Altai Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) I am going to share statistics, comparisons and contradictions about anything under this topic. Sources: https://cnn.it/2L1jCEhhttps://bit.ly/2LhnTCU Edited July 17, 2018 by Altai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesHackerMP Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 I cannot read the second link, it's in Turkish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Mayers Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 (edited) The U.S. has a population of 1% Muslims [Islam in the United States] where Turkey has 0.2% of Christian churches [Turkey's Declining Christian Population], all denominations. There are 2106 total Mosques in the U.S. [List of Mosques in the U.S.]; there are 14 Churches of Christianity in all of Turkey! [Christianity in Turkey] If we presume each church and mosque hold equivalent quantities of people and that these Holy places represent all of these communities, then 63Mosques/2106totalMosques = 0.0299 = 2.99% of Muslims in U.S. Mosques discriminated against,...rounded up to 3%. Now multiply this by ALL of the percentages of Muslims in the U.S. and you have: 3% x 1% = 0.03/100 x 1/100 = 0.03/10000 = 0.0003/100 or 0.0003% of Muslims discriminated in the U.S. relative to the total of all Americans. 1Church/14totalChurches = 0.07 = 7% of Churches in Turkey. Now multiply this by ALL of the percentages of Christians in Turkey and you have: 7% x 0.2% = 7/100 x 0.2/100 = 1.4/10000 =0.014/100 or 0.014% of Christians discriminated in Turkey relative to the total of all Turkish. Comparing: 0.0003: 0.014 = 3:140 That is, for every 140 Christians targeted by non-Christians in Turkey, only 3 Muslims are targeted by non-Muslims in the U.S. Edited July 28, 2018 by Scott Mayers placed links to make more readable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 4 hours ago, JamesHackerMP said: I cannot read the second link, it's in Turkish. Did the Google Translate, and it's about an attack on a church - no overall statistics. Here's this though: https://www.christiantoday.com/article/turkey-catholic-church-suffers-second-attack-this-year/127147.htm Quote A Catholic church in Trabzon, Turkey has suffered its second attack this year. A gun-attack this week followed a failed pipe bomb at Saint Maria Catholic Church. There have been no causalities but locals have warned that anti-Christian hate crimes are on the rise, with little concern from authorities. So good for Atlai for at least trying to put some numbers to something, bad for Atlai for falling flat on her face with an error rate of at least 100% and counting. Try try again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Mayers Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 Altai, I understand and agree that statistics get abused. But as you see above, your own actual numbers when compared appropriately prove that the opposite of your point is true and by a far more problematic number. I used your exact numbers above to prove this. What you miss by the rhetoric is that 0.2% was rounded up to 1% by innuendo. Your stat mentioned that 99% of Muslims exist in Turkey but it doesn't say how many OF the remaining 1% are actually Christian. In the U.S., the actual statistic IS 1% and so that IS still correct. When you round off 0.2% of Christians in the same way, 0% is the only possible way to compare, not 1%. 0.2 is closer to 0% than to 1%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 12 minutes ago, Scott Mayers said: 63Mosques/2106totalMosques = 0.0299 = 2.99% of Muslims in U.S. Mosques discriminated against,...rounded up to 3%. Now multiply this by ALL of the percentages of Muslims in the U.S. and you have: 3% x 1% = 0.03/100 x 1/100 = 0.03/10000 = 0.0003/100 or 0.0003% of Muslims discriminated in the U.S. relative to the total of all Americans. 1Church/14totalChurches = 0.07 = 7% of Churches in Turkey. Now multiply this by ALL of the percentages of Christians in Turkey and you have: 7% x 0.2% = 7/100 x 0.2/100 = 1.4/10000 =0.014/100 or 0.014% of Christians discriminated in Turkey relative to the total of all Turkish. Comparing: 0.0003: 0.014 = 3:140 That is, for every 140 Christians targeted by non-Christians in Turkey, only 3 Muslims are targeted by non-Muslims in the U.S. It looks like you compared the ratios but not the total population of people in those countries. In that case the final answer "140" persons can't be valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Mayers Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: It looks like you compared the ratios but not the total population of people in those countries. In that case the final answer "140" persons can't be valid. No, I used the percentages and so did not need to use the actual numbers of all people. When you use stats relating to percentages on both sides, there is no need to specify the actual number. If you need a better explanation I can go step by step through it. But it is all above. Just take your time to read it carefully. NOTE: one rhetorical trick by politicians is to use the literal numbers when they are largely contrasting to a small number when the large number is of fewer overall percentages and the small number is of a larger percentage. EXAMPLE: If you want to make crime rates seem greater than they are, you can point to the literal quantity increase of crimes ignoring that the population of that stat has increased much greater. So the increased apparent number may actually have a decreased percentage of the new total numbers. Edited July 28, 2018 by Scott Mayers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Mayers Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 Imagine you are one of two kids of your parents and that you now are grown up and have ten kids of your own. When arguing one day with your parents about how abusive they were against you while treating your sibling oppositely, your parents agree but then assert that you have an increase of 100% that abuse and so are worse than they were. Given you were the only one of two abused by your parents, you can be sure that 50% of your parents kids were abused. But their apparent argument falls flat when you agree with them that you are at fault too by increasing the total number of children abused: from 1 person to 2 is 100%. But 2 of your children abused is only 20%, an actual decrease in overall percentage. So, while both of you are wrong for being abusive, AND you agree to the same numbers, your parents are at fault if they think that the fact you are more relatively abusive when you actually improved on your parent's performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted July 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 On 7/28/2018 at 4:02 PM, Scott Mayers said: The U.S. has a population of 1% Muslims [Islam in the United States] where Turkey has 0.2% of Christian churches [Turkey's Declining Christian Population], all denominations. There are 2106 total Mosques in the U.S. [List of Mosques in the U.S.]; there are 14 Churches of Christianity in all of Turkey! [Christianity in Turkey] There are 349 churches in Turkiye. Source: http://www.agos.com.tr/tr/yazi/2664/bozdag-turkiyede-349-kilise-var Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted July 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 On 7/28/2018 at 4:16 PM, Scott Mayers said: Altai, I understand and agree that statistics get abused. But as you see above, your own actual numbers when compared appropriately prove that the opposite of your point is true and by a far more problematic number. I used your exact numbers above to prove this. What you miss by the rhetoric is that 0.2% was rounded up to 1% by innuendo. Your stat mentioned that 99% of Muslims exist in Turkey but it doesn't say how many OF the remaining 1% are actually Christian. In the U.S., the actual statistic IS 1% and so that IS still correct. When you round off 0.2% of Christians in the same way, 0% is the only possible way to compare, not 1%. 0.2 is closer to 0% than to 1%. Now calculate it again and write it here or I will simply put you in my ignore list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 Altai's ignore list is now the main project being undertaken by the great publishing houses of Ursa Minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Mayers Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 16 hours ago, Altai said: Now calculate it again and write it here or I will simply put you in my ignore list. I challenge your own superior skills at reasoning to figure it out. I took numbers from the sources as demonstrated AND with your own FAITH of what another had spoken of without yourself knowing enough about the statistics. If you sincerely want anyone's intellectual feedback, you can't threaten them when you're proven at fault for some argument . I'd have further attempted to calculate this too with your own different data and now you are left to present the mathematical argument yourself. Since you have fault with the source of my own statistics (using 12 churches), then challenge THAT source in argument, not present alternative ones. It reduces to a he-said-she-said if you can't explain why that source you distrust is wrong and why your own is better. My math above was correct GIVEN the sources I quoted. And there is no other way to prove anything more for either of us if we can't KNOW the accuracy of which source is more trustworthy or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted August 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) Sources: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Di5Fcx3XcAEjoL1.jpg:largehttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/Di5F4ZeXsAAnqEq.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/Di5GXCqXgAEyRNc.jpg:largehttps://www.verfassungsschutz.de/de/oeffentlichkeitsarbeit/publikationen/verfassungsschutzberichte/vsbericht-2017 Edited August 1, 2018 by Altai 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted September 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 Every 98 second an American citizen is sexually assaulted and big part of assaults are not even reported. Source: https://www.rainn.org/statistics/scope-problemhttps://www.sacl.com.au/https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesHackerMP Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) That happens in a lot of countries Not that that excuses it of course, but I dont see why you're singling out the US for that. What are the stats for that in Turkey? Edited October 9, 2018 by JamesHackerMP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted October 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 65% of women working in Silicon Valley are sexually disturbed by their male co-workers.https://www.dw.com/en/google-48-employees-fired-for-sexual-misconduct/a-46050681 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 People receive "unwanted sexual advances" all the time. People are sexual in nature and solicit for sex all the time. That is how babies get made, you know. Besides, all one has to do is say "No" whenever this happens, and that's all there is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 Do (some of) the churches in Turkey involve in terrorist activities against the state and population of Turkey. No I did'n"t think so. Do some mosques in the US involve in terrorist activities against the state and population. Yes I think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 On 10/26/2018 at 4:09 AM, Altai said: 65% of women working in Silicon Valley are sexually disturbed by their male co-workers.https://www.dw.com/en/google-48-employees-fired-for-sexual-misconduct/a-46050681 So you are claiming that women working in Turkey or other muslim states (if they are considered human to allow to work or drive or wear what they choose) are not being sexually harassed?? Or there lacks statistics because of cover ups or widespread harassment (being a normal thing and part of the job in muslim countries)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted October 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 You dont have to apologize for someones, these are just statistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 On 10/27/2018 at 2:14 PM, Altai said: You dont have to apologize for someones, these are just statistics. A famous saying is "there are lies, damned lies, and there are statistics". It means there are three levels, each more evil than the next, and statistics are the very worst. When comparing statistics from now to long ago, we must consider if other factors have made the reporting incidence go up. These factors are basic to the understanding of any statistics. Another interesting development with statistics occurred in a poll, when people were asked questions about their opinions or preferences, they tended to lie and not admit their true feelings. This especially occurred if the person asking the questions could see them face to face, or in a phone call. People lied because they did not want other people to know what they really think. However, when they were given anonymity such as in the act of voting, they chose to vote more honestly because it was done in private. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted November 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) Google workers quits job World wide to protest injustice against female workers. Workers blame Google for hiding sexual offences against female workers. This happens in one of the most popular Western companies, lets imagine the streets.https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/01/google-employees-walk-out-in-protest-of-sexual-misconduct-handling.html Edited November 1, 2018 by Altai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesHackerMP Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) One can only imagine how bad it is in other countries....like Turkey. Do you have statistics for your own country? Edited November 2, 2018 by JamesHackerMP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted November 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 Each US drone attacks in Pakistan murders at least 6.6 civilians on average. https://indianexpress.com/article/world/2714-people-killed-in-409-us-drone-attacks-in-pakistan-since-january-2004-report-5439052/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted November 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) Western countries keep staying silent or keep rejecting the murder of Saudi journalist in Turkiye. After long-standing efforts of US state officials to ignore the murder, now France Ministry of Foreign Affairs rejects the murder. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/turkey-rejects-french-accusation-of-khashoggi-game-playing-10922108 LoL as I said always, Western people are brainwashed to think that they have a free media and they have freedom of speech. You dont have any freedom when it starts to disturb your govts. Democracy is the apple candy in your hands and it has zero affect other than satisfying your personal ego. Edited November 12, 2018 by Altai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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