War enthusiasts, come in please

[xul]

Watch my video. 100% satisfaction guarantee----Nuclear War awaits  

 

[xul]

Initially, when I was conceiving the plot of the video, it was just a joke to make fun of the event. I gave President Trump the role no more or less than a jester or a clown. The video was supposed to end up at President Trump in his rage because Island Binomo disappeared.

But when I began to seek ingredients of the video, I mean the video clips to fit the plot, I watched some Trump's speeches and I think he had, partially, convinced me on the fake news part. So I decided to give President Trump a more positive role in the video, to put some political meaning to the video, by using Trump's "fake news speech" at the ending.

Fake news is more harmful to a nation than its president used to put his hands on women's butts. A joke for example:

Army Guy has eventually got the F-35 which he has been ranting on for years. So I guess your fanboys and fangirls of wars all will want him to fly the plane to Afghanistan this afternoon to to win the unwinnable war.

But, unfortunately, the plane is a secondhand one which is bought from Kijiji because the Canadian Liberal PM has hacked off some of its budget to build a luxurious refugee camp----you know that every time when these F-16s, CF-18s and now F-35s rolls out to bomb something, the refugees will come in sooner or later.

So, the F-35 which Army Guy is meant to fly, has a defective radar and datalink which always give the pilot false information like, if enemy is in the east the radar display will show it is on the west.

Would you expect Army Guy to shoot down an old MiG-23 by this F-35?

Edited February 19, 2018 by xul

[August1991]

War enthusiasts? What an utterly stupid OP, xul.

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About 50,000 Canadians died in World War II, a battle far from our shores. (As it happens, I know of one Canadian who died in France.)

These young men took crazy risks. xul, have you ever wondered why they did this? 

[xul]

6 hours ago, August1991 said:

War enthusiasts? What an utterly stupid OP, xul.

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About 50,000 Canadians died in World War II, a battle far from our shores. (As it happens, I know of one Canadian who died in France.)

These young men took crazy risks. xul, have you ever wondered why they did this? 

If you had ever considered what millions of German and Japanese soldiers died for during WW2,  in France, Russia, China, the bottom of the Pacific Ocean and the Atlantic Ocean....far away from their homeland, you would not think I was so stupid.

To those French and English soldiers who died in the Seven Years' War in North America, what did they die for? For political correctness?  LOL, it seems like there were at least two versions of political correctness then.(Please forgive me not mentioning Spanish, Aboriginal and other parties.)

Even if some of them truly died for this reason, when their souls are watching present Canada or America from heaven,  they would find they had put their faith on false political gods then and the true value of their death is merely to inspire Hollywood film makers to make movies like Pirates of Caribbean to make billions $ GDP.

Edited February 20, 2018 by xul

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, xul said:

Even if some of them truly died for this reason, when their souls are watching present Canada or America from heaven,  they would find they had put their faith on false political gods then and the true value of their death is merely to inspire Hollywood film makers to make movies like Pirates of Caribbean to make billions $ GDP.

This thread is inscrutable, which means "impossible to understand".

I don't know what is being stated in the OP, nor what the objections are or the reasons for objecting.  

Why don't you just start a new thread ?

[xul]

On 20/02/2018 at 11:49 AM, Michael Hardner said:

This thread is inscrutable, which means "impossible to understand".

I don't know what is being stated in the OP, nor what the objections are or the reasons for objecting.  

Why don't you just start a new thread ?

 

August1991 implied that Canadian boys joined army in ww2 just for some good reason like promoting democracy, freedom or righteousness.....they hadn't a drop of war enthusiast blood in their veins.

So I asked him what those French and English soldiers fought for in the Seven Years War? Obviously you can not find a party of the war to play bad guy like Nazi in WW2, and without a bad guy logically there were also no good guys in the war.

Still on both side there were soldiers who joined the war for believing they fought for righteousness. If the souls of the dead in the war were watching the present world,  they would feel their sacrifice meaningless because old countrymen had betrayed their country and old enemy had become their new countrymen. The righteousness (for king and country stuff?) which they once put faith in is just void.

We have to admit, human beings have these wars because they have war enthusiast gene in their blood. Righteousness is just their excuse to do what they want to do. So no need to be shame of being a war enthusiast. This is my point.

Edited February 21, 2018 by xul

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

This thread is inscrutable, which means "impossible to understand".

I don't know what is being stated in the OP, nor what the objections are or the reasons for objecting.  
 

I thought it was about Star Wars, so I just ignored it.

[xul]

54 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I thought it was about Star Wars, so I just ignored it.

Star Wars are also wars which war enthusiasts always want. It is why each of these movie was able to sell  tickets of 1 to 2 billion $. Lots of war fans out there

[Guest]

Just now, xul said:

Star Wars are also wars which war enthusiasts always want. It is why each of these movie was able to sell  tickets of 1 to 2 billion $. Lots of war fans out there

Ha, not me.  The first one wasn't that good.

[xul]

30 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Ha, not me.  The first one wasn't that good.

There isn't too much difference between posting in this forum and killing in a battlefield.

The CNN boss (LOL) in the movie clip below knows this all the time.

Using his word:

The words are the new weapons. Satellites are the new artillery

And I add some for him:

Fake news are electronic warfare....

 

Edited February 21, 2018 by xul

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, xul said:

There isn't too much difference between posting in this forum and killing in a battlefield.

That's what I was hoping, but people keep arguing with me anyway...

[August1991]

On 2/20/2018 at 9:03 AM, xul said:

If you had ever considered what millions of German and Japanese soldiers died for during WW2...

 

Xul, by what folly did those German and Japanese soldiers die?

Trust me, in the 1940s, Canadian soldiers did not go abroad, risk their lives the same way as Germans and Japanese.

[Michael Hardner]

On 2/20/2018 at 10:00 PM, bcsapper said:

I thought it was about Star Wars, so I just ignored it.

I took the time to read it.  There's still nothing to hang your hat on in this thread.

 

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There isn't too much difference between posting in this forum and killing in a battlefield.

Remarkable.  

 

I think you can say anything in this thread and not make it any clearer.  It's like trying to multiply pi by an integer and hoping to get a rational number.

[xul]

On 2/23/2018 at 7:31 AM, Michael Hardner said:

I took the time to read it.  There's still nothing to hang your hat on in this thread.

 

Remarkable.  

 

I think you can say anything in this thread and not make it any clearer.  It's like trying to multiply pi by an integer and hoping to get a rational number.

My post in on the section of this forum which  is entitled "Arts and Culture".

As for arts, it is nothing wrong if you create something which is inscrutable for someone or everyone, like this:

 

"Inscrutable" also means everyone can interpret  a work of art by his or her won way, no need to care about the creator's original meaning or purpose. So you do can say anything in this "thread"  and the "" means there wasn't a certain "thread" or purpose in my mind when I post the video.

For example:

If our war loving fan Conservative Dude's twin sister Liberal Girl came in and asked me what was the video for, I would tell her it was a fake news making tutorial to help her making a journalism career...

 

[OftenWrong]

On 20/02/2018 at 11:49 AM, Michael Hardner said:

This thread is inscrutable, which means "impossible to understand".

I don't know what is being stated in the OP, nor what the objections are or the reasons for objecting.  

Most likely because we cannot cross the cultural divide, especially where humour is concerned. It's like watching Chinese cartoons without any context. You know there is a joke in there somewhere, but you have no point of reference. It's like swimming in deep water, in total darkness.
And that inspires me write a Haiku:
Swimming in the dark,
there is nothing to cling to.
This pool is too deep.

Edited February 26, 2018 by OftenWrong

[xul]

Great! U.S. Navy has joined the fake news party.

SOUTH CHINA SEA (Feb. 10, 2018) Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Wayne E. Meyer

Beside the photo, the website noted: 

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SOUTH CHINA SEA (Feb. 10, 2018) Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Wayne E. Meyer (DDG 108) transits the South China Sea. Carl Vinson Strike Group is currently operating in the Western Pacific as part of a regularly scheduled deployment. (U.S. Navy Photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Matthew Granito/Released)

The only problem is, the ship in the photo isn't an Arleigh Burke-Class destroyer. It is a PLA Navy type 052D destroyer

So, it seems like an U.S. navy officer could not distinguish an U.S. Navy destroyer with a Chinese one. But as a fan of photography, I think his photo is qualified to be a work of art, so I put it here. 

[xul]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Most likely because we cannot cross the cultural divide, especially where humour is concerned. It's like watching Chinese cartoons without any context. You know there is a joke in there somewhere, but you have no point of reference. It's like swimming in deep water, in total darkness.
And that inspires me write a Haiku:
Swimming in the dark,
there is nothing to cling to.
This pool is too deep.

I think the sense of humor depends more on an individual itself than which cultural the individual belongs. 

If you watch this video and read the comments under the video on YouTube, you will find that the Canadian PM may think he is fanny and cool, but obviously most of his countrymen do not share the same feeling with him. 

And if you try to find some Indians who applause to the Canadian PM on internet, you will be disappointed. I think most Indians share the same feeling with most Canadian---they don't think a PM acting like a jester or clown fanny, though their culture is quite different with Canadian.

 

Edited February 26, 2018 by xul

[xul]

On 2/23/2018 at 2:26 AM, August1991 said:

Xul, by what folly did those German and Japanese soldiers die?

Trust me, in the 1940s, Canadian soldiers did not go abroad, risk their lives the same way as Germans and Japanese.

Those German and Japanese soldiers probably died because they didn't have money to hire a good doctor to treat their bone spurs in their heels....

As for Canadian soldiers, maybe those you knew did join in the war for king and country, but I guess lots of others were just in for not having money to hire a good doctor either. This is why Canada need to introduce conscription in 1944. 

Besides, Canada only sent a few divisions into the war, so it was easy to find some fan boys to volunteer. If Canada needed hundreds of divisions and millions would die in the war like Germany and Japan,  you would find that Canada would even have fewer volunteers than German and Japanese.

Edited February 27, 2018 by xul

[August1991]

2 hours ago, xul said:

Besides, Canada only sent a few divisions into the war, so it was easy to find some fan boys to volunteer. If Canada needed hundreds of divisions and millions would die in the war like Germany and Japan,  you would find that Canada would even have fewer volunteers than German and Japanese.

This argument has always bothered me: Some 20 million Russians died in the war - far more than Americans or British.

Wait a second: Tolstoi wrote a long book about this "argument". His point? "Russia" did not defeat Napoleon. Individuals defeated an invasion.

Did Russia/Stalin defeat Nazi Germany? No, individual soldiers from Canada, Russia, France, the US did this.

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Xul, I recommend that you read Tolstoi's novel about Kutuzov. You can skip the chapter about the hunt.

Edited February 27, 2018 by August1991

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, August1991 said:

This argument has always bothered me: Some 20 million Russians died in the war - far more than Americans or British.

Wait a second: Tolstoi wrote a long book about this "argument". His point? "Russia" did not defeat Napoleon. Individuals defeated an invasion.

Did Russia/Stalin defeat Nazi Germany? No, individual soldiers from Canada, Russia, France, the US did this.

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Xul, I recommend that you read Tolstoi's novel about Kutuzov. You can skip the chapter about the hunt.

And in the past 50 years, people seem to have discovered that the pursuit of happiness included the right to choose to fight in some wars.  Even the Soviet Union had an "unpopular war" in Afghanistan.  

Still trying to figure out what this thread is about, though.  The idea seems to be that fierce nationalism is an asset, based on the fact that so many volunteered to help the axis countries.  Except that:

- The story ended with a well-known unhappy ending for Germany and Japan

- Both countries eventually roared back to lead world economies based on exporting and globalism

- The vestiges of xenophobia that remain are at odds with the outward-facing economic philosophy, and represent almost the only difficulties these countries face in management

If I might try to filter an interesting and scrutable question from this thread, it could be: whither globalism ?

[PIK]

On 2/20/2018 at 9:56 PM, xul said:

 

August1991 implied that Canadian boys joined army in ww2 just for some good reason like promoting democracy, freedom or righteousness.....they hadn't a drop of war enthusiast blood in their veins.

So I asked him what those French and English soldiers fought for in the Seven Years War? Obviously you can not find a party of the war to play bad guy like Nazi in WW2, and without a bad guy logically there were also no good guys in the war.

Still on both side there were soldiers who joined the war for believing they fought for righteousness. If the souls of the dead in the war were watching the present world,  they would feel their sacrifice meaningless because old countrymen had betrayed their country and old enemy had become their new countrymen. The righteousness (for king and country stuff?) which they once put faith in is just void.

We have to admit, human beings have these wars because they have war enthusiast gene in their blood. Righteousness is just their excuse to do what they want to do. So no need to be shame of being a war enthusiast. This is my point.

Boys joined the wars for adventure, but got a lot more than they expected.

[August1991]

On 2/20/2018 at 9:56 PM, xul said:

August1991 implied that Canadian boys joined army in ww2 just for some good reason like promoting democracy, freedom or righteousness.....they hadn't a drop of war enthusiast blood in their veins.

So I asked him what those French and English soldiers fought for in the Seven Years War?

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xul, the Seven Years War was largely fought between Prussia and Austria. It ended in 1763 with two treaties: the most important signed in Saxony, the other signed in Fontainebleau.  I have visited many of the battlefields of this war; as well as battlefields of the Great War, the Napoleonic Wars and World War II.

The Seven Years War is simply not comparable to WW II. The motivation of soldiers was entirely different.

BTW, Canadian soldiers did not not fight in Europe in the Seven Years War. But many fought in Europe during World War II. xul, have you ever wondered why?

[xul]

On 26/02/2018 at 11:48 PM, August1991 said:

This argument has always bothered me: Some 20 million Russians died in the war - far more than Americans or British.

Wait a second: Tolstoi wrote a long book about this "argument". His point? "Russia" did not defeat Napoleon. Individuals defeated an invasion.

Did Russia/Stalin defeat Nazi Germany? No, individual soldiers from Canada, Russia, France, the US did this.

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Xul, I recommend that you read Tolstoi's novel about Kutuzov. You can skip the chapter about the hunt.

Thank you for the recommendation.  I'll read it if I find the book.

I think a serious history book is quite different from a historical novel, even if the novel was written by Tolstoy.

If you read a novel, regardless it is a historical novel or a Sic-Fi,  usually you will find a "Dark Lord" or something like that in the book to play bad guy. Then you will find a hero, or a good side to fight this dark side. And you usually have 90% chance to have a "justice will prevail" ending to satisfy reader's psychological needs---This is the way the writers to sell their books.

But if you read some serious history books,  you will find that the historians used to be prudent to judge which side is good or evil because in the real world the causes of a war and the motives of people into a war are always complex.

If you compare the size and population of Axis countries to the size and population of Allies countries,  you could hardly conclude that the Allies's victory is because Allies had better soldiers.

If you put aside political correctness aka prejudice,  you have to admit that the individual soldiers of Axis were the better one in terms of combat technique or even on bravery and sprite,  because in most cases they had to fight the enemies which outnumbered and outgunned them. 

Edited March 5, 2018 by xul

[xul]

On 3/3/2018 at 4:54 AM, August1991 said:

xul, the Seven Years War was largely fought between Prussia and Austria. It ended in 1763 with two treaties: the most important signed in Saxony, the other signed in Fontainebleau.  I have visited many of the battlefields of this war; as well as battlefields of the Great War, the Napoleonic Wars and World War II.

The Seven Years War is simply not comparable to WW II. The motivation of soldiers was entirely different.

BTW, Canadian soldiers did not not fight in Europe in the Seven Years War. But many fought in Europe during World War II. xul, have you ever wondered why?

I think there wasn't any "Canadian soldier" in the Seven Years War unless you were referring aboriginal. In North America, English, French or Spanish soldiers fought for Britain, France or Spain respectively then.

Since there wasn't enough population in North America then, it was impossible to draw soldiers to reinforce Europe. Exactly both Britain and France had to send reinforcement to North America from Europe. After French navy was defeated by British Navy,  it was impossible for France to send reinforcement to its North American colony, then France lost its New France to Britain.

Edited March 5, 2018 by xul

[xul]

On 2/27/2018 at 8:02 AM, Michael Hardner said:

And in the past 50 years, people seem to have discovered that the pursuit of happiness included the right to choose to fight in some wars.  Even the Soviet Union had an "unpopular war" in Afghanistan.  

Still trying to figure out what this thread is about, though.  The idea seems to be that fierce nationalism is an asset, based on the fact that so many volunteered to help the axis countries.  Except that:

- The story ended with a well-known unhappy ending for Germany and Japan

- Both countries eventually roared back to lead world economies based on exporting and globalism

- The vestiges of xenophobia that remain are at odds with the outward-facing economic philosophy, and represent almost the only difficulties these countries face in management

If I might try to filter an interesting and scrutable question from this thread, it could be: whither globalism ?

"People" have never had and will never have the right to choose to fight in some wars until their asses are blasted and exerted with enough pain by their enemies. I'm afraid this is true human nature.

You kept asking me what was the meaning of the video. Now I can give you one:

In my video, at 2:40, did the people who cheered when President Trump announced America had sent fleet to defend Binomo aware that Putin would nuke their asses and end their happiness once and for all? Obviously they didn't. They just thought Putin would turn back before American naval forces since Russia had nothing to match it in the sea, so Americans would feel their nation great again like what they felt in Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962.

In most cases, people go into a war without knowing that they are going into a war, or what kind war they are going into. Its kinda like the video below----people think they have ordered snack but get a snake instead...

Did the lady choose the soup which she ordered at 1:28 in the video?

 

Edited March 8, 2018 by xul