Will Raybould cross the floor?

[scribblet]

One thing I don't see mentioned is the sneaky legislation Trudeau passed allowing a conversation about whether to prosecute or not prosecute as without it, this wouldn't be an issue now.   This is the new corporate loophole that will allow a corporation which has been caught criminally to pay back all ill gotten gains in return for the prosecutor to drop all criminal charges.  

I don't like Trudeau as I believe he is a narcissistic twit to put it mildly but doesn't this legislation allow for a discussion on whether or not to prosecute ?

 

 

[BubberMiley]

22 hours ago, scribblet said:

Well, she is hard left as is Trudeau.  

Do you base that on facts and evidence, or just a belief that everyone that isn't alt.right is extremely left wing?

[mowich]

On 2/9/2019 at 6:47 AM, Centerpiece said:

We'll just have to wait. If Trudeau doesn't allow her to speak publicly, she should leave the party and sit as an independent and tell her story. If there is merit to the story, she would be viewed as a hero (except at The Star and CBC) - Truth to Power......and from an indiginous perspective, the bloom is quickly coming off the Liberal Rose anyway. If there is nothing to the allegations, she'll certainly have some explaining to do as to why she left everyone hanging.

If Wilson-Raybauld was indeed put under pressure to use her influence in the SNC Lavalin trial by the PMO she was duty bound to come forward immediately.  As yet there is no factual evidence to support the allegations.  Never-the-less, it beggars belief that nothing  happened else why the demotion?  

While I find all the negative comments by anonymous sources regarding Wilson-Raybauld to be cheap shots by cowards unwillingly to go on record, I also am disturbed to see activist natives trying to make this all about indigenous issues.  It isn't.  Nor is it a 'feminist' issue as some are trying to evince. This is simply about a major company in Canada being charged with bribery and accusations that the PMO tried to influence the AG to intervene on their behalf.  Where I wonder would be the hue and cry had the AG been Japanese, Chinese, Nigerian or any ethnicity other indigenous.  The FNs are doing themselves no favours by trying to make this all about them.  It is not. 

The biggest cog in this wheel is Wilson-Raybauld.  We need to hear her side of this ever-growing story.  The sooner she is heard from the better. 

[August1991]

Sorry for thread drift above.

My op: will she cross the floor? Well, she has already left cabinet.

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8 minutes ago, mowich said:

If Wilson-Raybauld was indeed put under pressure to use her influence in the SNC Lavalin trial by the PMO she was duty bound to come forward immediately.  As yet there is no factual evidence to support the allegations.  Never-the-less, it beggars belief that nothing  happened else why the demotion?

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Mowich, you make her to be the "bad guy".  Is she?

Edited February 13, 2019 by August1991

[mowich]

On 2/10/2019 at 4:26 PM, Dougie93 said:

Not that I wouldn't love to see her out the PM for being a constitutional criminal, the media narrative however seems like the one in America, wherein the wishful thinking of the media is ginned up into some sort "collusion" and then "collusion" itself is ginned up into a supposed "crime".

I would be very entertained if Trudeau had actually been stupid enough to step over the line, but more likely the PMO walked right up to it without actually crossing over, after being briefed by their own lawyers where the line was to watch out you don't step all the way over.

If the PMO did not cross the line and put pressure on the former AG, why then was she demoted?  No harm. No fail.

[mowich]

16 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

So Raybould has resigned from cabinet and hired Thomas Cromwell as her lawyer, to advise her as to what she can tell the public about what Trudeau said to her?

This is heating up now, that's about as heavy a hitting lawyer as you can hire in Canada, and Trudeau no longer has any leverage over her once she has quit cabinet, that's just a free as crossing the floor.

Trudeau may not have any leverage over her but she is still bound by client confidentiality no matter whether remains with the party or not - whether in cabinet or not.  This I believe is why she hired such a high-powered lawyer.  She needs one.

[August1991]

On 2/12/2019 at 1:32 AM, Dougie93 said:

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Churchill was an Imperialist warmonger who incited the First World War...

 

And Dougie93, you're an idiot.

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For other posters, sorry for this post, a personal indulgence.  

Edited February 13, 2019 by August1991

[August1991]

Returning to my OP,  if she crosses the floor, where does she go?

I first imagined that Scheer would offer "comfy fur".

Well, having read more about this woman, I suspect that like Margaret Thatcher - she is not for turning.

[mowich]

9 hours ago, scribblet said:

One thing I don't see mentioned is the sneaky legislation Trudeau passed allowing a conversation about whether to prosecute or not prosecute as without it, this wouldn't be an issue now.   This is the new corporate loophole that will allow a corporation which has been caught criminally to pay back all ill gotten gains in return for the prosecutor to drop all criminal charges.  

I don't like Trudeau as I believe he is a narcissistic twit to put it mildly but doesn't this legislation allow for a discussion on whether or not to prosecute ?

 

 

I wasn't aware of that legislation and thank you for bringing it up.  I am aware of the legislation that trudeau snuck into his omnibus Bill C-44 specifically Bill S-251 (http://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/S-251/first-reading).

That trudeau would even contemplate using an omnibus bill after his many stridently negative comments regarding their use by the former government, is yet another example of the man's utter hypocrisy.  That he would have the Finance Minister deliver the bill under the guise of budgetary changes in order to quietly include a plethora of different bills which radically change many areas of justice, commerce and social welfare without disclosing their intent to the Canadian public is yet another betrayal of their 'sunny ways' proclamations. 

But to get back to Bill S-251, there are several changes to the justice system some of which allow judges to impose a fine rather then a prison term for anyone including companies that are deemed to be candidates for such treatment.  This is important as SNC Lavalin if convicted and given a criminal sentence will not be allowed to operate in Canada for a period of 10 years.  SNC Lavalin currently brings an estimated 8 billion dollars into the Canadian economy and employees around 9,000 people - many of them in Quebec - which may not seem important until put into context of the coming election and province's importance to the futures of the Liberal party.  SNC Lavalin is also a major contributor to the Liberal Party of Canada. 

It is not a huge leap to understand why the government might find it necessary to do all in their power to make sure the company receives a fine.  If they stepped over the line doing so then their downfall cannot come soon enough. 

[mowich]

43 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Sorry for thread drift above.

My op: will she cross the floor? Well, she has already left cabinet.

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Mowich, you make her to be the "bad guy".  Is she?

There could be many 'bad guys' involved, August.  Is Wilson-Raybauld one of them?  I don't think so.  I merely question the fact that she continued to act as AG until demoted to Veteran's Affairs if it does come out that the PMO tried to pressure her. She wouldn't be considered a 'bad ' person for doing so, but her ethics most certainly would be in question.  Still, this is nothing but conjecture which is all the more reason for Wilson-Raybauld to break her silence.

[Gordon L]

What a blessing it would be for Canada to use her experience and expertise for the benefit of our great land. 

[August1991]

5 hours ago, mowich said:

There could be many 'bad guys' involved, August.  Is Wilson-Raybauld one of them?  I don't think so.  I merely question the fact that she continued to act as AG until demoted to Veteran's Affairs if it does come out that the PMO tried to pressure her. She wouldn't be considered a 'bad ' person for doing so, but her ethics most certainly would be in question.  Still, this is nothing but conjecture which is all the more reason for Wilson-Raybauld to break her silence.

Make no mistake, our current PM "dissed", disrespected, an otherwise smart, respectable person.

He referred to her as "Jody".

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For the federal Liberal Party, this is a scandal far well beyond the usage of first names, it's rather: peut-on se tutoie ?

Edited February 14, 2019 by August1991

[Dougie93]

8 hours ago, mowich said:

Trudeau may not have any leverage over her but she is still bound by client confidentiality no matter whether remains with the party or not - whether in cabinet or not.  This I believe is why she hired such a high-powered lawyer.  She needs one.

I don't think it's Trudeau, the solicitor client privilege is for the government writ large, I doubt Trudeau is the one who personally strong armed her, I think it was Butts and Telford, the whole PMO is the client, they all have the claim of privilege.

[Dougie93]

8 hours ago, mowich said:

If the PMO did not cross the line and put pressure on the former AG, why then was she demoted?  No harm. No fail.

I would bet that the PMO did cross the line, I just don't think PM's do their own dirty work, they send flunkies to do things which might be illegal.

[Dougie93]

8 hours ago, August1991 said:

And Dougie93, you're an idiot.

Not at all, Churchill is a well documented Imperialist, militarist and military adventurer, who reveled in war. Warmonger in the classical sense.

In 1914 Churchill was part of a Liberal coalition government which wanted to stay out of the dispute on the continent.

Churchill insisted that if they did not enter the war in the name of Belgian Neutrality, Churchill would cross the floor to the Tories causing the government to fall.

In order to save their government the Liberals caved into Churchill's demand to charge into what was a that point; only Franco-Prussian War II on the continent.

When Britain, as the Global Hegemon, entered the war, it went global to fight the British Empire,  and in the process became the First World War.

Ergo,  Churchill the warmonger who incited the First World War.

/proven

Edited February 14, 2019 by Dougie93

[August1991]

10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

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Ergo,  Churchill the warmonger who incited the First World War.

/proven

As I noted Dougie93, you're an idiot.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, August1991 said:

As I noted Dougie93, you're an idiot.

I just provided you  logically cogent proof of my assertion.  The idiot is the one who cannot come up with a cogent response, which of course an ad hominem is not.

[August1991]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

I just provided you  logically cogent proof of my assertion.  The idiot is the one who cannot come up with a cogent response, which of course an ad hominem is not.

We are far from whether Raybould will cross the floor. I think that she will. She has left cabinet.

Churchill crossed the floor twice, I believe.

But Dougie93, you will still be a clueless idiot tomorrow morning.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, August1991 said:

We are far from whether Raybould will cross the floor. I think that she will. She has left cabinet.

Churchill crossed the floor twice, I believe.

But Dougie93, you will still be a clueless idiot tomorrow morning.

You are the one who brought Churchill into the conversation.   Your initial post about Churchill, Nixon, and Reagan, was prattle.  I was simply correcting the historical record.

Tomorrow morning I will be a wealthy man of means with a cogent analysis of the incitement of a Franco-Prussian War into World War, and how it was Churchill who done it.

You will plausibly not have come up with a cogent response by then neither.

[Dougie93]

You're also wrong about Raybould, she's too much of a leftist to ever work for Scheer.

[Dougie93]

In terms of hiring Thomas Cromwell, I don't think Raybould really needs advice, she knows the law and it's not that complex in this case.

Cromwell is for intimidation.  It's clear the Liberals are going to fight this and fight dirty.

She's just bringing in a former Supreme Court Justice to the ring to send a message that she is ready to fight and she's got the law on her side.

 

 

[Dougie93]

As Mark Twain said; "a good lawyer knows the law, a clever lawyer takes the judge to lunch"

[scribblet]

Just thinking that it was a good think Robert Fife broke this story rather than say the Rebel as it would've been immediately  shut down as "fake news"  by the Trudeau gov't which has decided it is in charge of  deciding what is fake and what isn't.    

[Centerpiece]

On 2/13/2019 at 5:57 PM, mowich said:

If Wilson-Raybauld was indeed put under pressure to use her influence in the SNC Lavalin trial by the PMO she was duty bound to come forward immediately.  As yet there is no factual evidence to support the allegations.  Never-the-less, it beggars belief that nothing  happened else why the demotion?  

While I find all the negative comments by anonymous sources regarding Wilson-Raybauld to be cheap shots by cowards unwillingly to go on record, I also am disturbed to see activist natives trying to make this all about indigenous issues.  It isn't.  Nor is it a 'feminist' issue as some are trying to evince. This is simply about a major company in Canada being charged with bribery and accusations that the PMO tried to influence the AG to intervene on their behalf.  Where I wonder would be the hue and cry had the AG been Japanese, Chinese, Nigerian or any ethnicity other indigenous.  The FNs are doing themselves no favours by trying to make this all about them.  It is not. 

The biggest cog in this wheel is Wilson-Raybauld.  We need to hear her side of this ever-growing story.  The sooner she is heard from the better. 

You forgot one "ethnicity".....she's a woman. Put a man in her position and I can pretty well guarantee that you would not have heard the cat-calling that's been going on - belatedly and finally being toned down by the Liberal Party. What a mess - and one they created and fueled themselves.

[betsy]

I don't think she'll cross the floor, but she might sit as an independent.  i think that'll happen just before she finally talks.     She must be waiting for the proper timing to sit out as an independent, and to talk - timing it to the coming election. 

  She has an ax to grind with Trudeau.....she'll hurt him as best she can, especially during his campaign!  She'd given a sample of this when she abruptly resigned from cabinet after Trudeau's statement to the press that she's still in cabinet.  She threw that statement right smack to his face.   This scandal will be alive during the election campaigns!   She'll make sure of that.  

 

Yeheeeey for Jody!  Expose the liars!

Edited February 15, 2019 by betsy