in crowd in Nice killing 87 MH: So what? Muslim terrorist slaughters 12 journalists in Paris MH: I hear Margaret Atwood is writing another book! Yay! Muslim terrorist blows up teen concert in Manchester, killing 23 MH: It sure looks like a nice day for a bike ride. Muslim terrorist runs down people on bike path in New York, killing 8 MH: Maybe I'll walk. It's a lovely day Muslim terrorist runs over and kills soldier in Quebec. MH: I think I need to get a pedicure. Muslim terrorist murders solder in Ottawa, attacks parliament. MH: boy, look at the weather out there! Crazy guy kills 6 Muslims in a mosque in Quebec, then calls police on himself. MH: AAAAAHHHH! Ahhhhh! The world is ending! Ahhhh! (runs around in circles pulling at his hair and crying) AHhhh! We must ban everyone from saying anything against Muslims! Ahhhhg! We must censor the internet! AAaahhh! We must fight the evil right wingers! Aahhh! One year later. MH: Ahhhhh! Ahhhh! We must do something! Think of those poor Muslims killed in the mosque! Ahhh Two years later. MH: AhhhhhhH! Our Muslims are being attacked! Aaaaarggh! Oh the humanity!!! We need new laws! We must stop the evil right! 1 2 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 23, 2019 Report Posted July 23, 2019 4 hours ago, dialamah said: And people like you were stoking fears of Somalians and crime, i Stoking? More like mentioning them in the context of we sure should be a lot more careful about letting more people from Somalia into Canada, especially given their low employment numbers and low wage numbers. 4 hours ago, dialamah said: immigrants being the cause of economic hardship, Muslims being too 'different' to be Canadian as recently as yesterday. And yet hate crimes have dropped enormously! How about that! 4 hours ago, dialamah said: People like you are the reason for people like me. No. People like you, and your insistence on opening the borders wide to every kind of fanatic, wack job, halfassed barbarian religious lunatic and unskilled, illiterate goat herder are the reason for people like me, not to mention the millions of Canadians who say they want no more refugees and want immigration lowered. We had a sane immigration system until people like you took it over and destroyed it. Now we have millions of people who don't fit in, don't want to fit in, can't speak the language, can't work, and are swelling the lineups for health care. 1 2 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
taxme Posted July 23, 2019 Report Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, Scott Mayers said: But I think your own self reflection on this is itself contributing to WHY, though. I agree to your opinion minus the belief of the unique presumption of anti-Christian (which YOU mean of the more fundamentalist and/or evangelical Protestant varieties) and to being anti-straight. If you want to help, you have to step away from your own personal opinion regarding religion and think more 'globally' or you are just as culpable AS those on the left doing this because they TOO are doing it for a 'religious' set of reasonings that I think is at the root of the problems. Only a religious mindset considers censorship justifiable and all define those against theirs as 'hate' (or 'terrorists') relative to their own cults. I don't believe that if you were in power that you'd NOT do these things but with more stronger biases as is proved time and again where the 'conservative' uses religious IMPOSITION to define laws. I also KNOW that our Conservatives here are the first to SPY on its constituents, use deceptive tactics assuming the 'ends-justify-the-means' where their own strict religious beliefs are claimed to be strict AND you'd define anyone that is NOT particular and in line with the "Christian" view as Blasphemous and worthy of the worst. I'm FOR open sex choices and religious freedoms as long as they are NOT of government by and for the people AND they only speak on these issues where actual violations against people in particular instances occur. So I agree with your point in the first paragraph. If someone wants to change their sex then good for them. I just do not need to hear or know about it. Keep that leftism cult crap in the closet where it belongs and especially keep it away from children who could careless about sex deviations. Let them play, and stop trying to brainwash the poor kids into the leftist liberal sex deviant practices. All people like me who has a different opinion and points of view to leftist liberals is to get called a racist or a hater like. There is no reason for having any hate laws in place. They are only there to go after white, conservative, straight, and even Christian people and either have them shut down, fined or jailed. Liberals are the ones that are the most intolerable and bigoted people around. Deplorable people indeed. Even to criticize leftism immigration or multiculturalism policy gets one in trouble. I am surprised that globalist Trudeau has not made it a law yet that no one will be allowed to discuss, debate or argue about those two sacred cow and taboo leftism cult subjects. To do so has come pretty close to being considered hate. Hate laws are a leftism joke. Go away hate laws. Works for me. Edited July 23, 2019 by taxme Quote
taxme Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 On 7/22/2019 at 6:48 PM, jacee said: There are no two sides to hate crimes. Muslims in Canada are just being Muslims. White supremacists are committing violent hate crimes. So how many white supremacists have been arrested lately for committing all those violent crimes that you leftist liberals keep talking about? Just wondering. Quote
taxme Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 On 6/28/2019 at 7:48 AM, Dougie93 said: There has been no erosion of the powers of the Queen, quite the opposite in fact, as all this censorship by the Liberal establishment is in fact done in the name of the Queen's Peace. When the whims of "society" are invoked to shut people up and have the Mounties throw them in jail if they don't, that is done entirely on Her Majestyi's authority. That sounds like what the Human Rights(Wrongs) Commission does all the time. Find people who speak political incorrectness like conservatives, Christians, white, and straight people and have them charged with promoting some kind of hatred towards some whimpy whiny person or groups who feel that they have been insulted and had their feelings hurt. In BC the communist minded NDP brought back the BC Human Rights Commission back to life that the BC liberals got rid of years ago to enforce political correctness. That commie outfit already has been responsible for shutting down one business and fined another business for not wishing to serve a transgender guy turned woman over doing some kind of a waxing job on his/her body. Source: Tucker on FOX News. This is how ridiculous BC and Canada have become these days. Putting someone out of business over a complaint by some girlie man because the owners would not give him/her a wax job. This is what insane leftism is all about. Build a leftist liberal insane asylum society and get the leftist liberal insane politicians to run it. If the Mounties are going to be throwing anyone in the gulag it should be those fools mentioned. The HRC is a dangerous communist minded bureaucracy that has been given the power to run and rule over we the people of BC and to be able to go after anyone that they do not like or agree with. What a sham BC has become today, not to forget that Canada today is no better. Liberal leftism must go. Works for me. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 On 7/22/2019 at 9:48 PM, jacee said: White supremacists are committing violent hate crimes. They also rely on mainstream conservatives acting as dupes, to allow them to brainwash murderers like the Quebec mosque killer... all under the false flag of free speech. They promote fake sites and disinformation memes. They are, ironically, funded by foreigners trying to sow disunity in Canada. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad_Watch Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
dialamah Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 19 hours ago, Argus said: every kind of fanatic, wack job, halfassed barbarian religious lunatic and unskilled, illiterate goat herder Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel about non-white immigrants. 1 Quote
GostHacked Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 20 hours ago, Argus said: Why would we have to when you bring it up damn near every day? No other terror attacks seem to have left the slightest impression on you, but you cry yourself to bed every night thinking about the one or two attacks on Muslims over the past several years. Muslim terrorists set off bombs in train in Spain killing 193 MH: Yawn Muslim terrorists bomb subway in London killing 52 MH: Is anything else on TV? Muslim terrorist runs down people in crowd in Nice killing 87 MH: So what? Muslim terrorist slaughters 12 journalists in Paris MH: I hear Margaret Atwood is writing another book! Yay! Muslim terrorist blows up teen concert in Manchester, killing 23 MH: It sure looks like a nice day for a bike ride. Muslim terrorist runs down people on bike path in New York, killing 8 MH: Maybe I'll walk. It's a lovely day Muslim terrorist runs over and kills soldier in Quebec. MH: I think I need to get a pedicure. Muslim terrorist murders solder in Ottawa, attacks parliament. MH: boy, look at the weather out there! Crazy guy kills 6 Muslims in a mosque in Quebec, then calls police on himself. MH: AAAAAHHHH! Ahhhhh! The world is ending! Ahhhh! (runs around in circles pulling at his hair and crying) AHhhh! We must ban everyone from saying anything against Muslims! Ahhhhg! We must censor the internet! AAaahhh! We must fight the evil right wingers! Aahhh! One year later. MH: Ahhhhh! Ahhhh! We must do something! Think of those poor Muslims killed in the mosque! Ahhh Two years later. MH: AhhhhhhH! Our Muslims are being attacked! Aaaaarggh! Oh the humanity!!! We need new laws! We must stop the evil right! Afghanistan was invaded in 2003. And still occupied by the USA 16 years later. Argus : Whatever The USA helped arm terrorists in Syria Argus : Whatever The USA is helping Saudi Arabia terrorists in Yemen. Argus : Whatever. The USA armed and trained the same terrorists that brought down the WTC in WYN in 2001. Just showing how stupid this style of posting is. 1 Quote
scribblet Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 Here we go 'false flag of free speech' another attempt at stifling free speech, was ever thus I suppose. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
jacee Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: On 7/22/2019 at 9:48 PM, jacee said: White supremacists are committing violent hate crimes. They also rely on mainstream conservatives acting as dupes, to allow them to brainwash murderers like the Quebec mosque killer... all under the false flag of free speech. 2 hours ago, scribblet said: Here we go 'false flag of free speech' another attempt at stifling free speech, was ever thus I suppose When 'free speech' turns to violence: Christian and white supremacist homophobics harassing, and then violently attacking Hamilton Pride Fest: http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1559256643661/ Edited July 24, 2019 by jacee 1 Quote
Argus Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 3 hours ago, dialamah said: Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel about non-white immigrants. I didn't say anything about non-white. Apparently your racist tendencies are coming to the fore since you instantly associated the descriptive terms I used with 'non whites'. 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, GostHacked said: Afghanistan was invaded in 2003. And still occupied by the USA 16 years later. Afghanistan sheltered a 10,000 man terrorist army under Bin Laden and refused to surrender him. They got better than they deserved. Quote The USA helped arm terrorists in Syria According to your tinfoil hat. Quote The USA is helping Saudi Arabia terrorists in Yemen. Have I ever said one solitary thing about Saudi Arabia other than they are responsible for most of the world's terrorism? Quote The USA armed and trained the same terrorists that brought down the WTC in WYN in 2001. According to the secret broadcasts you get through the antennae stuck out of your ass. The problem with you conspiracy nuts from the far left is you're always so eager to believe any bullshit story that implicates the Americans in anything. Edited July 24, 2019 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, Argus said: I didn't say anything about non-white. Apparently your racist tendencies are coming to the fore since you instantly associated the descriptive terms I used with 'non whites'. Well, let's see ... every international issue you cited was a 'Muslim terrorist', but the Canadian anti-Muslim white guy who killed 6 Muslims in Canada doesn't warrant your concern? He's the only terrorist you mention who does warrant concern in Canada. 1 Quote
jacee Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, Argus said: Quote GostHacked: The USA is helping Saudi Arabia terrorists in Yemen. Have I ever said one solitary thing about Saudi Arabia other than they are responsible for most of the world's terrorism? Have you ever said that the USA is responsible for most of the world's terrorism? Because if you haven't, you're not paying much attention to the truth of how terrorism arises. Quote
dialamah Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 33 minutes ago, Argus said: I didn't say anything about non-white. Sure, because you describe European immigrants like this too: 23 hours ago, Argus said: fanatic, wack job, halfassed barbarian religious lunatic and unskilled, illiterate goat herder ... Now we have millions of people who don't fit in, don't want to fit in, can't speak the language, can't work, and are swelling the lineups for health care. I guess next time you demand that Canada bring in more Western Europeans, Australians, British etc, I can remind you that you include them as part of the barbarous, illiterate foreign-speaking, diseased riff-raff that are swelling our line-ups for health care. Quote
GostHacked Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 42 minutes ago, Argus said: Afghanistan sheltered a 10,000 man terrorist army under Bin Laden and refused to surrender him. They got better than they deserved. Bin Laden was a CIA asset. Also proven time and time again. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3340101/t/bin-laden-comes-home-roost/ This was in 1998. Quote NEW YORK, Aug. 24, 1998 — At the CIA, it happens often enough to have a code name: Blowback. Simply defined, this is the term describing an agent, an operative or an operation that has turned on its creators. Osama bin Laden, our new public enemy Number 1, is the personification of blowback. And the fact that he is viewed as a hero by millions in the Islamic world proves again the old adage: Reap what you sow. 42 minutes ago, Argus said: According to your tinfoil hat. Again I'll point to that 50+ page on Syria that has all those facts. Proven time and time again. And not even refuted by the USA. But here. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u-s-strategy-arming-syrian-rebels-didnt-work Quote A covert CIA program created under the Obama administration to train and arm moderate Syrian rebels to put pressure on the Assad regime will soon end, The Washington Post first reported Wednesday. Hari Sreenivasan talks to Faysal Itani of the Atlantic Council about how this policy change will affect Syria’s future and the country's relationship with the U.S. 42 minutes ago, Argus said: Have I ever said one solitary thing about Saudi Arabia other than they are responsible for most of the world's terrorism? According to the secret broadcasts you get through the antennae stuck out of your ass. The problem with you conspiracy nuts from the far left is you're always so eager to believe any bullshit story that implicates the Americans in anything. Come on Argus. I thought you were better than that? But I have now proven you wrong on both accounts. Moving on... Quote
Scott Mayers Posted July 24, 2019 Author Report Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) Does anyone here not agree that there appears to be an odd discrepancy between supporting the Immigrant with the same force as the Aboriginal? Is it rational to hold compassion for one but not the other? Can you be compassionate to both? Since this is about 'hate crimes', if one is considered to 'hate' the Immigrant, should they not be demonstrating compassion for the Aboriginal and vice versa? Edited July 24, 2019 by Scott Mayers Quote
Argus Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, jacee said: Well, let's see ... every international issue you cited was a 'Muslim terrorist', but the Canadian anti-Muslim white guy who killed 6 Muslims in Canada doesn't warrant your concern? He's the only terrorist you mention who does warrant concern in Canada. Damn near every international terrorist IS a Muslim. And I did mention the white guy. Maybe you should read more closely. No, I don't see him as being much of a concern it's been the only occurrence and he clearly had mental health issues in that he escaped clean, then stopped and called the police to turn himself in. Likewise id didn't include the lunatic incel who ran people down in toronto, or the danforth shooter, since even though he was Muslim it doesn't appear that religion was his motivation. Edited July 24, 2019 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 57 minutes ago, jacee said: Have you ever said that the USA is responsible for most of the world's terrorism? No. Because that would be dumb. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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