?Impact Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Goddess said: You're one of those people who think the charter rights are the most important thing and should be upheld no matter if the person is an active terrorist and hates Canada. So you want Canada to open a Guantanamo Bay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Goddess said: Yes, yes. Charter rights, charter rights. You're one of those people who think the charter rights are the most important thing and should be upheld no matter if the person is an active terrorist and hates Canada. I'm one of those people who sees a huge flaw here that needs to be dealt with. Otherwise we'll go broke paying off terrorists. But do go on about the rights of terrorists being the most important thing to Canada, not safety or security. If you can prove someone is an active terrorist that's one thing, if you can't, you can't base court proceedings on hunches. I totally agree safety/security are high on my priority list as well, but it's maybe a bit ironic that it was the US who locked him up illegally and Canada that finally corrected that and I think the stats are quite clear we are much safer here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Omni said: I think the stats are quite clear we are much safer here. I don't think we'll be safer for much longer with a government that is soft on terrorism and appoints judges who know how to use our flawed charter to get terrorists not just off, but also get them paid millions. Just the other day there was a bunch of fake calls put in that required RCMP precense and lockdowns at Edmonton and Toronto hospitals. Someone is checking response times....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Goddess said: I don't think we'll be safer for much longer with a government that is soft on terrorism and appoints judges who know how to use our flawed charter to get terrorists not just off, but also get them paid millions. Just the other day there was a bunch of fake calls put in that required RCMP precense and lockdowns at Edmonton and Toronto hospitals. Someone is checking response times....... If the US military had of tried Khadr in a proper court and had strong enough evidence to convict, then they wouldn't likely have offered a plea deal and Khadr would still be in a US jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 Concerning costs: $11 million US per detainee at Guantanamo Bay - per year $10.5 million Canadian for Khdar - one time only Perhaps we should be seeing compensation in amount of $11 million a year from the US government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted February 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Goddess said: I don't think we'll be safer for much longer with a government that is soft on terrorism and appoints judges who know how to use our flawed charter to get terrorists not just off, but also get them paid millions. Just the other day there was a bunch of fake calls put in that required RCMP precense and lockdowns at Edmonton and Toronto hospitals. Someone is checking response times....... I read that trudeau made Khadr's lawyer a judge, talk about poking canadians in the eye. And now he is blaming the indian government, saying that they sabotaged his trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted February 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Omni said: If the US military had of tried Khadr in a proper court and had strong enough evidence to convict, then they wouldn't likely have offered a plea deal and Khadr would still be in a US jail. What rights did we fail on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 42 minutes ago, PIK said: I read that trudeau made Khadr's lawyer a judge, talk about poking canadians in the eye. So you are saying we saying we should judge lawyers by who they represent? The legal system is only to benefit those we like? I have no background on his lawyer, but it seems that nobody out there making noise does either. The worst judicial appointment in world history was Vic Toews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, ?Impact said: I have no background on his lawyer, His career has been defending terrorists. He seeks them out. I don't see that that makes him a great candidate for a judge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Goddess said: His career has been defending terrorists. He seeks them out. I don't see that that makes him a great candidate for a judge. Great, can we have an entire list of who he has defended. You obviously know that because you speak with such authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Goddess said: I don't think we'll be safer for much longer with a government that is soft on terrorism and appoints judges who know how to use our flawed charter to get terrorists not just off, but also get them paid millions. To add, said lawyers get a cut of the millions paid by taxpayers to the poor misunderstood terrorists. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 Just now, ?Impact said: Great, can we have an entire list of who he has defended. You obviously know that because you speak with such authority. It's my opinion based on what I've read about his career. You're the one who said you don't know anything about him - go find out. Like I did. I'm not your Google. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 Just now, Goddess said: It's my opinion based on what I've read about his career. I see, so in other words you know no more about him that I do. That is fine, and it is fine to have an opinion. I am just pointing out that an uniformed opinion is just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, ?Impact said: I see, so in other words you know no more about him that I do. That is fine, and it is fine to have an opinion. I am just pointing out that an uniformed opinion is just that. I did the work of Googling his career choices and I'm the one who is "uninformed"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 2 hours ago, ?Impact said: So you want Canada to open a Guantanamo Bay? Canada already had security certificates and unlimited detention centers....years before the U.S. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/security-certificates-and-secret-evidence-1.777624 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, PIK said: What rights did we fail on? No access to council, pleas induced by torture, being tried in a non legal kangaroo court are the main ones I can think of off hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted February 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, Omni said: No access to council, pleas induced by torture, being tried in a non legal kangaroo court are the main ones I can think of off hand. By canadians or americans? My understanding the only thing canada did was share some info with the americans. I am sure if this went to court he would get no where near 10m. A little we are sorry money, but that would be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 minute ago, PIK said: I am sure if this went to court he would get no where near 10m. Could you cite the cases upon which you base that claim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, PIK said: By canadians or americans? My understanding the only thing canada did was share some info with the americans. I am sure if this went to court he would get no where near 10m. A little we are sorry money, but that would be it. Both Canadians and Americans. Info was passed to Canada which was illegally obtained. He was also charged under a law that didn't even exist at the time of his alleged crime. Lots of legal issues. And had it gone to court the settlement would likely have been higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 Why didn't Trudeau appoint an "aboriginal" instead ? Surely that identity politics group has suffered far more at the hands of Canadian governments (including scooped babies, torture, sexual assault, and murder). Alas, they never get $10.5 million in settlements...more like $25,000. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 50 minutes ago, Goddess said: I did the work of Googling his career choices and I'm the one who is "uninformed"? Did you know he has been practicing law for 25 years? Do you know that he specializes in criminal, constitutional and national security law? Do you know that he has been teaching law at UofT for almost 20 years? Do you know that he is one of very very lawyers to get the necessary high level security required for security certificate proceedings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Why didn't Trudeau appoint an "aboriginal" instead ? He has to pander to the Muslims and Sihks right now. Give him a break - he's getting to them all eventually. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 minute ago, ?Impact said: Did you know he has been practicing law for 25 years? Do you know that he specializes in criminal, constitutional and national security law? Do you know that he has been teaching law at UofT for almost 20 years? Do you know that he is one of very very lawyers to get the necessary high level security required for security certificate proceedings? YAY! And now you know all that, too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Goddess said: He has to pander to the Muslims and Sihks right now. Give him a break - he's getting to them all eventually. So is the convicted war criminal vote bigger than the "aboriginal" vote for Liberals ? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 27 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So is the convicted war criminal vote bigger than the "aboriginal" vote for Liberals ? "Convicted"? By who, gitmo kanga court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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