Saudi Arabia expells Canadian ambassador

[betsy]

3 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Kicking the Saudis out of Canada would be a great move in my view.  Why is this met with such resistance by certain members here?

Yooohooo?   haven't you heard?  They'd kicked us out already.   And......we didn't even get the satisfaction of kicking out their ambassador!  They told him to get out of Canada! Lol.

 

Anyway.....how come Trudeau and Freeland never did used that as a leverage?   If KSA doesn't free the activists - we'll kick you out? Why?

 

Who among here are resisting that we kick them out?  Not me. 

And while we're at it.......why not rip up that arms deal contract?   And, don't buy their oil!

Only a few thousand Canadians will lose their jobs - heck, we're on a roll!  I can live with the consequence.  Can Trudeau and his government live with it? 

Edited August 9, 2018 by betsy

[betsy]

13 minutes ago, Wilber said:

I think I understood it pretty well.

 

 

 

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The poor Badawis must be getting tortured round the clock now in that Saudi prison - being the "cause" of all these, you know.

 These self-serving politicians don't care at all that their big tweets would likely have severe repercussions on those that are at the mercy of a brutal regime!

 

 

Yeah?  explain to me how you understand it.  How did you ever get that the Sauids are being forced to torture them?

There.  I highlighted the key-phrase.

Edited August 9, 2018 by betsy

[Wilber]

My guess is the conciliation process is already underway. You keep buying our oil,  we will buy your tanks.

[Wilber]

Just now, betsy said:

Yeah?  explain to me how you understand it.  How did you ever get that the Sauids are being forced to torture them?

It's pretty clear. Do you even read your own crap? 

[betsy]

Just now, Wilber said:

It's pretty clear. Do you even read your own crap? 

I was editing.  Read my latest post again.

How did you ever translated that the Saudis ARE BEING FORCED TO TORTURE them?

[Wilber]

Just now, betsy said:

I was editing.  Read my latest post again.

How did you ever translated that the Saudis ARE BEING FORCED TO TORTURE them?

You blame their torture on Canadian tweets. Pathetic.

[betsy]

1 minute ago, Wilber said:

You blame their torture on Canadian tweets. Pathetic.

So.....you can't explain it, eh?   That's what I thought.

 

 

[Wilber]

1 minute ago, betsy said:

So.....you can't explain it, eh?   That's what I thought.

 

 

Still pathetic Betsy. 

[eyeball]

21 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

If I had to allot blame it would be 90% for the Saudis. They are behaving hysterically with a completely disproportionate response. If the West stood together such extortion would not even be tried by these tyrannies. 

Tyranny is in a possession of a new updated respectability these days - like racism.

It's that economics virtue thingy - probably related to realpolitik or something.

[Argus]

22 hours ago, Wilber said:

It's interesting that Trump can tweet whatever crap he wants about anyone, anything or any country and that's just great with his apologists, but when a Canadian official makes a valid comment about human rights abuses, it's another story completely. Hypocrisy  personified.

What about those of us who think Trump is a moron for his tweets and also think Freeland is a moron for using twitter to scold the Saudis?

[eyeball]

19 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

I dunno, maybe because Saudi's are carving up our economy like it's so much halal? 

Our grandparents sacrificed some 25% of their GDP in the fight against tyranny. I don't know, perhaps your grandparents were fighting for the other side.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's that economics virtue thingy - probably related to realpolitik or something.

 

That's right...the United States executed 23 prisoners in 2017, but I didn't see one tweet from these "human rights" boobsie twins, Trudeau or Freeland.   

Quite to the contrary, they are begging to keep NAFTA going with the USA.

[Argus]

3 hours ago, GostHacked said:

No I am holding them accountable for their hypocritical stances.  Getting rid of Assad is GOOD, but getting rid of the Saudis is BAD. When both act the same fucking way.

Not really fair. A home grown 'arab spring' type revolt was what started the war against Assad. Until then the west wasn't doing much of anything towards him.

Now after witnessing all the brutality and violence and finding there is no side her to side with the West has shrugged helplessly. It does not want to see the same thing mirrored in Saudi Arabia. As I said earlier, there is no group that is likely to take over from the Saudi family other than a Taliban like group who are much worse. So what is the end game in trying to dislodge the Saud family?

[eyeball]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

That's right...the United States executed 23 prisoners in 2017, but I didn't see one tweet from these "human rights" boobsie twins, Trudeau or Freeland.  

You didn't get the memo from the Pope?

[Argus]

19 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

I dunno, maybe because Saudi's are carving up our economy like it's so much halal? 

The Saudi impact on our economy will be negligible. They are a flea bite at worst.

[Argus]

18 hours ago, Wilber said:

We trade more with the US in two days than we do with the Saudis in a whole year. 

And most of the trade with them is buying their oil.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

You didn't get the memo from the Pope?

 

The Pope is smarter than Dumb and Dumber (Trudeau and Freeland).

[Argus]

17 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Wrong wrong wrong.  Trudeau and Freeland are in the right on this.  How dare you stand up for the Saudis against Canada on this. 

They are in the right in their condemnation of what the Saudis have done but in the wrong in how they went about it. 

[Argus]

7 hours ago, capricorn said:

I don't think Trudeau has the stamina, physically and emotionally,  to get his ass over to Riyadh to repair the relationship. It requires more brains for face to face diplomacy than jogging shirtless and marching in pride parades.

There is no way we can apologize. The tweet was indiscrete, but their reaction was far too hysterical and ridiculous and amounts to an unjustified attack on Canada. No Canadian politician would apologize given their attitude. 

But let's be clear about two things here. First, the tweet was not intended to help the people in Saudi Arabia. It was not intended to persuade the Saudis to do anything. It's sole purpose was virtue signaling to a Canadian audience. The only way to influence the Saudis is quietly, behind closed doors, out of the public eye.

Second, their response is much less about Canada than it is about the prince showing everyone in SA what a big, tough, strong man he is. And giving a message to other countries to shut up about open criticism of SA human rights. Canada is as inconsequential to SA as they are to us. So we were a safe target, and Freeland's tweet made us a handy and timely target. As someone posted, either here or elsewhere, the prince had recently been embarrassingly overruled by his father on the issue of Israel and Jerusalem, who he had been trying to make an accommodation with. His tough-boy actions against Canada will signal his critics in SA that they better not mess with him, and help distract them from his embarrassing smackdown by dad. 

Edited August 9, 2018 by Argus

[bush_cheney2004]

Dear Justin and Chrystia,

The evil United States is going to execute more prisoners in 2018.

Please save them with your powerful Canadian values and virtue signaling like you have in Saudi Arabia.

...use America's social media like Twitter if you can't do any better than that.

Love,

U.S. Death Row Inmates

[taxme]

22 hours ago, betsy said:

It's one thing to want to do something for this family - or even if it's all about human rights, whther by LGBT or females -  but the government handled it improperly.  By making demands such as the way it was worded, would a country like Saudi Arabia cower in fear, and promptly comply?

I blame our government for this.   

I wonder what the world would be like to live in today if we the people were asked first as to what should be done rather than having to pay badly later for allowing our dear foolish leaders to speak on our behalf first which always appears in the end to get we the people into big time screw ups? Our dear leaders will never listen to we the people first but always prefer to listen to the globalist bankster elites and special interest groups who do not have the interest of we the people at heart. With them it's always just about the money and the power and screw we the people.

Indeed. Government "IS" the problem". The government(politicians)create problems and then they have to go about wasting billions of tax dollars to try and straighten out the messy pile of manure that they got us walking into too that they all created in the first place.  

This is why Canada should have Citizen Initiated Referendums and the Right to Recall like they have in Switzerland and many states in America where we the people will get the say first and not our dear foolish leaders. But if we the people wait for the government to ever try and implement such a concept we might as well wait until hell freezes over. But it will be the we the people who should demand this by the millions. For now it is only a dream for me to ever see this happen. Most Canadians are pretty much clueless as to what freedom of speech is all about. They appear to want the government to tell them as to what kinds of free speech that we are allowed to have and what not to have. 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Wow some of the board members here astound me.

With all the complaining about radical Islam, you'd figure that the people that oppose Islam (radical or not) would welcome this move by Trudeau. But that does not seem to be the case, instead the move is to insult Trudeau and continue to support a brutal Islamic dictatorship like Saudi Arabia.

Kicking the Saudis out of Canada would be a great move in my view.  Why is this met with such resistance by certain members here?

I'm reminded of a picture of the debris spinning away from a sub-atomic particle collision.  Some of its predictable but sometimes you never know what the hell you'll see.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, turningrite said:

But assuming he can limit the damage and prevent the cancellation of a large military contract

Lets hope he makes it worse then. I think cancelling that would be great news.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, eyeball said:

Lets hope he makes it worse then. I think cancelling that would be great news.

 

In the immortal words of John Oliver, "DO IT !!!!"

C'mon Justin Trudeau, put Ontario's blood money where your mouth is....cancel the Saudi LAV contract.

Be brave !!   Show the world that your "Canadian values" cannot be bought....LOL !

[taxme]

22 hours ago, Wilber said:

No, it's just one more incident that shows you Saudis don't give a shit about civilized behaviour.

We don't have much business with the Saudis other than buying their oil and selling them arms. Our grain sales to them are a tiny part of our total grain exports.

Apparently the rest of the world does not seem to mind those Arabs that allows them to carry on with their uncivilized barbaric 10th century backwards religion and behavior and their war Islamic government which is spreading many wars in the Arab world. The world went after South African apartheid and got rid of it so why cannot the same thing be done to Saudi Arabia also? I guess the white people of South Africa did not have enough clout in the world to be able to be ignored for their apartheid. 

From my understanding doesn't Canada produce it's own oil? So why does our government need to continue to buy anymore oil from them at all. Let our portion of the oil that we buy from them stay in the ground. By Canada buying their oil we are all contributing to what this barbaric country and religion and of their promoting violence around most of the world. We do not need no stinkin' Saudi Arabia.  Works for me.