GostHacked Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: What is my rhetoric again? I don't speak for you. On 6/21/2017 at 1:49 PM, DogOnPorch said: Islamic terrorism started with Mohammad. Correct. Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures. On 6/21/2017 at 2:10 PM, DogOnPorch said: It's your shtick...that Islam was turned violent by actions of the West. On 6/22/2017 at 12:54 PM, DogOnPorch said: Spanish authorities prevent Jihadi attack on Gay Pride Parade. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4625716/ISIS-terror-suspect-arrested-Madrid-Gay-Pride.html Good thing Islam is the Religion of Peace. On 9/12/2018 at 1:13 PM, DogOnPorch said: Twenty-eight year old Syrian refugees murdering 13 year old girls just months into being here is something we should learn to live with. Diversity is our strength...and I feel enriched by this fellow's actions. I know you do, too. On 9/12/2018 at 1:14 PM, DogOnPorch said: Still the Quran says to FIGHT the Unbeliever. Not be nice to the Unbeliever. On 11/5/2018 at 7:44 PM, DogOnPorch said: We have politicians in Canada actively working on bringing in Sharia Law with all the joy *that* brings. Defender of the Faith...I'd play "What a Mighty Fortress We Have In God" as background music for you...but wrong cult...and Islam frowns upon music and poetry. On 11/7/2018 at 12:35 PM, DogOnPorch said: What does the Quran say about Jews? On 11/7/2018 at 12:36 PM, DogOnPorch said: What does the Quran say about Unbelievers? On 11/7/2018 at 12:41 PM, DogOnPorch said: As I've pointed out several times...Xenophon...the root of xenophobia...had excellent reason to distrust..."fear"...the Persians. On 11/7/2018 at 1:12 PM, DogOnPorch said: You're here to defend Islam by not answering questions.
DogOnPorch Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 Just now, GostHacked said: I don't speak for you. Which posts are untruthful, again? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: 6 dead. And the parliament hill guy.. The risks are in the same order of magnitude. The parliament hill guy, and the guy who ran down the soldier on the other side of the river, and the Somalian refugee who ran down a cop to try to steal his gun and then ran down more people on sidewalks in Edmonton and the guy planning to bomb the mall in London who set it off in the taxi instead when police cornered him, and the group that wanted to blow up the CN tower when arrested, and the guys who wanted to derail a train south of Toronto, and the guy arrested on the street two blocks from my freaking house on a terrorism warrant. Still don't know what he was up to but he was reported by his own mosque, and the Kingston guy arrested a couple of months ago... right off the top of my head. I'm sure there's more. NOT the same magnitude. Edited March 17, 2019 by Argus 2 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 51 minutes ago, jacee said: Immigration and religion are not causing problems. Racism, white supremacism, bigotry and hatred are causing the problems. Oh for Gods sakes, even Hillary Clinton has admitted that it is the migration into Europe which is driving populism, nationalism and the rise of extremist parties. You are like all the political elites in Europe, who all had the same attitude as people started to complain about the rising number of foreigners, who sneered at them, and imposed laws to prevent them from speaking their minds, who imposed draconion rules on their parties to unconditionally support migration and resettlement. And what did that accomplish? The rise of far right parties, the rise of nationalism, the rise of extremism. I will quote from David Frum once again. "When liberals say only fascists will guard borders, the voters will hire fascists to guard the borders." 2 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Which posts are untruthful, again? It has nothing to do with the truth, more of your rhetoric does not line up with the person talking in the video. Which I guess you were trying to use as some kind of evidence that there is no Islamophobia. You go with actions and facts. but always ignore the fact that the failed War on Terror created this new wave of Islamic terrorism. In fact our government sanctions it and continues to perpetuate it by dealing with nations like Saudi Arabia. Should we blame Islam that our government sanctioning terrorist activities of dictatorship nations against other nations? We can sell arms to Saudi Arabia, they attack Yemen and kill countless and we all still blame Islam for that? Yemens are Muslim too. Or is that part of the plan? To use one Islamic nation to kill another Islamic nation? Oh that's brilliant, never thought of that. What could possibly go wrong.
Argus Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Saudi Monitor said: Astonishing how some dead Muslims reminds white nationalists islamophobes Nigeria is a country that exists and they gotta take a brief break from their usual 24/7 ranting about how Africans are lower IQ people Would you like to talk about the African slave trade up the east coast which allowed Saudi Arabia and other Atab nations which presumed blacks were 'inferior people' to be dragged out of their homes and made to toil in the sun for the remainder of their brief lives for a thousand years? Arab racism towards black Africans goes back eons. And the Arab world today is one of the last vestiges of slavery, especially in Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Edited March 17, 2019 by Argus 1 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted March 17, 2019 Author Report Posted March 17, 2019 The "yabut whattabout ..." deflectors are all over this topic, making it very clear that they are white supremacist Islamophobes. Someday soon the distinction between free speech and hate speech will become clearer to them.
DogOnPorch Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 Just now, GostHacked said: It has nothing to do with the truth, more of your rhetoric does not line up with the person talking in the video. Which I guess you were trying to use as some kind of evidence that there is no Islamophobia. You go with actions and facts. but always ignore the fact that the failed War on Terror created this new wave of Islamic terrorism. In fact our government sanctions it and continues to perpetuate it by dealing with nations like Saudi Arabia. Should we blame Islam that our government sanctioning terrorist activities of dictatorship nations against other nations? We can sell arms to Saudi Arabia, they attack Yemen and kill countless and we all still blame Islam for that? Yemens are Muslim too. Or is that part of the plan? To use one Islamic nation to kill another Islamic nation? Oh that's brilliant, never thought of that. What could possibly go wrong. He's one of my YouTube subscriptions as he makes sense to me. That he doesn't make sense to you is more your problem than mine. Unlike you, I've read the Quran and am familiar with the various books of Hadiths (sayings of Big Mo). I often accompany my posts with supporting verses from the Quran/Hadiths as needed. I have a bone to pick with Christianity, as well. But more for the science vs religion than Christians actively blowing-up "unbelievers"...as Islam does. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Argus said: Would you like to talk about the African slave trade up the east coast which allowed Saudi Arabia and other Atab nations which presumed blacks were 'inferior people' to be dragged out of their homes and made to toil in the sun for the remainder of their brief lives for a thousand years? Arab racism towards black Africans goes back eons. And the Arab world today is one of the last vestiges of slavery, especially in Egypt and Saudi Arabia. The term is Abeed. عبد https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abeed Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, jacee said: The "yabut whattabout ..." deflectors are all over this topic, making it very clear that they are white supremacist Islamophobes. Someday soon the distinction between free speech and hate speech will become clearer to them. What skin colour is Islam? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 38 minutes ago, jacee said: Ya, there's a lot of that here. It's always important to continue to counter that. This is also fertile ground for police to monitor people who incite and promote hatred. As Antifa says ... "Make racists afraid again!" Lol Aligning yourself with vermin is unlikely to gain much respect for your words. Has it ever occurred to you that you are in the distinct minority in this country. Which means the views of those who want to lower immigration are mainstream and you are the extremist. Only 6% of Canadians told pollsters they wanted to raise immigration vs over 50% who want to cut it. You remind me of Trudeau, who, a few years back, expressed such disdain for conservative views on the niqab and said if he thought those were the values of English Canada he would return to Quebec - and now Quebec has passed a face covering ban! Trudeau wasn't even in touch with the values of his own province, much less Canada's. And neither are you. 3 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted March 17, 2019 Author Report Posted March 17, 2019 37 minutes ago, Argus said: Oh for Gods sakes, even Hillary Clinton has admitted that it is the migration into Europe which is driving populism, nationalism and the rise of extremist parties. Hillary is a puppet of the imperialist cabal. It's US imperialism, invasion of Muslim countries, destabilization, sanctions, regime change and theft of public resources for private profit that is driving migration, fomenting hatred and the rise of extremist terrorism. Now ... what was your point again ... ?! 1 1
Argus Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, jacee said: Hillary is a puppet of the imperialist cabal. It's US imperialism, invasion of Muslim countries, destabilization, sanctions, regime change and theft of public resources for private profit that is driving migration, fomenting hatred and the rise of extremist terrorism. Now ... what was your point again ... ?! That you are the extremist, not us. So thanks for showing it so clearly. Edited March 17, 2019 by Argus 1 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Argus said: That you are the extremist, not us. Angela Davis she's not. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
scribblet Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, jacee said: You're making it pretty clear that you stand with the white supremacists. Nonsense, I don't and never have and don't impute anything ... 1 Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
DogOnPorch Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 Just now, scribblet said: Nonsense, I don't and never have and don't impute anything ... I've never seen a racist post out of you ever. Jacee is throwing shit hoping it sticks. Meanwhile, Islam CONTINUES to kill unbelievers around the globe. 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jacee Posted March 17, 2019 Author Report Posted March 17, 2019 25 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: What skin colour is Islam? Interesting question: Are Islamophobes equally prejudiced against white and nonwhite Muslims? Are racists equally supportive of white and nonwhite Christians?
DogOnPorch Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, jacee said: Interesting question: Are Islamophobes equally prejudiced against white and nonwhite Muslims? Are racists equally supportive of white and nonwhite Christians? What colour am I? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
cannuck Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, jacee said: Immigration and religion are not causing problems. Racism, white supremacism, bigotry and hatred are causing the problems. Politicians, media and others in positions of responsibility are causing the problems by 'inciting and promoting hatred' to get votes or make profits. Police who defer to white supremacism as "free speech" are causing the problems, validating hatred and allowing hatred public space to spread and grow, escorting and protecting white supremacist hate marches through crowds of decent Canadians there to oppose their messages of hatred. Police have even violently pushed such people aside to escort white supremacists through (eg, Toronto Police Services). Police, national security agencies and Attorneys General who fail to monitor and lay charges against white supremacist propagandists online are causing problems. We have the laws to draw the lines between free speech and inciting or promoting hatred: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-319.html Public incitement of hatred 319 (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction. Wilful promotion of hatred (2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction. In Canada, we now need the public will and demand that they be applied systematically to prevent the spread of hatred. You are making the case for why religion and the free ride on the law it gets is the real problem. Think back to the Mt. Cashel affair - I happen to know the RCMP Sergeant who finally made the case - after another went down in flames trying to counter the endless lies and coverups from the Catholic cult and the government of Nfld. He could go on forever about how EVERYONE including the print media simply gave a complete pass the the Church for decades - even when there were admissions of guilt https://www.heritage.nf.ca/articles/politics/wells-government-mt-cashel.php We are doing the same thing now with Islamic fundamentalism and that which is part of their doctrine - to spread hate. Preaching the quran that includes "death to the infidels" in so many passages is no different. Instead of prosecuting, we excuse. THAT is the kind of BS that incites a violent backlash from white supremacist extremists. While I can not condone their actions (nor those of Daesh, Al Queda, etc.) I can understand how easily they can be wound up., Edited March 17, 2019 by cannuck
Argus Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, jacee said: Interesting question: Are Islamophobes equally prejudiced against white and nonwhite Muslims? The term 'prejudice' means to 'pre-judge'. I'm not prejudging Islam, I'm judging it. I've seen its behaviour throughout the world, and that of its adherents, and have read more than enough of what it preaches to judge it as an ideology dangerous to western, secular values. 1 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
scribblet Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: I've never seen a racist post out of you ever. Jacee is throwing shit hoping it sticks. Meanwhile, Islam CONTINUES to kill unbelievers around the globe. Thank you... I have no problem with immigration as long as it is stable, controlled and suited to the needs of Canada. Islamophobia is a new word created to silence any possible debate about the problems of Islamic extremism, used with the express purpose of stifling any criticism of Islam while not applying the same standards to other beliefs. Definition of racist = anyone disagreeing with a liberal 3 Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
jacee Posted March 17, 2019 Author Report Posted March 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, Argus said: That you are the extremist, not us. So thanks for showing it so clearly. Silly nonsense. Who hasn't figured out that Republicans&Democrats, Conservatives&Liberals are all part of the predatory profit-making cabals that destroy countries, societies and environments?! There are other choices. 1
Army Guy Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 10 hours ago, jacee said: 2nd link in the OP. RCMP/CSIS downplay far right extremism. Good analyses in this article below from Australia - home of the shooter - but true in Canada and the US too: https://theconversation.com/christchurch-attacks-are-a-stark-warning-of-toxic-political-environment-that-allows-hate-to-flourish-113662?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1552790316 "The result has been such a cacophony of hateful rhetoric that it has been hard for those tasked with spotting the emergence of violent extremism to separate it from all the background noise of extremism. ... But ultimately, we need to address the permissive political environment that allows such hateful extremism to be promulgated so openly. The onus is on commentators and political leaders alike. They cannot change the past, but they will determine the future." The onus is on police and the justice system too, to clarify lines between free speech and inciting or promoting hatred. Police have been escorting white supremacists' marches around Canada like they're visiting dignitaries. Andrew Scheer and Maxine Bernier are both looking like weasels in their response, or lack of, to the violent deaths of 49 Muslims. It's obvious they don't want to lose their Islamophobic voters. That is not what you said you quoted that the government does not track far right extremists....which is not TRUE, period..... Quote permissive political environment that allows such hateful extremism to be promulgated so openly This is a double edge sword , with people being guilty of these acts on both sides, not just extremist right wing nuts....these new laws or policies you want to bring in have to reflect this...But in Canada today we can not debate this openly for fear of being called a racists or Islamophobic….look at this site for instance.... Both have responded to this incident....they were late getting out of the gate, that does not mean in any way they agree with the attack, your pulling straw out of your ass again.... 1 We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Argus Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, jacee said: Silly nonsense. Who hasn't figured out that Republicans&Democrats, Conservatives&Liberals are all part of the predatory profit-making cabals that destroy countries, societies and environments?! There are other choices. None that haven't all been repeatedly proven as far, far worse, which wind up crushing all human rights and freedoms and enslaving their populations in extreme poverty. 1 1 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted March 17, 2019 Report Posted March 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, jacee said: Silly nonsense. Who hasn't figured out that Republicans&Democrats, Conservatives&Liberals are all part of the predatory profit-making cabals that destroy countries, societies and environments?! There are other choices. Angela, they put you in prison Angela, they shot down your man Angela, you`re one of the millions of political prisoners in the world. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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