bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Argus said: Because of the large population. And the large population is because of the weather. Like I said, switch Canad and the US around on the ol globe and it'd be Canada with the population ten times the size of the US. Write that book...make that movie...but here in reality, Canada is located where it is, and no number of excuses will suddenly make it a global hegemon like the United States. Canada was late to the game....remained a colony and dominion far longer...still depends on exports far more than the U.S (or China)...and struggles to remain relevant on the world stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Argus said: I'm a law and order conservative. You're crypto anarchists potheads. I like orderly discussion with proper subjects to guide people to what's going on, and you just want to crap all over the place and smoke a doobie. Nobody wants to hear, yet again, for like the five hundredth post in the space of a couple of months, about how Canada is illegitimate and your loyalty is to the Crown. It was weird but shrugworthy the first few times, but now it's gotten boring as shit. It's your prerogative to find us boring and ignore our posts, go ahead, no skin off our back. I only take issue with you wanting us to be censored because you find us to be boring and off-topic, because of your lack of historical perspective. I for one don't want to censor you, or anyone else on this forum, aside from actual spam bots. Edited February 18, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Write that book...make that movie...but here in reality, Canada is located where it is, and no number of excuses will suddenly make it a global hegemon like the United States. Right. Because of the weather. Quote Canada was late to the game....remained a colony and dominion far longer...still depends on exports far more than the U.S (or China)...and struggles to remain relevant on the world stage. Because of the weather. I'm sure we'd have more exports if we had ten times our population, lots more industry, bigger markets, more international 'hegemony' etc. All your claims of superiority rest on the fact it's just warmer there. Is that really something you're gonna puff out your chest for? Edited February 18, 2019 by Argus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Zeitgeist keeps invoking a false narrative of the Canadian constitution, as law and order conservatives, we simply point out the law to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: It's your prerogative to find us boring and ignore our posts, go ahead, no skin off our back. I only take issue with you wanting us to be censored because you find us to be boring and off-topic, because of your lack of his historical perspective. Perspective is not among your talents. I can ignore Dougie easily enough, and do so. But given you echo every one of his posts, and that the two of you then draw in other responses, it reduces any subject you two are involved in to a series of disjointed talks about irrelevant and nonsensical stuff unrelated to modern political issues. Which means you are having a negative impact on the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: It's your prerogative to find us boring and ignore our posts, go ahead, no skin off our back. I only take issue with you wanting us to be censored because you find us to be boring and off-topic, because of your lack of his historical perspective. Agreed....few previous members have ever been able to provide the Canadian historical narrative and story arc stripped of its modern whitewashing and purposeful omissions. It pains some to visit that reality, especially when castigating others with a more objective POV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Write that book...make that movie...but here in reality, Canada is located where it is, and no number of excuses will suddenly make it a global hegemon like the United States. Canada was late to the game....remained a colony and dominion far longer...still depends on exports far more than the U.S (or China)...and struggles to remain relevant on the world stage. Switzerland is plenty cold in winter, and yet they have a flight to quality, Hong Kong is just a tiny rock, yet capital would rather go there than Canada, even with the Chinese Communists looming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Argus said: Right. Because of the weather. Because of the weather. I'm sure we'd have more exports if we had ten times our population, lots more industry, bigger markets, more international 'hegemony' etc. All your claims of superiority rest on the fact it's just warmer there. Is that really something you're gonna puff out your chest for? Yes....because both France and Britain walked away from Canada as a mostly frozen wasteland. That perspective matters, and two members have been providing it in spades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Switzerland is plenty cold in winter, and yet they have a flight to quality, Hong Kong is just a tiny rock, yet capital would rather go there than Canada, even with the Chinese Communists looming. I hear that Russia and the former Soviet Union runs cool in winter too, but yet it managed to become a global superpower. Canada...not so much. Edited February 18, 2019 by bush_cheney2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) Exactly right, for first the French and then the British, Canada was a hardship posting, the British were interested in Virginia, when they lost that they went to India and left Canada at the mercy of the Americans. The British took Quebec in 1759, but they then froze to death in the fortress which they had just taken. Edited February 18, 2019 by Dougie93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I hear that Russia and the former Soviet Union runs cool in winter too, but yet it managed to become a global superpower. Canada...not so much. The British Crown was the superpower, Canada is not dynamic without the British Empire, you are just the proxy which Canada has latched onto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: Exactly right, for first the French and then the British, Canada was a hardship posting, the British were interested in Virginia, when they lost that they went to India and left Canada at the mercy of the Americans. That's the best part....the Americans went to war to be rid of the British...only to transcend and surpass their dying empire with loans in blood and treasure. Canada be like, "WTF just happened ? " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: That's the best part....the Americans went to war to be rid of the British...only to transcend and surpass their dying empire with loans in blood and treasure. Canada be like, "WTF just happened ? " At first Canadians were all for it, the First World War ejected them from their empire, and America was the savior. Second World War too, which is why my grandfather decamped to Glendale California and never looked back. America became increasingly popular reaching a zenith with JFK. Since the 1960's however, Canadians have become increasingly revanchist against America, as the CBC Eskimo Communism has driven the body politic further and further left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: ...Since the 1960's however, Canadians have become increasingly revanchist against America, as the CBC Eskimo Communism has driven the body politic further and further left. I have long marveled at the collective Canadian psyche's ability for such mental gymnastics and pretzel logic over the decades. G-Damn Americans....can't live with them...can't live without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: I have long marveled at the collective Canadian psyche's ability for such mental gymnastics and pretzel logic over the decades. G-Damn Americans....can't live with them...can't live without them. I was indoctrinated into it, but the problem was I had kin in America and spent a lot of time in America with my American kin, so it's impossible for me to view America as my enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) And, as you know, the "if it bleeds it leads" media view of America is vastly overwrought clickbait, when you actually live in America, its quite tranquil and Americans are way more friendly than passive aggressive pathologically insecure Victorian Canadians. Edited February 18, 2019 by Dougie93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: I was indoctrinated into it, but the problem was I had kin in America and spent a lot of time in America with my American kin, so it's impossible for me to view America as my enemy. I have worked with many Canadians, but have no Canuck kinfolk. We got along just fine as long as both accepted each other for what they are....good and bad. I embrace America's sins and warts, because there would be no America without them, and that includes my ancestor slaves (they did not go back to Africa). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 I don't see them as "your" slaves, Charleston was the British slave trading post, your slaves were our slaves, you just ditched us and took our slaves with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 The other laughable Canadian revision is that somehow Canada was on the right side of history, when in fact Canada was with the Confederates, the Confederates not only operated their intelligence service from a hotel in downtown Toronto, many of them fled to Toronto and lived here after the war, where they were fetted as brave freedom fighters against the Union, the Union being the American Menace of the time and the reason for Confederation, as a British Imperial NATO against General Sherman & Co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Agreed....few previous members have ever been able to provide the Canadian historical narrative and story arc stripped of its modern whitewashing and purposeful omissions. It pains some to visit that reality, especially when castigating others with a more objective POV. Oh cry me a river. Historical narrative? When a guy brings up the same fucking thing five hundred times on every damn subject it's not historical it's hysterical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: Switzerland is plenty cold in winter, and yet they have a flight to quality, Hong Kong is just a tiny rock, yet capital would rather go there than Canada, even with the Chinese Communists looming. Why are you trying to find places that are better than Canada in some way? Switzerland built up its niche Finance role by being a tiny country that people in larger countries could stash money in times of uncertainty. Hong Kong is a Chinese possession and benefits from the same thing, only from the mainland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes....because both France and Britain walked away from Canada as a mostly frozen wasteland. That perspective matters, and two members have been providing it in spades. I'm not sure how anything you've said in any way counters my point. Your country is only 'great' because of the weather. Puff out your chest and get a big boner over that one if that's all ya got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Here's a Canadian historical narrative, Jubal Early was literally the inventor of the Lost Cause, and he wrote the speeches which made it, from a mansion in Toronto where he was being hosted by the Canadian elites as a refugee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Argus said: Why are you trying to find places that are better than Canada in some way? Switzerland built up its niche Finance role by being a tiny country that people in larger countries could stash money in times of uncertainty. Hong Kong is a Chinese possession and benefits from the same thing, only from the mainland. I'm trying to save Ontario from Canada, we have the GDP to be our own country, but we would be much richer without Canada dragging us down into a socialist mire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Argus said: Oh cry me a river. Historical narrative? When a guy brings up the same fucking thing five hundred times on every damn subject it's not historical it's hysterical. Different issue entirely....don't confuse historical accuracy with repetition. How many times do I have to read that "Trump is a <fill in the blank>" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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