Are Conspiracy Theorists 'Nuts"

[Michael Hardner]

44 minutes ago, Penderyn said:

The more interesting a story is, the more difficult to confirm.

That's because the really interesting ones are speculative or just made up.  How many times were you asked to murder your fellow citizens, for example ?

[Penderyn]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

That's because the really interesting ones are speculative or just made up.  How many times were you asked to murder your fellow citizens, for example ?

Not once - the interesting things were just what unreported things American and British forces had been getting up to for a long time before I was concerned - because airmen of different ages in this kind of work talk to one another - and after.

[Argus]

On 3/15/2018 at 3:50 PM, taxme said:

Norman Finklestein, Ernst Zundel,  IHR.org and so many others have proven that the 6 million is all a myth.

You are a waste of skin tissue and I'm putting you in my ignore file.

[Michael Hardner]

So the truth tellers are here, and have shown themselves.  Not really, they are liars and they defend their right to lie by lying more and claiming they are truth tellers.  Keep in mind that the only reason freedom of expression works that that liars and charlatans should see their fake news die on the vine.   So why aren't we doing more to kill these lies ?

[taxme]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

So the truth tellers are here, and have shown themselves.  Not really, they are liars and they defend their right to lie by lying more and claiming they are truth tellers.  Keep in mind that the only reason freedom of expression works that that liars and charlatans should see their fake news die on the vine.   So why aren't we doing more to kill these lies ?

It is so pathetic to see so many people who will only read and listen to one side of the story and refuse to read and listen to the other side of the story. I guess most of them think that being ignorant is somehow bliss. 

Donald Trump and the alternative media that I enjoy reading and listening to tell me that the MSM is all fake news and full of liars. The real "liars" of course are the ones that call other people "liars". So, why aren't people doing more to kill these fake and phony leftist liberal lies? 

[Michael Hardner]

14 hours ago, Argus said:

You are a waste of skin tissue and I'm putting you in my ignore file.

Why should one have to ?

"Freedom of speech" is permitted by law because we don't trust future governments to be fair in censoring speech.  Instead, we rely on "common sense" to weed out good ideas from bad.  Hence, the public is trusted to show holocaust deniers the door with other liars, hate-mongers, cranks, nutbars and conspiracy types. 

 

The design of the system is such that raving liars end up outdoors on street corners, ignored.  This is the true home of the "free speech" liar.

We should not have to accommodate FSLs and conspiracy maniacs in a private forum that is ostensibly designed to attract thoughtful discussion.  You need to decide what the point of having this space is, first and foremost, and then kick the liars out.  They poison the well

 

My analogy is: you could also have elevators posted with big "freedom to fart" signs everywhere.  It's a noble thought, but I would probably take the stairs.  Most would.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Why should one have to ?

"Freedom of speech" is permitted by law because we don't trust future governments to be fair in censoring speech.  Instead, we rely on "common sense" to weed out good ideas from bad.  Hence, the public is trusted to show holocaust deniers the door with other liars, hate-mongers, cranks, nutbars and conspiracy types. 

 

The design of the system is such that raving liars end up outdoors on street corners, ignored.  This is the true home of the "free speech" liar.

We should not have to accommodate FSLs and conspiracy maniacs in a private forum that is ostensibly designed to attract thoughtful discussion.  You need to decide what the point of having this space is, first and foremost, and then kick the liars out.  They poison the well

 

My analogy is: you could also have elevators posted with big "freedom to fart" signs everywhere.  It's a noble thought, but I would probably take the stairs.  Most would.

Or you could simply not allow anyone with gastric problems to use the elevator.  Same with anyone who hadn't washed recently, eaten a lot of garlic, overdid the aftershave that morning or used a lot of "bounce" in their last load of laundry.

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

We should not have to accommodate FSLs and conspiracy maniacs in a private forum that is ostensibly designed to attract thoughtful discussion.  You need to decide what the point of having this space is, first and foremost, and then kick the liars out.  They poison the well

That should be the job of moderators and owner of the forum, instead they prefer to make the well safe for morons.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

Or you could simply not allow anyone with gastric problems to use the elevator. 

My choice also.

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

My choice also.

Of course it is, but you might use bounce. 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

That should be the job of moderators and owner of the forum, instead they prefer to make the well safe for morons.

 

It's their forum, their prerogative.

Nobody is forced to visit this forum or read posts from "morons".

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

It's their forum, their prerogative.

Nobody is forced to visit this forum or read posts from "morons".

No one is very inspired to visit either...it is what it is I guess.

[bush_cheney2004]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No one is very inspired to visit either...it is what it is I guess.

 

The ones who think they are going to change the world by bitching, cursing, and insulting each other have already created their own playground at the "other" forum.

Reality doesn't care either way.

 

[BubberMiley]

On 2018-03-30 at 4:54 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

The ones who think they are going to change the world by bitching, cursing, and insulting each other have already created their own playground at the "other" forum.

Reality doesn't care either way.

 

The creation of that forum really hurt your feelings. You can always still debate with holocaust deniers here at least.

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

The creation of that forum really hurt your feelings. You can always still debate with holocaust deniers here at least.

Flat earthers too.  That debate has been raging since 500 BC and we STILL DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.  At least not one to convince the very thickest skulls.  Oh, and the liars.  

 

The implication being that "free speech" seems to compel some to think every time a crackpot posts that the earth is flat, or that Bush did 9/11 or that the Holocaust didn't happen we need to open our doors to them, dust off a podium and listen to their "thoughts"....

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Flat earthers too.  That debate has been raging since 500 BC and we STILL DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.  At least not one to convince the very thickest skulls.  Oh, and the liars.  

 

The implication being that "free speech" seems to compel some to think every time a crackpot posts that the earth is flat, or that Bush did 9/11 or that the Holocaust didn't happen we need to open our doors to them, dust off a podium and listen to their "thoughts"....

I don't. I just don't impose my will on those who might want to. 

[Argus]

On 4/1/2018 at 1:19 PM, bcsapper said:

I don't. I just don't impose my will on those who might want to. 

Sometimes, when dealing with vermin, it's necessary to impose your will.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

Sometimes, when dealing with vermin, it's necessary to impose your will.

Not if they just sound like vermin.

[Penderyn]

I think that what puts the stoppers on most conspiracy theories is that those supposed to be conspiring are, other than some of the Israelis, just too disorganised and too thick to be up to anything at all complicated.   Imagine Trump and his clever plans!   

[taxme]

On 3/30/2018 at 4:56 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Why should one have to ?

"Freedom of speech" is permitted by law because we don't trust future governments to be fair in censoring speech.  Instead, we rely on "common sense" to weed out good ideas from bad.  Hence, the public is trusted to show holocaust deniers the door with other liars, hate-mongers, cranks, nutbars and conspiracy types. 

 

The design of the system is such that raving liars end up outdoors on street corners, ignored.  This is the true home of the "free speech" liar.

We should not have to accommodate FSLs and conspiracy maniacs in a private forum that is ostensibly designed to attract thoughtful discussion.  You need to decide what the point of having this space is, first and foremost, and then kick the liars out.  They poison the well

 

My analogy is: you could also have elevators posted with big "freedom to fart" signs everywhere.  It's a noble thought, but I would probably take the stairs.  Most would.

Other people's opinions and points of view that you do not like or want to hear would never be allowed if you had your way, right. Only your version of freedom of speech opinions and points of view will be allowed on this website, right? Everyone has the right to question any historical event that has happened. It does not make them conspiracy nut cases. When there are people who want to call these other people liars than what do these people who like to call other people liars have to hide? And believe me there is plenty of groups and people that want to keep some historical events as taboo and sacred cows that must never be discussed or debated. Your problem is that you refuse to listen to what the other side has to say. If you wish to remain ignorant well that is your business but don't go and try to tell people like me that I have no right to read and get the other side of the story and that if I do and question it here well somehow I am a conspiracy nut case. I use to be called a liar by some other member all the time on another forum website by an ignorant and intolerant fool. I wonder if this guy is you? Onwar come to mind? I hope it is because I now know who I am dealing with. 

The point here is that when someone or some group feels that some past historical event needs to be explained and researched further then what is the problem? They are only questioning the event as to whether the story told is really true or not. But to you they somehow are a bunch of conspiracy nut balls for doing so. When people like you who think like that than what is the point of having a discussion forum like this one. This is a website for discussion and debate and if you have a problem with that then the question that needs to be asked here is what are you doing here? It is alright to disagree with someone but you do not have to call them liars. How do we know that you are not the liar here?

My opinion and I approve this reply. 

[taxme]

On 4/1/2018 at 8:13 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Flat earthers too.  That debate has been raging since 500 BC and we STILL DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.  At least not one to convince the very thickest skulls.  Oh, and the liars.  

 

The implication being that "free speech" seems to compel some to think every time a crackpot posts that the earth is flat, or that Bush did 9/11 or that the Holocaust didn't happen we need to open our doors to them, dust off a podium and listen to their "thoughts"....

Ya, and that is what is called freedom of speech. The right to question and challenge any and everything whether people like you like it or not. You do not have to agree with them but give them their right to say anything without being called liars. In my opinion those who call others liars have been really brainwashed by the elite establishment gang of professional liars. If you don't like what others have to say that offends your feelings than ignore them and stop calling them liars. 

[taxme]

On 3/30/2018 at 2:54 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

The ones who think they are going to change the world by bitching, cursing, and insulting each other have already created their own playground at the "other" forum.

Reality doesn't care either way.

 

Yup, that gang over there has not changed at all. They are still a bunch of leftists liberal crybaby losers who want everything their own way just like here. I don't like what this person has to say so I want them banned. And sadly most times it works for them and get their way. They do not know how to debate properly and when they cannot win they resort to calling people liars and a waste of skin. This is why freedom of speech is under attack every day in this country and these people seem to be in favor of trying to make freedom of speech a crime against humanity. And these same people like to consider themselves patriots. What a laugh.