Dougie93 Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) Not that Argentina has a military anymore, but even if they acquired one somehow, Panther makes messing with the Falklands again a non starter. Australia and Singapore Panthers contains Indonesia and Malaysia. Israel was already the dominant power in the region, but they are now totally invincible, they could destroy the Russian position to the north with ease, with just a handful of Panthers Panther will be the doom of the Russians at the Suwalki Gap as well, if they ever try to get from Belarus to Kaliningrad. Edited February 19, 2019 by Dougie93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 The only real mistake was cancelling Raptor at 187 frames, but even so, Panther can beat everything except Raptor, so as of now, nothing actually requires F-22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) Basically Canada has it backwards, buy more Panthers, buy less Frigates, the Frigates are way more expensive, and deliver way less effects. Not that frigates are bad per se, but Canada doesn't need 15 of them. And that's a LockMart program too, but Canada is going to use F-35 way more often than the Navy, because bombing with CF-18's is basically what Canada does in 90% of its actions. The Frigates basically fight Somali pirates, and you don't need to spend $60 billion on that. Even if you want to funnel money to Irving; buy something else besides Frigates, most NATO countries only have 4 of them, there's no need for Canada to have more than the rest of NATO and certainly not four times more. Edited February 19, 2019 by Dougie93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes...she is the embodiment of Canada, which is why the "aboriginals" insist that treaties be reconciled at that (original) level, not with the colonial suits in Ottawa. Yes, and ironically this puts me in conflict with Ottawa as well, because technically, by those treaties, the Indians are my military allies in defence of the Crown, whereas the Canadian public is not, in the British monarchy, the public are passengers, the soldiers of the crown are mercenaries, and the tribal warriors are friendly partisans. The ultimate British Soldiers of the Crown; are the Gurkhas. They are both in one, mercenary and tribal warrior. Btw, don't point at a Gurkha, that's flipping the bird in Gurkha, Gurkhas point with their chins, pointing with your finger is calling the guy out. I didn't think Gurkhas got in bar fights, I used to think they were zen, but turns out, no, if you punk them they will go you. I thought they were going to be like Asians, but actually they were more like the Iroquois, they don't take any shit, and in any fight, they are totally fearless. Used to be the Mohawks could work the high steel effortlessly because they had been raised from birth not to fear, up in the mountains of Nepal, they still raise them that way. Edited February 19, 2019 by Dougie93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 18 hours ago, Dougie93 said: Literally just one squadron of F-35's, would make Canada a serious threat to any nation, to include the Russians, since F-35 can deliver the B61 One squadron of F-35's, could shoot down most of the air forces on earth, all by itself. Doesn't even need AWACS, the F-35 is an AWACS unto itself. It's ironic how history has repeated itself. First it's the EH101 - a helicopter the Liberals howled about for years and vowed to cancel as too expensive. They vowed to instead hold a 'fair' competition. Problem was they knew the EH101 would likely win such a competition, so they bought nothing. It was left to the Tories to run the competition and buy the damn helicopters more than ten years later. The extra cost to the taxpayers was well over a billion dollars. Now the Liberals get us involved with the F35, only take issue with it when they lose the election, then fight tooth and nail against it and vow to cancel it and hold a 'fair' competition. To get out of that, they tried to buy Super Hornets as a 'stopgap/temporary' measure. Buying these would, they figured, let them postpone a real competition for many, many years, maybe forever. Instead they threw a hissie fit when Boeing dared to challenge one of Quebec's darling companies, and were left screwed. They'd said we needed more aircraft immediately. What to do, what to do? Buy these old hornets. There, for a measly half billion or so, problem solved (although not really according to the AG). Now they can get back to delaying and screwing around with the 'fair' competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, Dougie93 said: Basically Canada has it backwards, buy more Panthers, buy less Frigates, the Frigates are way more expensive, and deliver way less effects. Not that frigates are bad per se, but Canada doesn't need 15 of them. And that's a LockMart program too, but Canada is going to use F-35 way more often than the Navy, because bombing with CF-18's is basically what Canada does in 90% of its actions. The Frigates basically fight Somali pirates, and you don't need to spend $60 billion on that. The alleged reason they fucked with the requirements to buy this particular frigate was its anti-submarine role. Apparently NATO is getting more worried about submarines again, especially since they've been ignoring the issue and let their own anti-submarine warfare abilities kind of lapse. Edited February 19, 2019 by Argus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 13 hours ago, Dougie93 said: Yes, and ironically this puts me in conflict with Ottawa as well, because technically, by those treaties, the Indians are my military allies in defence of the Crown, whereas the Canadian public is not, in the British monarchy, the public are passengers, the soldiers of the crown are mercenaries, and the tribal warriors are friendly partisans.m that way. How come sometimes you write sane stuff, and then you go off on a bender with silly shit like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Argus said: How come sometimes you write sane stuff, and then you go off on a bender with silly shit like this? Explain what is insane about the post, instead of just saying it's insane. That's one of your problems Argus, when you disagree, you just state that you disagree, dismiss the point out of hand, and rarely explain why that is, as if the reason is self evident, even when it clearly is not. Edited February 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 There is no such thing as a dedicated surface combatant anymore. Frigate, Destroyer, Cruiser, these classes are basically obsolete. You've got light cruiser sized warships which can do any mission, it's just a question of what weapons you load into the vertical launchers. The whole "competition" aspect is a facade. There were two serious bids, one Anglo-American, one French. Canada is UKUSSA, so the RCN ain't going French. In terms of ASW, that's all about the SONAR, and Canada was always going to go with the Triton Underwater Warfare System. But that is state of the art, Ultra Electronics Canada is a world leader in SONAR, and the LFAPS made in Dartmouth NS was going to be the SONAR, and in Cold War terms, it is a game changer, although the primary submarine threat to North America is up under the polar ice, and only the Americans and British can hunt there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 13 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: Explain what is insane about the post, instead of just saying it's insane. That's one of your problems Argus, when you disagree, you just state that you disagree, dismiss the point out of hand, and rarely explain why that is, as if the reason is self evident, even when it clearly is not. The "Indians" are not anyone's 'military allies in defense of the Crown' when they're fighting officers of the crown. And police are officers of the crown. They also get no exemption from the rulings of courts, which are also instruments of the crown. And realistically, none of them feel bound by any old military alliances anyway. This is not the eighteenth century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Argus said: The "Indians" are not anyone's 'military allies in defense of the Crown' when they're fighting officers of the crown. And police are officers of the crown. They also get no exemption from the rulings of courts, which are also instruments of the crown. And realistically, none of them feel bound by any old military alliances anyway. This is not the eighteenth century. They aren't opposing The Crown, they are opposing the Government of Canada. They feel more bound to The Crown then they do Confederation, that I can tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: They aren't opposing The Crown, they are opposing the Government of Canada. They feel more bound to The Crown then they do Confederation, that I can tell you. Police and courts don't work for the government, they are sworn to the Crown. And the government represents the crown, as well. The attempt to somehow separate these from the crown is idiotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: They aren't opposing The Crown, they are opposing the Government of Canada. They feel more bound to The Crown then they do Confederation, that I can tell you. The treaties from the 18th century a null and void? Treaty of Paris 1763 out with the bathwater; fake country. The Candian Army Bold Eage Program, 30 years of recruiting and indoctrinating Indians into all Indian formations, nothing to see here, move along, move along. Canadian Rangers, pay no mind to those armed Eskimos patrolling the north. Canadian police? Actually haven't tread over the Iroquois side of the line, since Oka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) Bold Eagle was the Canadian Army's response to Oka. Mission; to recruit the Indians to be our military allies instead of our enemies, so we don't have another Oka. And it's been very successful. Almost all the tension with the Mohawks, is about the RCMP trying to crack down on tax free smokes, so not worth a fight at all. The Canadian public wants their tax free smokes, the Mohawks are servicing the market, while the RCMP are being tasked to rally around the sad and failing nanny socialist gulag. This is what a Welfare-Warfare State looks like. Edited February 20, 2019 by Dougie93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 2/20/2019 at 12:40 PM, Argus said: The "Indians" are not anyone's 'military allies in defense of the Crown' when they're fighting officers of the crown. And police are officers of the crown. They also get no exemption from the rulings of courts, which are also instruments of the crown. And realistically, none of them feel bound by any old military alliances anyway. This is not the eighteenth century. Indigenous Peoples are allies of the Crown, not subjects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted May 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 9 hours ago, jacee said: Indigenous Peoples are allies of the Crown, not subjects. Then they shouldn't be able to vote in our elections, nor be allowed to live off-reserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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